Burma: We'd rather let people die than allow U.S. aid, page 5
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reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 04:40 AM by masqua
reply to post by wutone


I watched that on the news last night. A hopeful sign indeed.

As long as it isn't just the words of appeasement stated primarily for an international press 'photo op'. No doubt they are feeling the heat of a global disgust on their isolationism.

The next couple of days will tell us the truth.


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 04:58 AM by Rubyteacup
I agree with most people on this thread who have said that it is not the citizens of Burma who haven't wanted the aid, but rather their government. To say that there are strings attached is the government bashing the U.S. who has given plenty of aid to other countries without wanting anything in return.

It was the U.S. who taught Iraq how to develop oil refineries etc. and then the U.S. was thrown aside. I really do not believe that the U.S. is looking for world domination. Rather, other countries from the time I was an adolescent in the 1960s have been bringing the U.S. into their business. In my opinion, some countries ask for our help because they hope that it will weaken America.

americanthinker.com...

Article from the website www.americanthinker.com Issue date 5/18/08 and titled "The Legacy of Islamic Anti-Semitism: A Review Essay by author Robert Kaplan.

Excerpt:


The post-World II alliance of "Europe" and Arab Moslems is known as "Eurabia." Promoting it has been one of the main activities of the European Union and its leading members. As in the past the Europe-Arab alliance is seen by its "European" promoters as a means of attacking the world's leading naval/commercial power which now happens to be the United States. An important weapon in this attack is propaganda promoting hatred of Israel and the United States. Such propaganda is directed from within the foreign ministries of the European states and distributed through media which are still mainly national. An innovation of recent times is that the European Union itself, operating through a broad range of well-funded of educational, academic, cultural and political projects, is a major promoter of anti-American and anti-Israeli propaganda.


The full article has given me insight into what other countries were trying to do in the past.

In my opinion, most Arab leaders do not want peace. They do not like Israel and I believe it stems from religion based on Ishmael being the first son of Abraham and entitled to all as the first son. And it continues to be carried on to the present.

America is not perfert by any means. However, progress has been steadily maintained since the signing of the Declaration of Independence. We still have homelessness and poverty, large unemployment, etc.,. but no matter what, we are trying to solve our own problems.

Again, in my opinion, other countries have been trying to weaken the US in various ways, The Arab nations behind the scenes keep placing us in a position of not being able to leave. I do believe Osama Bin Laden (who I believe is dead) was responsible for the 9/11 attack at the WTC. There is no nation in the world who would not have responded as the U.S. did under such circumstanes (unless they did not have the means to do so). This does not mean that I think we should still be their. I don't believe in winning at all costs because everybody loses and there never really is any winning.

A member posted about the United Nations and that was one of my thoughts because they should have paved the way for countries to enter the air space and give needed relef efforts to the people of Burma. I saw the last post which stated the U.N. has acted. My complaint is why the U.N. did not respond immediately by contacting Burma's goverment leaders and then inform the various countries that they could bring in any relief for the Burmese people. The United Nations must act responsibly so that all nations can maintain their dignity and honor whether that be Burma, UK, U.S., etc.

In the last 20 years, I have in my own mind questioned whether the United Nations wants its own control over various nations rather than being peacemakers and problem solvers for the problems between one nation against another nation.

Just adding my long 2 cents worth and I think ATS members have brought up some very real issues that need to be resolved!!!


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 05:58 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by bodrul
where is the US and its army to liberate the people of burma?

Damned if we do .... damned if we don't.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
Why can't we the western world just tell the Junta to go screw themselves and air drop relief supplies all over the country?



Originally posted by devilwasp
What is the security council , the G8 and the rest of the modern world going to do about this blatant abuse of human rights.

Probably the same thing that they do with China and their human rights abuses. - not much.


I don't get it. People whine and scream when America steps up to the plate and liberates people from a murderous cruel dictator ... but then when America takes a step back and says 'okay, someone else do it' then they whine and scream that America isn't doing enough.

Unfreak'n believable.

Originally posted by jpm1602
I want to know where the hell is the UN?

They are too busy sitting in their corrupt cesspool in New York thinking up what they can do to screw America next. Their latest anti-American waste of time and money - a delegation sent into America to check up on our human-rights abuses via racism.

Nevermind the hundreds of thousands starving and about to die of disease in Burma. (makes me sick)

Originally posted by Beefcake
Don't give money because like the tsunami the people will not see any of it

Very true. Burma would be no different. THey already did something like that with airlifted food. The gov't took the food and repackaged it with pictures of their own generals and distributed it to those they thought deserved it. The people thought it came from their own corrupt generals. And it only got to 'certain' people.


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 07:27 AM by masqua
The UN response;

An initial report in USAToday;

A massive international aid effort was being kept on hold by Burma's military rulers. Internal U.N. documents obtained by the Associated Press showed growing frustrations at foot-dragging by the junta, which has kept the impoverished nation isolated for five decades to maintain its iron-fisted control.

www.usatoday.com...


The days after the cyclone;

On May 5, U.S. Chargé d'Affaires Shari Villarosa declared a disaster in Burma due to the effects of Cyclone Nargis. In response, USAID/OFDA is providing $250,000 to the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF), the U.N. World Food Program (WFP), and the Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) for emergency food, water and sanitation, and shelter assistance.

www.reliefweb.int...


5 days after the cyclone;

"We're outraged by the slowness of the response of the government of Burma (Myanmar) to welcome and accept assistance," U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, told reporters.

www.alertnet.org...


10 days after the cyclone;

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has expressed his "immense frustration" at Burma's slow response to the cyclone that hit the country 10 days ago.

Mr Ban said aid had been able to reach less than a third of all those at risk.

He said he had still not been able to speak to the leader of Burma's military government, General Than Shwe.

news.bbc.co.uk...


Pointing fingers at the UN for a 'slow response' is not right. Pointing fingers at the isolationism which the military junta is guilty of IS.



[edit on 23/5/08 by masqua]


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 10:25 AM by FunnyGirl101
Originally posted by wutone
reply to post by ChuckAnderson


So what do you want to do, declare war?

You think less people will die?

And whats with this pick and choose war targets? Guess who will have to contribute the most and pay the most for the war? Guess whose troops will die?

If something needs to be done, why don't I see any action from any country? Are they waiting for the U.S.? The number one imperialist? The country run by war-mongers? The military that kills civilians?

Myanmar is not setting up concentration camps, they are not invading anyone, and they are not building nukes, they just don't trust anyone.

Unless its ok to invade because their are people starving. Do you realize that that can be a convenient precedent to invade other countries with starving civilians and lots of oil?





No ! I didn't mean show up on their shores with guns or to start war ! , but with Food, Water-Purifying machines / tablets, clothing, tarps, tents, medical supplies!


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 02:52 PM by devilwasp
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Probably the same thing that they do with China and their human rights abuses. - not much.

Exactly....bit sad that we can afford to spend so much money on government wages and parties yet we cant spend a few pounds on sending aid to Burma..


I don't get it. People whine and scream when America steps up to the plate and liberates people from a murderous cruel dictator ... but then when America takes a step back and says 'okay, someone else do it' then they whine and scream that America isn't doing enough.
Thats what you get when you play world policeman, or say enter a country illegally and not plan on how to get out..

Unfreak'n believable.


They are too busy sitting in their corrupt cesspool in New York thinking up what they can do to screw America next. Their latest anti-American waste of time and money - a delegation sent into America to check up on our human-rights abuses via racism.

Painting it with a nice large brush are you not? I mean not all of the UN is against America and not all are currupt but heh you've got your agenda to push why should I argue a point you'll ignore.

Personally I would prefer a delegation be sent to a certain island off the US coastline with lots of naval ships berthed near it....


Nevermind the hundreds of thousands starving and about to die of disease in Burma. (makes me sick)

Yes because the UN is not complaining about it......


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 04:07 PM by Anonymous ATS
i cant believe some of your replies to this post. this is a conspiracy/alternative truth related website and some of you seem to have your heads in the sand on this one.

your government is using technology, that all of you who come to this website should know about already, loosly termed HAARP. Katrina was a fabricated hurricane, bandah aceh, fabricated, myanmar hurricane fabricated, china earthquake, fabricated. Caused by those in power using technology most of you , apparently, would laugh at.

some of you are saying the leaders of myanmar should be shot and hanged and what not... WHY? your government made the hurricane in the first place. ive been following world events alot in the past years. I have noticed, over time that this NWO thing is in full sprint to the finish line. countries who do not want to be part of the UN, or who do not want to be allies with america, or do not want to in debt themselves to the world banking cartels like brazil and america,....some how their leaders get assasinated, thier governments get overthrown by cia operations IE el salvador, and now theyre getting so desperate that theyre using scalar HAARP tesla technology to manipulate the weather. New Orleans was their final test to make it operational. now thier #ing going off with it. and its all going to fall nicely in line with the bible. You all out thier should watch RING OF POWER on google video. read the article in natgeo may 06 about myanmar. you can predict this stuff if you know what to look for.

i think alot of you people who post here are behind the curve here. yeah there are alot of bad people on this earth, and maybe the myanmar government is messed up, but they pale in comparision to the murderous 9-11 commiting politicians and traitorous elements running america. if myanmar gives consent to US or UN aid, they will also, give consent to treaties and things of that nature, politics, that will bind thier country forever into this nwo matrix.

there are people in this world who know this, and then there are people like alot of you who think on a basic simplistic level...hurricane, people in need, give them food. IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT ON PLANET EARTH!!!!

if you want to see it how you SHOULD see it.......its like this

its the hegellian principle ALL OVER again.

create a problem ... hurricane

give a solution ... US/UN aid

end result.... myanmar giving up thier sovereignty from the united nations one world agenda.

HEGELLIAN PRINCIPLE...........its not just some phrase you read about.... it has been used and continues to be used as THE quintesential tactic for seizing power, and control of large masses of people. control of their minds, their bodies, their countries, their food supplies, their financial systems, their entertainment industries, their everything. it works, almost too good, and it only works because people are not educated about how it works.

when bob marley talks about brainwash education, its not just some fancy lyrics put together, its for real. if you were educated from birth on how small groups of crooked humans seize control of unbelieveble amounts of power and wealth, then after everyone knew about it, it would stop happening.
education is power. its a threat to the system. which is why the education system is controlled as well.

YOUR GOVERNMENT IS BEHIND THESE HURRICANES AND EARTHQUAKES.


laugh if you want, you wont be laughing when we have a one world government of socialism and control. no civil liberties, no identity, just a chip in your wrist (like in casino royale) to identify you. you will be the beast. we all will, unless people start realizing that what your government has in its arsenal is so far beyond what you know, that its scary.


whats scary to me, is that on above top secret .com, people are posting stuff like, the myanmar government officials should be hanged and shot.

NOOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

conspiracy noobs.


I guess every website needs a bunch of newbs huh??


reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 06:40 PM by D/amigO
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by bodrul


Originally posted by bodrul

where is the US and its army to liberate the people of burma?
if the Iraqi people needed liberating these people seem to need it even more.


Where is Great Britain and it's army? I suggest you concentrate on what you and your country can do, instead of attacking the US.

Or better yet, address the situation in Burma, where the corrupt regime is the reason the people are suffering.



What makes you think any British solider wants to go back to Burma after WW2


reply posted on 24-5-2008 @ 03:48 PM by zarzar
Originally posted by D/amigO
Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by bodrul


Originally posted by bodrul

where is the US and its army to liberate the people of burma?
if the Iraqi people needed liberating these people seem to need it even more.


Where is Great Britain and it's army? I suggest you concentrate on what you and your country can do, instead of attacking the US.

Or better yet, address the situation in Burma, where the corrupt regime is the reason the people are suffering.


What makes you think any British solider wants to go back to Burma after WW2


A little off topic, but that reminds me of the latest Rambo movie in which he blew up the British WW2 bomb in Burma. Quite a scene.

I would recommend that movie to everyone, since it expresses the brutality of the Junta in a very realistic way. Except for the few scenes where Rambo was dealing with the bad guys, I had the feeling that I am watching a documentary.


reply posted on 26-5-2008 @ 07:13 AM by zarzar
Originally posted by TKainZero

Contrast this with the siuation in China, where CHina has opened them selves up to the West... it shows, at least to me, that China IS making an effort to bring itsself into the modern world, its a small step, but we need it...


I have read the opposite: The Chinese government did not allow foreign hi-tech professional rescue support in the recent earthquake during the critical first days.

Why Does the Chinese Regime Refuse International Rescue Teams



Many countries such as Japan, the United States, Great Britain, and Germany had offered both rescue teams and relief immediately after the quake; however their good intentions were turned down immediately. The Chinese ambassador to Japan, Cui Tiankai, responded to the repeated requests from his Japanese counterpart, "The rescue has yet to be discussed between the two governments." according to the Japanese Mainichi Shimbun (Daily News) report.

One day after the quake, Luo Pingfei, China's vice Minister of Civil Affairs, said because of bad traffic and terrible weather conditions, it was not appropriate to accept foreign rescue teams."

Former associate Professor of Nanjing Normal University, Guo Quan commented that it is unwise and inhuman for the authorities to refuse foreign rescue teams. It is a common understanding that within the first 72 hours after an earthquake is the prime rescue period. The victims will be hard pressed to survive after 72 hours because of blood loss, pain, hunger and thirst.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


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