Originally posted by cutbothways

Originally posted by budski
It's really quite simple - if people obeyed the laws of the land, the police wouldn't need to do this.

Can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I have zero sympathy for motorists who behave irresponsibly or illegally.

Well, you probably won't mind when they start looking into your bedroom window to make sure your wearing a condom when making love, to keep with the new population control ordinance, will you.

Typical. These will be the same people screaming for their rights as their hauled of to "camps"

Good Call!! One step = one mile -

It's like anything else most of the time your picking on people who once in a while or even once in a blue moon have situations in their life - like forgetting to get your vehical tags - then your on your way to get them at the DMV then they nab you cause their system reads one way.. I had a situation to where as I had proof (from the DMV) in my hand that my drivers license was valid a day prior to him pulling me over - the state troopers info had not been updated as of yet, so I was wrong. the the "official" document didn't mean bunk he said. what I see in my data base is what I find as truth. I still had to pay the ticket, I still had to pay the court fines and I lost 4 days of work for that crap not including the days I missed due to the fact my care was towed until "I" got it cleared up - I know it's my fault, I shouldn't have got into the mess in the first place but It's their fault for not having their system data information updated with the correct information in a timely fashion and make me waist a grand in the process... It's as usual - the criminals will find ways around it and it's the every day dedicated citizen that gets the shaft - and you'll always have that along with the rich who pay the lawyers to get out of it..

And that's just one point - I'm 50/50 I think it's not needed but also it's another revenue generating machine - They need tools to do their job but it's just like the casher at McDonalds they can't give me (count out) the change unless the cash register tells them what to give me.... Technology can be good but what are they going to resort to when it fails....

Just like Radar guns - Troopers nor police can use them in VA (USA) when they are moving down the road due to the discrepency in the 3mph give or take that the gun displays - they have to be sitting still to use them properly, to allow a conviction of speeding...

Oh Yeah and I guess you won't mind either when they take you out of your home becasue not only did you not have a condom on but you were in a sexual position deemed illegal by the law - I know in VA (USA) on the books (don't know exactly where or what code) it is illegal to fornicate in any other position than Missionary... Now that code may be from 195o's but it's still on the books and if they want to find a crack to get you, you bet your tush they will...

Originally posted by mcmartinson
Reading this thread really bothers me. First of all, I applaude the efforts of the police department doing this. You display your license plate as your vehicle's identification. Police have always had the right to check up on your vehicle for any reason. You're in public, on a public road, with other public vehicles, right?

McMartinson

Ah ding,ding,ding, WRONG!!! The Police have ALWAYS had to have probable cause to pull you over & to even look you up - They can NEVER pull you over for just anything NOR can they run your tags just because - at least here in the States..

Not saying it doesn't happen - but if the police officer is found to be that sneaking and is caught the whole case goes out the window.. Not to mention that pretty blonde he just passed, with 6 other cars around going the same speed then just by chance pulling her over to give her a ticket - O and who knows maybe even a date...Since he read her plates and found out she was a divorced mother of two who so happens to be single & just came into a load of cash from the divorce....

[edit on 21-5-2008 by hdchop]

guys.. some common sense here.. your license plate is out there on public display.. with the rising population vastly outstripping the cop population, its just making things a bit more efficient on their end. you always see cops randomly running plates at stop lights and so on. how is this any different than him having a copilot who's doing the same?

Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
guys.. some common sense here.. your license plate is out there on public display.. with the rising population vastly outstripping the cop population, its just making things a bit more efficient on their end. you always see cops randomly running plates at stop lights and so on. how is this any different than him having a copilot who's doing the same?

I've never noticed it and it's illegal for them to do so... Our rights are our rights and the law is the law - so when I do something stupid I pay but when the shoes on the other foot they should also - but some are above that... Same thing as a cop running down the road flashing their lights for no reason but to get out of traffic

They implemented that into some police cars in NZ a year or so ago. Seemed to work well... plenty of people with dodgy jap imports here to get nabbed.

I don't mind if it does purely what it does - read plate consult database check if stolen/out of rego etc it but it probably could be used for a much more nefarious pupose... hehe.

edit: besides not too hard to beat considering they started changing typeface of plates and made bike plates slightly larger... mine is a little 'bent' hahhahahaha

[edit on 21-5-2008 by GhostR1der]

Originally posted by GhostR1der
They implemented that into some police cars in NZ a year or so ago. Seemed to work well... plenty of people with dodgy jap imports here to get nabbed.

I don't mind if it does purely what it does - read plate consult database check if stolen/out of rego etc it but it probably could be used for a much more nefarious pupose... hehe.

edit: besides not too hard to beat considering they started changing typeface of plates and made bike plates slightly larger... mine is a little 'bent' hahhahahaha

[edit on 21-5-2008 by GhostR1der]

Bent - I like that - I guess we'll see if they can read at any angle as well.. Mine is sideways - in VA you can have your plate turned any way but upside down or backwards....

In the USA the cop's are supposed to have ' reasonable grounds to believe' that a crime has been or is being committed before they take ANY action against a civilian. The cop's are not supposed to stop you for no reason or run your info..nothing. The police are not allowed to randomly check anything they want just for fun or on a hunch, and we need not go along with the nonsense.

Right now I am writing an article for a local paper on police misconduct and the cop's are really stirred up...the cockroaches are running from the light. just asking for input on police misconduct has resulted in letters to the editor claiming I have an agenda...cop's all upset because I brought the subject up at all..cop's whining and crying about how tough their job is and how we should ignore anything they do and trust them!! TRUST THEM!! a COP. of all people...can you imagine that?

Cop's are the LAST people to look out for our rights..they would trash them all and operate like a band of Nazi thugs if they had their way...we all know that cop's resent having to get warrants and explain why they are doing their evil deeds....we all know that they lie constantly to get warrants instead of investigating and gathering evidence...lazy dog's.

And no we have super technology helping them destroy the last bit of privacy we have left...and the machines help them ruin America and destroy the few rights we have left...God help us all...maybe someday it will come down to warfare in the streets to settle the scores and then we will see who is protecting us and who is trying to dominate us. Never trust a cop, and never let them bully you.

I don't see why this is 'disturbing' technology? Because it makes it harder for people to break the law? I don't get it? If you have outstanding warrants then you should be arrested. If you're an unlicensed driver you shouldn't be driving. It's like people who cry about speed traps and how the are unfair. Hey, if you weren't speeding to begin with you wouldn't get a ticket.

By the way, the Patriot Act is a joke. I just think that if you break the law you should be punished; be it a misdemeanor or a felony.

I'm tired of people running around on our streets without a license to be driving. I'm tired of criminals getting behind the wheel hauling their drugs and guns around while I pay my taxes, take my driving test, pay for insurance and abide by the laws of the road. When the police have the technology to get these people off the roads then I'm all for that. These guys and gals have families too and are citizens just like you and me. They deserve all the technology available to keep our streets and neighborhoods save.

I'm pretty sure it has been done in some form within Australia for a while.

I had a mate who was driving an unregistered car and was picked up almost instantly.

Could have been fast on the keyboard, but the cop car was doing a reasonably quick circuit of the car-park(parking lot).

Identifying stolen/unregistered cars and unliscenced drivers is fine with me but here lies the problem...

You can easily search for a name in a database...
A name that has been assigned a variable within a database...

***Big Brother databases that send data to such programs need OVERSIGHT before I support them.

PS: Use your balls (wherever they may be) , your brains and stand up to the police in certain situations using your BRAIN. Amazing what you can do. The key is to let them feel like they are still in charge.

[edit on 22-5-2008 by seenitall]

Dude Thats # all in the UK we have ANPR fixed cams on some motorways(freeways) which can all some work out ur speed!!!!!!

The real problem with the ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) units is that most of the systems actually record the date, time, and GPS location of every license plate they scan regardless if the vehicle is stopped for a crime or infraction. The pro argument for this is that it will provide law enforcement with the necessary data they may need to solve a particular case such as a child kidnapping. At the other end of the spectrum, IMHO, it I’m driving to the grocery store and I am not breaking any laws, its none of the governments business what I’m doing or where I’m at. It seems that our freedoms and rights are eroding faster and faster every year. How soon before they chip us and track our daily whereabouts every second?

Look,

In the U.S., when/if push comes to shove, you now have what amounts to Zero Rights.

Period.

The folks who sing the saw about, "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear," are brainwashed lockstep sheeple, perhaps the greatest single example of the Stockholm Syndrome on record.

If any of them are to, "wake up," further up the road, they will find their modes of operation, means to better ends, ability to Organize and Act drastically curtailed due to present acceptance of Major BS systems, and those which are in the pipes already.

Of that latter, that which is presently being refined by Lockheed Martin in conjunction with the FBI will make the current crop of police state tactics/technology seem quaint.

The scannings will be without permission. You will have zero choice. By their very nature, there will be the risks of injury due to malfunctions, mis-calibrations. All acceptable by today's, "non-standards."

People, you are in serious trouble already. Of those of you who don't presently know it, there will be a percentage who will later on. But it will be too late to squash it.

I see why conspiracy theorists would be worried about them taking innocent people ( conspiracy theorists are more than a bit paranoid) but I don't seee much of a problem with it. I really dislike reckless drivers, and if you aren't commiting a crime what's the problem?

P.S. : "...and their pants legs stuffed in their boots like the NAZI's." Just noticing, I doubt the Nazi's were the first people to stick thier pants in thier boots.