Why can no one prove a Masonic conspiracy?, page 37

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reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 11:45 PM by Roark

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
What about the conspiracy to offer salvation? The white apron is 'essentially necessary' to addmition inot heaven...why?? Why even speak of things like this if you are not trying to convert others.

You've misinterpreted the text, duder.

It is purity* that is necessary for admission into heaven, not the apron.

*as in many monotheistic religions: God cannot abide sin.

reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 02:31 PM by Metallica Bob

There may no be a worldwide masonic conspiracy,but they certainly run the whole town I live in.They control the baptist church and all seats at town hall.
If you cross one of them,bad things happen to you.

reply posted on 28-2-2009 @ 06:59 PM by KSigMason

Originally posted by Metallica Bob
There may no be a worldwide masonic conspiracy,but they certainly run the whole town I live in.They control the baptist church and all seats at town hall.
If you cross one of them,bad things happen to you.

Examples of this would be?

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 06:46 PM by Ruffian

There is the public order of freemasonry that is not malevolent. The true dark masonic order, from what I heard of, is chiefly within the P2 Propaganda Due Italian lodge that has had "big fish" members among its ranks (politicians, journalists etc.).

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 10:04 PM by KSigMason

reply to post by Ruffian

Yeah, P2 was a irregular, clandestine, rogue Lodge that no real Masonic body recognized. They didn't adhere to the rules, regulations, traditions, and charges of true Freemasonry.

reply posted on 30-9-2010 @ 11:27 PM by AlienScientist

I can.Look on your dollar bill and draw a star of david on top of the all-seeing eye pyramid.Look where the edges point to.

reply posted on 2-10-2010 @ 07:53 AM by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by AlienScientist
I can.Look on your dollar bill and draw a star of david on top of the all-seeing eye pyramid.Look where the edges point to.

So a parlor trick is proof that there is a Masonic Conspiracy? Brilliant.

reply posted on 2-10-2010 @ 08:00 AM by againuntodust

In short, if someone could prove there was a conspiracy, it wouldn't be a conspiracy anymore, it would be a fact.

You just have to keep the evidence in mind, and never fully believe anything.

reply posted on 2-10-2010 @ 08:01 AM by KoinMagus

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

we can't prove it because they are "just that good".

reply posted on 2-10-2010 @ 08:06 AM by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by KoinMagus
we can't prove it because they are "just that good".

If you are being serious then maybe you can provide some examples.

reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 10:41 AM by capozelli

What about where it says in your ritual "to your superiors in rank or office you are to offer obedience and submission'? What if your told do do something, you need to be obedent and submissive. To me, this sounds, like you need to follow orders no matter what.

reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 11:20 AM by network dude

reply to post by capozelli

You are told the same thing by your parents.
If you join the military, same thing.

reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 11:34 AM by DeReK DaRkLy

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

I have yet to see one individual prove that there is a ‘Masonic’ conspiracy of any type taking place.

Firstly, I think that the word conspiracy gets thrown around WAY too much.
If a high-ranking official takes a bribe, for example.. whether it be a policymaker, a military officer, a judge, etc., this is not so much a conspiracy as it is an act of greed. When acts of greed (and other misconduct) are coordinated repeatedly among individuals, then it starts to lean towards conspiracy.

Now, obviously the average, everyday run of the mill "Porch Mason" has no real effect on global society, but if you put one in a position of real power/authority, then at that point greed and power tripping CAN become an issue, because we all know what money, power and notoriety can do to people.

Of course, not all "high-ranking" members of the various power structures are Masons, and not all Masons are corrupt individuals, but I'm willing to bet that the world's most powerful people are nearly ALL corrupt, and that a fair share of them belong to some kind of fraternal order or other.

Now someone's going to say..."Can you back this up with facts?" but I needn't do that because human nature speaks for itself. I know people are out of their freaking minds and that's so apparent!

reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 11:56 AM by JoshNorton

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

In ANY group of people, some portion will be corrupt or will have joined for the "wrong reasons". Nobody here denies that.

What we find contentious is the idea that such corruption is both systemic in Freemasonry and that there is some way the presence of a corrupt Mason in the fraternity would have control or sway over the majority of non-corrupt members in any way.

reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 03:44 PM by DeReK DaRkLy

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What we find contentious is the idea that such corruption is both systemic in Freemasonry and that there is some way the presence of a corrupt Mason in the fraternity would have control or sway over the majority of non-corrupt members in any way

Then the question must be pondered, what percentage of corruption does an organization have to reach before it begins to do more harm than good?

reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 04:20 PM by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
If a high-ranking official takes a bribe, for example.. whether it be a policymaker, a military officer, a judge, etc., this is not so much a conspiracy as it is an act of greed. When acts of greed (and other misconduct) are coordinated repeatedly among individuals, then it starts to lean towards conspiracy.

The intent of my Original Post was aimed more at the accusations of systemic or endemic corruption within the Fraternity. Most of us would concede that an individual could be invloved in actions that you classified as 'greedy'. I have not seen anything brought forth in this thread that would involve a larger and more concereted effort by members to practise wide-spread corruption or misconduct.

Now, obviously the average, everyday run of the mill "Porch Mason" has no real effect on global society, but if you put one in a position of real power/authority, then at that point greed and power tripping CAN become an issue, because we all know what money, power and notoriety can do to people.

There have be many Masons in positions of 'power' throughout the Institution's history and while there have been individuals who have not acted in the best manner I do not think their actions were propelling some form of over-arching Masonic agenda. I think that they were just people who acted either antisocially, irresponsibly, with poor judgement, etc.

Of course, not all "high-ranking" members of the various power structures are Masons, and not all Masons are corrupt individuals, but I'm willing to bet that the world's most powerful people are nearly ALL corrupt, and that a fair share of them belong to some kind of fraternal order or other.

What other fraternal order do you accord them membership with?

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