You have a right to make complaint, by all means. Like Johnsky said, don't let differing opinions get to you. I don't (at least I don't think anyway).

Alot of ATS is hardcore debating and this is good, both opinions and fact come out from that.

You can say the US has missles pointed at China and I won't argue that point, as it is most likely true. A new Cold War is upon is, and this is obvious. Both countries are building massive weapons, and this isn't good.

Thanks John, I agree. The only people that are gonna save this world are the ones who are not in government. It is our leaders who cause the problems.

I think citizens of both countries should be worried as both are building up massively for a showdown.

The US has alot of pride in having been the world's lone SuperPower and China is a proud nation with SuperPower aspirations.

The struggle to "own' the global economy by either country is what may set off WWIII.

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Where is the "Anonymous" post in your image and the one you referred to earlier? It must have been pulled.

InChinSan, that is what i'm talking about. Your indirect barbs at the US as being "Imperialist". You try to be slick about and that's not a bad thing, just funny how you do it is all.

I'm a bit more direct. You have alot of American citizens angry with our government for creating a dependency on China through the huge trade deficit in China's favor. Alot anger is at the government for being naive with regard to China, thinking China would cave to Capitalism, which is clearly not happening. The US just built another Communist Juggarnaut. Again, my opinion also.

Just as you view the US as Imperialist, many in the US view China as the same. Hence, the struggle for NWO.



[edit on 22-5-2008 by jetxnet]

I'm not getting at you here, but the people of Taiwan do have a very real fear of invasion from China.

I have a personal friend who is over here in Canada from Taiwan. His father is under scrutiny by the authorities for his son not returning (but that's another story.)

I've consoled him on numerous occasions, on his fears of what China may do to reclaim control over Taiwan.


On the other hand, Taiwan is making some rather stupid moves towards their separation. They seem to be taunting China. With no superpowers to back them up, this is pretty ludicrous.

I don't expect China will make any rash decisions with regards to what to do about Taiwan. But if push came to shove, and China needed the extra man-power in the event of a war, they wouldn't hesitate to re-claim Taiwan to gain the extra manpower.


Here in North America, we Canadians have a pretty real fear of what the US might do if they ran low on resources. At the moment, we provide the US with the majority of their necessary resources. Heck, we even power much of their country with our nuclear reactors by selling electricity to them.
In the event that the US became too poor to purchase our resources, and had a desperate need for them, we fear they may decide to simply annex us.

Problem with that is, most Canadians are here for the rights and freedoms. A US annex against us would directly conflict with that, and there would be a civil uprising against any US occupiers.

Granted, this could only happen if the US economy collapses... but with the US economy struggling more and more each day... this fear is starting become more and more real.



These fears aren't just in your country, they're worldwide, with regards to many nations.
I'm sure the Cubans also have a very real fear of the US at the moment as well.

Estonia has a very real and present fear of Russia, and what they may do to them for joining NATO instead of the Russian Federation.
(Rightly so, Russia has recently been attempting to crash certain communication systems in Estonia through use of cyber warfare...
I was involved with building the equipment Estonia uses in their new counter cyber-intelligence center. Not really advanced, but I can claim pride in being involved.)

So you see, these fears of what the superpowers might do aren't just in China. People all over the world are afraid of China, the US, Russia, and many other countries.

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This is true, and both SuperPowers are going to go after Oil resources in the ME and Africa. The proxy wars have already long since started, what's after that? I'm afraid to think about it.

never seen any posts made these many mistakes and have to apologize many times for every mistaks made,that shows how important to say things before you make sure you know what you are going to talk about ,not just talk out of the back of your head.

Okay, just a side note, I just saw the link to the thread, and it claimed the last poster was Anonymous. But the last poster was haidan.

I'm thinking this whole anonymous poster thing might be a glitch, and not someones intentional misguidance.

I saw that and was wondering the same. The only thing it would do is elevate the thread. Someone thought there may be an "Anonymous" bot that keyed on certain threads with a virtual no-post. Hard to say.

[edit on 22-5-2008 by jetxnet]

what comes around goes around,what american government did also angered 1.3billion chinese people,dont be self centered and only see things through your own perspetive.by playing up this animosity will do nobody any good.we should have an eye in the future and try to dispel the distrust between these two great countris and their peoples.

Johnsky, that was in the era of the corrupted Chen Suibian, and to the not so bright agressive policies of Jiang Zemin. However, the latter one, much less to blame because eventually the independence cry of Chen Suibian is the most important reason of widening the gap.
With the new Taiwanese president Ma, Taiwan has at least a new clear-minded down-to-Earth leader. No outcry promises, but it is like 180 degree change in the policies towards the two-straits relations. The new Vice President will come to Beijing soon, and we will see even further signs for a long time of peaceful time between the two straits.
As for a sudden calamity and we need extra manpower. We have to put it in perspective. Taiwan is only like 25 million people, mainland China has over 1,400 millions. So I don't agree so much in the extra manpower, maybe extra technology, scientists and talents, that is what would be needed. But I believe these will only be really useful if they fight with their heart.

As for the fear of the US, I have been travelling to most of the countries in Europe (Eastern ones), Russia, Middle-East, North Africa and America. So I know what you mean. For the ordinary people like you and me, it is simple, we just want peace, have a good life. Unfortunately we are dealing with many power hungry people put on dangerous positions....

It's good that things are starting to cool off between China and Taiwan.

Maybe they wouldn't need the manpower... but Taiwan is one heck of a staging point if a war called for the need of a base with easy sea access.

Either way, this is all speculation. Lets hope it never comes to fruition.



Now, as for this "anonymous ATS" listing... we need to figure this out. It's already caused you two to spar earlier.

If you look at the account, "anonymous ATS" there are NO listings of anything written by that account... and yet, this very thread stated him as a poster... at least momentarily.

Let's hope it doesn't, but does look like it is going to happen. China wants Taiwan for the most important trading Sea Lanes in the world between the West and the East. Having control of it means you can inspect foreign cargo but they can't inspect yours. China already has secured both ends of the Panama Canal and can trasport missles to Cuba undetected.

The country that controls the world's Sea Lanes is the one in control of everything in a global persepctive. It is key to NWO.

Not too mention, access to Taiwan gives China a huge economic and military boost. Also, many high-tech US devices are in Taiwan's "Spook Mountain", another gift the Chinese would get.

Also, I was watching the video on the other page. How would HAARP cause an Earthquake? I'm still watching it and may find the answer but haven't yet.



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