Teenager faces prosecution for calling Scientology 'cult', page 3

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reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 10:59 AM by weedwhacker

reply to post by drwizardphd

drwizard!!

A star for hitting the proverbial nail on the head!!!

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 11:01 AM by WinoBot

Originally posted by wayno
Are we really that impotent?

that's what it looks like. these weasles have the money so they can do whatever they want. it's ludacris.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 12:28 PM by Nammu

I'd get T-Shirts and placards made with 'Scientology is a dangerous formal religious veneration, a system of religious beliefs and ritual, a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious and great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work'.

It's long winded but lets see them hold me under the Public Order Act for that one.

This is just like the infamous Bollocks to Blair incident. I can't remember who it was, but a comedian ran a test using "Testicles to Tony" and "Bollocks to Claire" T-shirts to see what part of the statement was actually classed as offensive by the police. The first one was definately most popular with the people and least popular with the police.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 12:32 PM by Frontkjemper

Star and flagged!

This is crazy, whatever happened to freedom of speech? Oh, that's right... Only freedom of favored speech...

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 12:49 PM by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by blowfishdl
I don't understand.. Scientology is a cult.

From Merriam-Webster's Dictionary:

cult
1: formal religious veneration :worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Yep, it's a cult alright...According to definition #1 (& others), so is Christianity, Islam, Judaism...Every organized religion is a cult. From definition #5a, even Atheism is a cult.

Originally posted by Choronzon
In America, as long as it is not direct slander/libel or threat to harm another individual you can pretty much carry a sign insulting just about anything and everything.

That teenager (if he were an American, that is) would've been able to counter-sue for defamation of character, causing wrongful duress to appear in court (since Scientologists are, by official definition, cultists) which may even prompt further investigation into the police that arrested him, violating First Amendment Rights to Free Speech & Peaceful Assembly...Anything else?

Even though the US government is working very hard to screw over the People, the very bulk of the Laws they wrongfully enforce can also be used for one's protection from vindictive idiots (& other cultists...).

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
If Scientology was just a cult, I would have no problem with it. But Scientology is a corrupt, abusive and dangerous organization that preys on the vulnerable and viciously exploits its own followers, while attacking anyone that dares to speak about its true nature.

From the way that the US Founding Fathers viewed governments as a "necessary evil" & wrote the Constitution as a limitation on what a government should be able to do (although the term "doo-doo" would be more accurate), you've just accurately described what all governments are like.

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
Oh thats right, one rule for one, another for the other.

This reminds me of a quote by Mordred in the movie, "Merlin" that goes something like, "Is this the way it's going to be? One law for the ruler & another law for the ruled?" At this point, one of King Arthur's Lords speaks up, "We can't live like that!"
Gee, wasn't it a situation very much like this that prompted King James' Lords to enforce the signing of the Magna Carta, upon threat of armed conflict? Any Brits think that another Magna Carta may be in order?

Originally posted by Britguy

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
Erm.. other than that, the Cult of Scientology is a Cult...
I used to call them a cult all the time too.
Infact, Scientology is a cult.
Scientology is a cult!
Scientology is a cult!

Ooooooh! You Nazi
Mods... burn the heretic!
Mods... burn the heretic!

Ooooh! Nazis are a cult too!

Justaminute! By definition #5a, doesn't that also make the ATS Staff another cult? And even...Gasp!...Us posting Members too?

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 01:06 PM by Anonymous ATS

The story of the origination of COS is kind of funny if it wasn't for all the terrible things that have happened to the people involved.
Mr. Hubbard was visiting and staying with a friend and fellow author in a brownstone on E 57th in Manhattan. He and his friend where invited to a get together at another persons apartment down the hall from him. These people where discussing various publishers and editors they dealt with. They also, many being actors waiting to be discovered on broadway and the movies, discussed what kind of part they where trying out for. Mr. Hubbard was complaining about not being able to get his regular publisher to assign an editor to his latest creation. The publishers didn't like the story line or some such. He kept it up and was annoying several of the other authors with his complaints. During a lull in the rant. A person ,very well known to me, suggested to him that the story (which she had read) was the perfect outline for founding a new religion. The gathering agreed and Mr Hubbard took that info and suggestion to heart and followed through! Several of these folks at that party became some reknowned charactor actors and authors. Some of they're children and grandchildren are now stars in Hollywood. Frank and Jerri passed on in the early 70's. I will ever forget this story. I know its true because it has been repeated to me by some of those folks children.
Its a total scam and its dogma is spreading at an alarming rate. Someone somewhere needs to get a handle on it soon!

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 01:39 PM by LockwithnoKey

I know that Scientology is a cult and a joke.

Let them come and arrest me, I'll gladly wear it printed in bold on my chest.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 03:26 PM by cruzion

Eh!
I thought Scientology™ was banned in the U.K?
I also thought most people know that Scientology™ is a cult.
I would also agree that all religions can be described as a cult, pretty much.
Hence, we really do need to get rid of religion.
Just IMHO.
Seems Scientology™ just takes in morons and makes them stupider. Look at Tom Cruise for an excellent example.
Seriously, anyone moron that believes that Scientology™ nonsense needs to be thrown in a volcano. Don't get upset, Scientologists™, it's just my opinion and belief. I also believe you are a cult. Are you going to object against my beliefs? You are perfectly entitled to. Just as I am perfectly entitled to object to your profiteering moronic cult system.
Keep your dollars safe. Praise be to Xenu.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 03:35 PM by kelbtalfenek

reply to post by Daz3d-n-Confus3d

This is an extreme case. Knowing the insides of Scientology, you can bet that they're prosecuting as far as they can. They've got loads of people in high places, since L. Ron's main goal was to take over the world-and actively recruit those people in influential places to do so.

The Government would rather not prosecute, in my humble opinion, but I'll bet that the "Church" is pressing the issue, not for any sort of justice, but to glean information, and publicly humiliate this individual.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 03:41 PM by cruzion

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

Aleister Crowley had met up with Hubbard©, to discuss opening up a 'religious society' in America, long before Scientology™ was born. Crowley had made a fair bit of money from his organisations in the U.K. and the patrons had funded the establishment of his 'Abbey of Thelema' in Sicily , but he really wanted to tap into the wealth in America. So the idea was well known to Hubbard© long before the 'meeting at 57th' that you speak of...

www.lermanet.com...

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 04:08 PM by greenfruit

Originally posted by kelbtalfenek
reply to post by Daz3d-n-Confus3d

not for any sort of justice, but to glean information, and publicly humiliate this individual.

I can't quite figure how a multi million dollar organisation (CULT) prosecuting a 15 year boy is going to humiliate this 15 year old boy.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 04:23 PM by SystemiK

Here is a great interview with Jason Beghe, a prominent actor and spokesperson for scientology, after he left. Quite interesting to hear an insider view of the cult. *warning: much profanity*

Google Video Link

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 04:34 PM by justanothergangster

i saw a documenary about scientology where the man filing was attacked by a member of scientology with a screwdriver then the cops played it off and tried to tell them it was illegal to film someone without there permission ( even though this man was out in public and once you leave your residence you can film however you want on the streets). scientology is a corrupt institution that pays off police so they can attack however they want that disagrres with them. this happened in a town i think in florida that the church of scientology pretty much owns. not too mention the various corporate take overs they have been involved in domestic spying and taking over the cult help hotline(which was established to help people escape cults). and to many members of scientology reading this i know not all of you are like that i know some of you are just wanting to find a meaning to life, as are all of us in one way or another,so im not blaming you just the corrupt people who use the church as a front to harm others which should be the objective of NO religious institution.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 04:37 PM by johnsky

If we don't start readily exercising our right to free speech and expression unanimously, and in the face of the government... we may get quietly silenced.

You could wake up one day, and realize, you aren't allowed to say anything that isn't pre-authorized.

So... I shall begin by speaking my mind. You may or may not disagree... but that's beside the point... this is about saying what you actually think.

All religions are cults.

Government officials should be held accountable for cover-ups, with the automatic penalty of a life sentence, no chance of parole.

Any and all members of government aware of a cover-up, without attempting to prevent the cover-up, should be sentenced to the same penalty as the above.

Religion has no place in government... ALL mentions of religion should be immediately revoked from government property and doctrine.

Any attempt to tread on freedom of speech, should be met with a penalty of a life sentence. No chance of parole.

I know some of this is off topic... but we have to start showing the government that we are not afraid to speak our mind... and penalizing us, will not be tolerated, and it will not stop us.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 04:43 PM by Christian Voice

I officially call scientology a cult as well. Where is my summons? I would welcome one.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 05:51 PM by Hiddenhand

All this kid needs to do is a take a good dictionary into the court with him and swear on that and say scientology is a cult.

I remember watching a TV program about scientology and they all walk around like something out of body snatchers.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 06:09 PM by tpeele

reply to post by Daz3d-n-Confus3d

WHAT?!?! That is so undescribably stupid! We do have a freedom of speech and have freedom of religion. It also may not be the childs fault for believign this, his parents could be feeding him and causing him to say this crap.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 06:13 PM by LockwithnoKey

So is the book they follow now a sacred religious text? Thus protecting it from public defacement and destruction?

Like the fellow that used the Quran as target practice and is now facing charges, could this be the same case if it was Dianetics or whatever they use instead?

Gladly don't know too much about Scientology

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 07:01 PM by pikypiky

Yup, 'Dianetics' it’s a freaky book just like the Quran. Perhaps all religious texts are fictitious in nature, authored by imaginative writers. In order to cash in on the ignorance of people, they’d have its leader held up high upon a pedestal as guru or ultimately to god-like mode.

Cult

8. any system [Dianetics] for treating human sickness [a thetan] that originated by a person [L. Ron Hubbard, a fiction author] usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease [an engram (or psychosomatic responses by the ‘reactive mind’], and that employs methods [‘auditing’ sessions from a ‘Pre Clear’ to a ‘Clear’] regarded as unorthodox [weird] or unscientific [pseudoscience].

Yup, based on my creative definition analysis of the word 'cult' [enclosed in brackets], Scientology fits the bill as a cult. So let’s all see what happens to the case. If this ‘religion’ is allowed to take away a teenager’s freedom of speech to hold up a sign in public and freedom of expression to label ‘Scientology’ a cult, then perhaps they have something to hide.

reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 07:19 PM by freedomforall

reply to post by drwizardphd

I don't know why its called a church in the first place. They do not worship any God there unless they call the founder a God. Hopefully not. They should not get any tax credits because they say its a church. I wonder if I can call my home a church and get tax credits. hmmmmm

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