Originally posted by rocksarerocks
No it isn't. This is very very simple. There are 2 billion reasons why Aliens do not exist. If they did, there would already be concrete proof of it. Too many people have video cameras now for there not to be solid, concrete proof.

There are no aliens, there are no spaceships, and if you can prove me wrong I'll retract my statement and apologize.

You cannot.

Foolish statements.

Originally posted by antar
I realize that I am simply your cyber forum member but listen to what I say...

I Have seen E.T. Live, in person up close and personal...

There now, believe it or not.

We are not talking dream state, we are not talking meditation or fantasy.

It is no longer a point of what if, it is.

I can tell the difference between our back engineered technology (awesome) and theirs.

Nothing I repeat nothing will change after full disclosure for me.

It will be nice to see people that have not experienced yet continued to keep an open mind and yet not fall prey to the B.S. out there by some find validation.

Could you elaborate more please?

Originally posted by _Del_
I suspect we share an uncommon view about the nature of the phenomena. It's always nice to know that I'm not the only one thinking this way. See? Even skeptics are subject to our flights of fancy...

Well, I dunno if I can call myself a skeptic...I guess thats ok. I just don't know of any skeptics who've has encounters most of their lives.

I'm just very critical because it's impacted me.

And for the record, I don't see our thinking as a flight of fancy...it's against the grain of what UFOlogy has built up, and contrary to assumptions of extraterrestrials. (Although, they may be extraterrestrial...but the ETH so far is not panning out.)

I don't see any easy answer (the one most people want), as the subject is itself highly complex. In certain cases it manifests as physical reality, and other times, it doesn't. Almost as if the enigma has an option to be either. Maybe our perception of it has something to do with that.

It doesn't matter how you cut it, no one is going to find any answers as long as they confine their search to UFOlogy.

[edit on 21-5-2008 by jritzmann]

Good point you got there...flagged

Originally posted by _Del_
I'm skeptical in that I think more than half of the claims out there are bogus.

Oh. Ok then, we're largely on the same page.

Some are misidentification's as well, with no real malice or "goose chasing" intended. Unfortunately, the bogus claims you mention are bolstered by UFO celebs with no real intent other then seeing what kind of money they can collect. Nothing wrong with getting paid for your time, provided you do solid work and peer reviewed.

let me take this conversation a different direction for a moment. the government doesnt just use television as a means of propaganda/conditioning/psyOP, they also use the big screen now look at what some of the latest movies to come out have been about. war of the worlds, independence day, and most recently cloverfield. im just going to pick on cloverfield for right now. it was done in a way to make you feel like your there and while they never say that the antagonist is from space it still relays the message. one day something may happen that the government will not or can not explain to you. i think were not right at the doors of disclosure i believe the government believes an invasion can happen at any time and wants to get that across. once again only for speculation

I believe that movies are movies and tv is tv. You people want there to be aliens so bad that you believe there is a coverup behind everything. Independence day and cloverfield and war of the worlds are all just sci-fi movies. There have been alot of movies lately about witches, warlocks, and mystical creatures. Let's see.... Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Dragon Wars. Does that mean that the Government is secretly conditioning us for the takeover of middle earth?

Originally posted by jritzmann
Oh. Ok then, we're largely on the same page.

I think so. I don't see conditioning as the conscious work of a group or government, but as the actions of authors, artists, etc individually following their own "muse," which I use in the classical sense.

but there also arent thousands of hours of videos of dragons roaming our skies, nor pictures, or air traffic control recordings of them picking up dragons on radar. no commercial aircraft pilots seeing dragons. but on the other hand this does apply to UFO's they've been reported on radar, visually by pilots astronauts and military personel. recorded on camera, video, in police reports. many governments have launched inquiries into the matter spending millions of dollars. paintings from the renaissance,hieroglyphics. i didnt say the government was trying to cover up anything they may klnow as much about it as we do and just preparing us for the unknown. my teacher in 11th grade used to work for the NSA and my teacher in jail was ex-cia i can assure you they use TV and all forms of media (posters advertisements radio((not so much anymore))) to influence our opinions and prepare us for many different things. but then again these people used to be NSA and CIA so how can i trust them right espescially if there is some sort of cover up.i believe we'll never know until its too late for knowing to matter.