5 reasons I will never vote for Obama....., page 2

reply to post by JessicaS

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The way I feel about it, I'd rather have four more years of the same, than a inexperienced radical indecisive baby killer as president

Really?

So let's see here...abortion....you obviously don't agree with it, but are his views on it really more important that this entire nation?

And experience...I don't really want to get into this because I have so many other times, but let's just say...it's overrated.

Now, you would rather have 4 more years of this nation collapsing, taking away our rights, people dying, a failing economy, etc. etc. etc. than someone who is pro-choice?

You, sister, have got your priorities backwards.

I'm going to recommend you see the movie Cider House Rules, as this movie does an excellent job of explaining why abortion needs to be legal. Morality is a different subject.

Bigbert and BH,

First off, I want to say, I never said I was against abortion (dilatation and suction curettage procedure), I'm against partial birth abortion (dilatation and extraction procedure). Do you guys understand what that procedure is? It's where labor is induced, and the baby's head is partially delivered, jabbed in the back of the head with some scissors and the brains are sucked out. Then the rest of the body is pulled out and discarded. This procedure is done after 20 weeks gestation and can be done up until the baby is completely delivered. So, if you had a child at 40 week gestation (which is completed term pregnancy) and you suddenly decide you don't want it anymore you can elect to have this procedure done. WTH!!!! I'm sorry, but i'm of the mindset that you have more than enough time in the first 1/2 of the pregnancy to terminate... Why resort to this?

The Babies Born Alive Act to me doesn't change the woman's right to have an abortion, even the barbaric partial birth abortion, just give a child who had been brought into this world as alive the chance to live with what they have left. IF this type of abortion is botched it doesn't mean the mother is still pregnant, it's a case that the child was delivered alive. She can elect not to take care of it, and it could be a ward of the state, for as long as they can keep it alive. That is what the act was about.

Now that being said, lets say I'm pregnant with a 24 week gestation and I want to keep the baby.... (which btw, I'm Not Pregnant, i'm using this as an example) I go into premature labor, and despite all the medical attention I receive.... I end up delivering at 25 weeks. The medical staff is bound by law to do everything they can to keep that baby alive. If they don't, it's considered negligence and I could sue the doctors and the hospital for the death of my baby. It's called a baby at this point and not a fetus why? because it made it outside of my body and is living on it's own.

If i were the same amount of time pregnant, and shot in the stomach which resorted to the death of my fetus, they can charge the shooter with murder. (see query.nytimes.com...)
What makes this different than a partial birth abortion? What is the difference in both scenarios? Well the fetus/baby was wanted in both cases.

Anyone who is willing to let a born child just sit and slowly die on a shelf is just sick. Seriously, sick.

I have seen Cider House Rules, and they weren't addressing partial birth abortions, please think that over. They were dilatation and suction curettage abortions. If memory serves me, none of the abortions they talked about in that movie did they do after 20 weeks. If i'm wrong, let me know.

And for the record, if you read the article I posted, or the other posts on this thread, he didn't even VOTE for. That's right, he spoke so convincingly on this, but refused to vote for or against it! This is on the list of presents... which I will get for this thread later in this post.

Now on to the other things that bothered me....

His Race -- Now, what bugs me is how he presents himself. I've seen him several times act like he's some brother from the hood, when he's from a well off family in Hawaii, bothers me. It bugs me that he asked for so much not to be talked about. To quote Rush Limbaugh (ugh, not that I care for that man or anything, but he can hit nails on the head sometimes....)

We can't talk about his ears, it makes him nervous...

We can't talk about his mother...

We can't talk about his father...

We can't talk about his grandmother unless he does, brings her up as a "typical white person."

We can't talk about his wife...

We can't talk about his preacher...

We can't talk about his terrorist friends...

We can't talk about his voting record...

We can't talk about his religion...

We can't talk about appeasement...

We can't talk about color; we can't talk about lack of color...

We can't talk about race...

We can't talk about bombers and mobsters who are his friends...

We can't talk about schooling...

We can't talk about his name, "Hussein."

We can't talk about his lack of experience...

We can't talk about his income...

We can't talk about his flag pin...

We can't say anything negative about him at all. Why, cause of the reaction you guys have given. "Why does it bother you that he calls himself black?" cause he isn't.... He's of similar heritage of my cousins who are also mixed, and would be offended if you called them black or white. They prefer the term Mulatto (which i can't spell) or mixed (which i can spell). If anything they prefer the term American. Why can't that just be it?

Where is the money comming from -- Do you honestly think that taxes for the rich will get passed in a congress of rich men? Do you honestly think that those rich wouldn't hire lawyers and accountants to hide their wealth to keep it from being taxed? Come on, it's well known that those with money always get more. Why? Because they can afford to use there resources to avoid it. Call me cynical but I doubt funds from this silly war will be diverted so quickly. If anything they will keep the funds in the military claiming that if they pull it, the families of service men will suffer....

Oh wait, Obama promised the families more benefits and that there shouldn't be an veterans with out work and begging. Another promise.... Yeah... right.


The present vote -- all in all, he's voted present a total of 129 times (see www.boston.com...), and here are some of the issues in this article www.realclearpolitics.com...

Come on, for someone who claims he can bring change to this country, why would he stand this way on so many different topics.

It's cause of this, I don't want him in office. Call me a biggot if it makes you feel better, but why are you voting for him? Cause you think Hilary is not right for the job, or cause your sexist? It goes both ways my friends....


edit cause i used the wrong name.... ooops

[edit on 5/23/2008 by JessicaS]

reply to post by Scramjet76

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I think a present vote could mean that he agrees with the meat of the bill but you disgaree with various pork and other details.

The bills they vote on in congress are junk. With one special interest piled upon another. Every politician should be booted out of office for ever voting for one of those bills.

Bottom line I believe that Obama stands the best chance at actually pushing through some significant change. Hillary and MCain represent the establishment that have been destroying america for several decades.

Edited for spelling, etc.

[edit on 23-5-2008 by disgustedbyhumanity]

reply to post by JessicaS

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I'm sorry, but my first post still stands.

I'm not here to argue the morality of abortions or late term abortions, so please refer to my first post.

Same with your opinion of what color he acts like.

These are minimal things to a country falling to it's knees, as it is doing so under GWB, and McCain, with his voting record, is the same.

Read my last post again.

reply to post by JessicaS

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Anyone who takes that pill popping hypocrite Rush Limbaugh seriously has lost some credibility in the political department with me.

Rush does not tell me who I can or cannot talk about. I have heard ALL of those things debated and talked about nearly daily for months now.

reply to post by JessicaS

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So? Why make a thread about it? Seems more like a Top five list for a blog or something... but anyway...

1. Hillary Clinton is 61, almost 62. John McCain is 72 almost 73. Ever watch the "Price is Right?" Its the closest without going over. Hillary might be 'young' enough to lead, but personally, I remember Reagan's 2nd term, and he was too old. McCain himself admitted in 2000 that he would be too old in 2008.

Almost exactly 55 years of age (about a month more, and assuming you consider the first taking of office for those who held several). The oldest was Reagan (70) and the youngest Teddy Roosevelt (43). Bill Clinton was 47

www.funtrivia.com...

2. "Tenancies?" Do you mean, Tendencies, or maybe even Tenacity? "Tenancies" has to do with occupying land, I doubt you mean that he is 'leasing' and occupying racism, right? I can understand the 'use' of Tendencies, but I disagree with your opinion whole heartedly. And I am in direct support of Barack Obama's Tenacity when it comes to issues of race. Maybe you were being creative, and trying to convey all three words together, into some sort of super word that acts as a magic talisman come election time. All definitions taken from: www.merriam-webster.com...

tenancy
Main Entry:
ten·an·cy
Pronunciation:
\ˈte-nən(t)-sē\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural ten·an·cies
Date:
1590
1: a holding of an estate or a mode of holding an estate; specifically : the temporary possession or occupancy of something (as a house) that belongs to another
2: the period of a tenant's occupancy or possession

tendency
Main Entry:
ten·den·cy
Pronunciation:
\ˈten-dən(t)-sē\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural ten·den·cies
Etymology:
Medieval Latin tendentia, from Latin tendent-, tendens, present participle of tendere
Date:
1628
1 a: direction or approach toward a place, object, effect, or limit b: a proneness to a particular kind of thought or action
2 a: the purposeful trend of something written or said : aim b: deliberate but indirect advocacy

tenacious
Main Entry:
te·na·cious
Pronunciation:
\tə-ˈnā-shəs\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Latin tenac-, tenax tending to hold fast, from tenēre to hold
Date:
1607
1 a: not easily pulled apart : cohesive b: tending to adhere or cling especially to another substance
2 a: persistent in maintaining, adhering to, or seeking something valued or desired b: retentive

3.

His Promises -- He's promised everything to everyone, from financial relief and gas cost relief, to health care, to peace. How the heck can he deliver to everyone? Where is the money going to come from? Taxing the rich? How do you think that will go over?

It's the rich who run this country... they donate money to political campaigns. Even if Obama didn't take any support from any interest groups, or any of the rich, they have ways to keep their money in their hands. It's how they stay rich and how they got rich. So that cuts off that funding source.

Please provide links to examples of promises he has made regarding 'everything to everyone', I am not sure where to start with such a vague premise. Are you implying that the rich will kill him? Because your claim that his promises are based on money from 'the rich' is ridiculous. Maybe if we weren't spending 12 Billion Dollars a month in Iraq, maybe the 'Rich' could keep their money in their hands.
Please provide documentation of promises you so called promise to everyone aabout everything.

4. You are welcome to your choices as to what constitutes 'attitude' toward life. But perhaps you have never thought about from another perspective than the dogmas you were raised with. In some cultures, killing 100,000+ in order to secure a cheaper wholesale cost on a fuel commodity is worse than the medical procedures to stop the pregnancy of fetuses who would not survive on their own in the outside world. But to each you own. You have the right to not Vote for Obama for whatever reasons you choose, and you even have the right to make a op-ed list of reasons, even if those reasons are mostly falsehoods and dogma wrapped up into a big mess together, but presented on a conspiracy website for some reason. But you have the right to vote for whomever you choose, I just hope you don't get too upset when your candidate loses.

5. Have you actually looked at his voting record? Have you seen what he has voted yes, or no on through out his career? I guarantee that you have not looked as deeply into this talking point as you claim, because if you did, you would find that Obama has a much 'cleaner' record in regard to the rights of U.S. Citizens, and especially its soldiers. Neither Clinton or McCain has a leg to stand on in regard to the amount of good legislation voted on and drafted in compared to the amount of lobby kickbacks and pork added for their constituents.

Most of all I just wanted to say that I personally believe that lists and arguments like this are futile. Obama, with his fresh face, CFR connections, and especially his bloodlines, will be the next president of the United States. That is unless Hillary looking into her crystal ball today was correct, and Obama will be assed out in June by Zimbabwe Sniper fire or whatever it is that she said. That is also God willing, that McCain does not just die any day from natural causes and old age... We all Remember that Reagan died in California in June, I just dont understand it....

DocMoreau


Hillary's Crystal Ball

reply to post by JessicaS

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1. 100 % of the Presidents have been male. Do you insist on a male president, too?
Age is tied closely to experience, yes. But not to wisdom or intelligence.
Experience is worth nothing if you don't learn from it.

2. And yet, I bet you one million dollars that the first thing you notice about him is not his age, or his way of speaking, but the colour of his skin.

3. If you're clever enough to figure it out, campaign for president yourself.
As you are not, consider what the other candidates promise - or DON'T promise.

5. Do you think he's suddenly gonna jump it ont he people, call a press conference one day and say, "guess what, I've been a Muslim all the time!"

Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
reply to post by Scramjet76

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I think a present vote could mean that he agrees with the meat of the bill but you disgaree with various pork and other details.

Yes, that's exactly why a senator or congressperson would vote "present." Congress has a way of attaching all sorts of riders and amendments to otherwise worthwhile bills, riders that have nothing to do with the original bills. It's their way of sneaking pork or very unpopular bills in with the good ones. A senator might not want to vote "nay" on the meat of the bill, but is unable to give it an unqualified "yea" either. Obama explains this in his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

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