Look around you. It’s happening!! (Beginning of UFO disclosure is now!)

reply to post by prevenge

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Hey, no hard feelins. I understand where you are coming from. I just thought you were directing all that at me, to which I felt privelaged. No worries, your all good with me!

true....

even if it's aliens piloting them


or humans.


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The coverage in the mainstream media is huge lately, not just in the english-speaking world, but also where i live, so i assume everywhere. Here, even an astronaut (the only one my country ever had, ha ha) stated he s convinced of the existance of aliens and also that the governments are keeping us in the dark about it. He also said friends of his, also astronauts, have had encounters with ufos and they have been threatened by their government (russian) to keep quiet about it in the media. I could provide you with links, but they would be useless because of the language.

Yes, the disclosure looks right around the corner. But on the other hand the process might be a long one, because of what disclosure might imply for the human race. Lets take the happiest case (and the most unlikely). Aliens are good guys, they re here to help us or just out of pure scientifical curiosity. Our goverments are also good guys, and they re just working in our best interest without any hidden agendas. Even in this happy case, disclosure would be a long and painful process. Humanity has been known to be a very xenophob and violent race. We cant even stand other humans like us, who differ slightly from us. Plus the masses like to get panicky and hysterical very quickly. True, there are many people all over the world who, just like us, feel like they are ready for this. But masses have a different psychology from individuals.

So my point is that even in the best case we still might be far from disclosure.

Here's a curve ball.

What if The Conditioning of Humanity surrounding UFO's and alien encounters is a way for government to cover up an even greater, more mindbending truth and believing in UFO's is a step we all must take in order to accept that truth?

Here is an example, what if as a species, somehow the great individuals (i.e., Jesus, Buddha, Pick a Roman Emperor, Confuscious, Edgar Cayce, name one) in history are all great because they've pierced through a dimension that causes us to react psychologically as a larger society? What if they're time here on earth and their works (singularly or collectively, oh and by the way, include inventors like Da Vinci, Tesla, Goddard, etc.) are responsible for creating a pooled "wake" or "after effect" of perception that naturally occurs as seeing UFO's. What I am suggesting is not a simple mass hallucination, but a real warping of reality due to a collective disbelief in something, rather than a positive belief. For as long as there have been humans that think in a higher plane and accept religion, the beliefs that propel them through their daily lives, faith, has offered humanity a great number of positive and miraculous advances like medicine, space travel, telecommunications and the list goes on.

I know this sounds strange, but our existence here is not as cut and dry as seeing and sensing is believing. UFO's might very well simply be for people the anti-religion, not evil or bad, simply faith looking in the equal and opposite direction until reality produces the unexplained.

Mi friend who told you there is no proof? How could you be so sure the U.S. gov, or any other nation does not have captured ET tech? Do you work with the black ops? Probably not! So it is your opinion that there is no evidence, this is not fact. Simply one human being displaying his thoughts about not having proof. How could you be so sure that the U.S. government in a few years will not bring forward evidence of some alien presence visiting Earth? What is happening is real, look around you. Just yesterday MSN.com posted another article about UFOs. Coincidence? No!





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reply to post by nexusmagazine

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And that reflects on my belief on the current situation aswell, in a world that strives to maintain the status quo opening pandora's box is unthinkable, logically it would not be an option for those that control.


It is interesting to get a view from someone in the media it begs the question, "what incentive have you been offered" or is it merely the benefit of more sales if you publish the conformist line.


Von Brauns alleged words are interesting to me, for instance beware the military industrial complex I can see plausibility in them and I have to admit they are always in the back of my mind only to come forward at times like these, another is focusing the peoples minds on various threats, first will come the cold war and potential of nuclear war then terrorism and finally an extraterrestrial concern.

For these reasons, personally I will take any truth that is disclosed, if any, with a pinch of salt for I am convinced it will not be the whole truth.


Maybe, you could be right but we are getting etherical here a hard one to prove.


It's ok, I don't think anyone noticed

Thanks for your personal disclosure it is nice to have a post with some meat on it now and then.

Oh i don't think we need to be conditined any longer. We also do not need the permission of the Pope to believe in "UFOs", and i am Catholic.

I think it is really common sense that we are not alone in this universe/multiverse - NOR do i believe we are alone in this galaxy. But hey, that's me. We are a mere spec of dust in space where some life formed under the right conditions.

A consideration:
in 1999 the Hubble Space Telescope estimated that there were 125 billion galaxies in the universe, and recently with the new camera HST has observed 3,000 visible galaxies

Consider this, we have 100 billion stars with planets in OUR galaxy, multiply THEORETICALLY by 3000 (galaxies visible) and for the sake of technicality divide by 10, we get 30,000 billion stars with planets in 3000 VISIBLE galaxies.

NOW even more profound, lets assume there ARE 125 billion galaxies multiply that by 100 billion stars in each galaxy with planets thats 12500 billion stars with planets - looks like 12,500,000,000,000 stars with planets - even if 1 billionth has life supporting atmospheres that is 12500 planets with possible life.
There are at least 100 billion stars with planets in our Galaxy,



And we are waiting to find out if UFOs exist? Well yeah, some need to be shown - but that's also fine. Hell, if i die without seeing it for myself - who cares, i believe it already and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell us this.

Oh and again:

This disclosure is purely for those who do not believe and continue to fight the possibility. It's also for those who would stop feeling special once there is disclosure because they are no longer the higher power in the universe but in their own minds alone.

I am not a fanatic. I don't support or discount UFO threads. I read and digest and enjoy a good read - positive or negative. My belief that Earth is not the only planet with intelligent life is my own, possibly others too, but hey - i won't peddle it. it is simply logical in the bigger scheme of things.

no its just the end of days, they are conditioning us to the demon false invasion, Armageddon, the end times mate. ENJOY your life while you still can.

There is a small flaw in the "look at the media, disclosure is around the corner" idea.

If they were desentisizing us they would do a very bad job, because they take to long!
In the 1700s they enrolled Jonathan Swift to write gullivers travel. The idea was to establish in the mainstream the thought that there could be intelligent beings that are not human. 100 years later they talked jules vernes into writing several books, to make sure that further preparation to disclosure would be viewed as merely part of a fiction genre, science fiction to be exact. Later they informed H.G. Wells that they would like to do an experiment on radio and they needed a script. They ordered it 40 years before the experiment to make sure it arrived on time ... a sensible idea, since we all know how writers handle deadlines....
Then they continued with Wise (the day the earth stood still) Spielberg, Lucas ...

So we got 300 years of preparation for disclosure... the guys prepared are for the most part already dead. Lets say they realized with war of the worlds that the world wasnt ready for it ... that was 70 years ago, most of the audience is dead. Lets say they started with spielberg and lucas: 30 years ago... the audience is in their 50ies, 60ies, so they sure as hell cant take another 30 years or they will be dead too.

So i guess it is save to assume that the last few "building up for disclosure" things were harmless entertainment and science fiction, since no disclosure followed, and building up slowely stops making sense after 10 years tops, not to mention 300. So whats different this time? That its the vatican and larry king instead of Jonathan swift and H.G. wells? That its on TV now and not in a book? Or could it be that stories about the unknown sold well 300 years ago and still do today?

OK, yeah, it will be cool to be told "hey dude, UFOs exist and here's the proof". It will be interesting and possibly mind blowing and perhaps difficult for even my mind to comprehend the technology they have - but look, either way i believe "aliens" and "UFOs" exist - whether on earth or elsewhere is immaterial.

For all we know, many may look like us. Earth is just "another" stop over for many. Our technology has not advanced and we have people in charge that believe all humanity are idiots.

I have to say, they have us all wrong.

As we may know it yeah. The earth isn't going anywhere.

We are here to stay, or at least the earth is. Who knows - in 30 years we may still be waiting for the "end of days" - like wise in 1,000,000 years - i just won't be around - and if i am, hell, i hope i am a millionaire LOL

I'm Catholic (sorta -kinda,) I'll be honest it makes me mad in a way.

I know I don't need the Vatican to say, it's okay for you to believe in aliens, what am I a child and under control that I need to be told what is okay to believe. Makes me sick to my stomach to be honest.

I find it hard to believe that the World waits 4Bush to tell us Aliens are the real deal, that man is a sad leader for his people.

Let's face it you will know yourself when you know yourself

reply to post by alienstar

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That is the most arrogant thing I have ever heard! Trillions and Trillions of planets and we are the only one??? It is a mathematical impossibility! I bet you believe the the earth is the center of the solar system as well. It really baffles me how some people can be so arrogant as to completely ignore common sense. No proof needed my friend, you only have to look at the mathematics of it all. We live on earth, the only known planet to support life, how arrogant might one be to suggest that the other trillions upon trillions of planets have none what so ever. I GUESS WE ARE JUST THAT SPECIAL HUH?

I agree with you,

HOWEVER, (there's always a however, isn't there)

I believe this process started 40+ years ago.

IMO, they (T.P.T.B.) have slowly been introducing us to the idea of aliens from other planets.

This has been done in books, radio (war of the worlds anyone), T.V. (to many tv shows to list), movies (again too many to list).

Now here is my point, IMO, they started slowly with sci-fi. I believe that they have slowly been making the idea less sci-fi/fantasy and more a real possibility.

I will also note (of particular interest to me) that most of the time aliens are seen as bad/evil or with alterior motives at best. (so when aliens exist is announced, people will fear them and run to their respective government/religious leader for help/safety/salvation/blind panic.

We should see if the reports of ufos increase in both quantity and popularity relative to the severity of the global crisis. Modern society has regected it's old gods- who will they turn to in times of trouble? When governments war- the outcome isn't always evident- if the citizen- without a god- who must sacrifice so much in time of war- loses faith in his government's ability to protect and preserve him- what then motivates him to sacrifice? To rule a society- they must be blinded into submission if they cannot be bound. They will listen to the aliens wether they are real or not- like the shaman who only had to wear the skin of the animal to invoke it's authority- they will tell them to believe and they will believe- then when they tell them what to do they will do it.

I admit, the Vatican's statement about ET's was great and sends up red flags in many areas. But to me, getting to from "I don't believe" to "I believe" without solid proof is like getting from point A to point B by going half the distance, then half that distance, then half of that distance, etc. You get close but you never get there.

I'm still in the category of "I want to believe". There's that last grain of doubt stuck in my mind that won't go away until I either see proof with my own eyes or witness the military coming forward saying they are de-classifying documents and oh-yeah, aliens do exist and we've kept it secret for such a long time because it was in humanity's best interests.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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I wouldn't say "impossible", just "highly, highly, improbable".

Now I do think people who make the statement "Well if we're not alone then why haven't we been visited yet?" are speaking out of extreme ignorance. They fail to appreciate how vast the universe is. If pockets of intelligent life exist here and there, they may never know about each other throughout the lifespan of their species simply because of the sheer distances between them.

This whole subject is taking a very interesting turn into the Mainstream as of late. For good reason I'm sure. One thing that has always struck me as sneaky is the Govt. play on words regarding UFO's. I've heard this statement many times "The Air Force/Government is not in the business of investigation UFO's." How many here have heard that before? This is a play on words that many of the PTB have used for years. OK so they don't investigate UFO's.(Unidentified Flying Objects) I would bet my last dollar that they investigate Alien Spacecraft and Extra-Terrestrial societies. Again a simple play on words but logical. Sure Billy didn't have sexual relations with That Woman. He did however get a hummer in the oval office. Am I wrong? A simple play on words and a way of subverting the truth.

The Vatican's announcement that Aliens may be free of original sin has me intrigued as well.

The Undertaker