Why are people obsessed with Nibiru?, page 2

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reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 09:59 PM by Fibonacci11235

because calamities such as war famine and natural destruction via tornadoes and earthquakes isnt enough. We want death from above, we need apocalypses around the corner to stop living our lives productively. We want, maybe just need ascension, so we dont have to worry about the very real destruction that we have wrought. We need something big enough to cover the hole we've dug for ourselves, Nibiru would be a nice coffin lid.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 06:58 AM by Agent Venom

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Not a problem.

I know there is alot of threads on this subject already but keeping track of the better ones is a good idea.

reply posted on 22-5-2008 @ 05:34 PM by VIKINGANT

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Excellent.
If you come across any more let me know or just throw it in here. It feels like we are coming to the end of this whole Nibiru thing……Until somebody actually spots it and can point it out to us that is…..

Fib,
So basically we need something to blame. Human Nature I guess…I have often wondered why we couldn’t be happy with the possibility of just finding a new planet but instead in HAS to be a rogue killer planet with an evil agenda.

reply posted on 23-5-2008 @ 07:27 PM by VIKINGANT

Well it looks like I have a new favorite Nibiru thread. Im coming clean about my videos which I am sure many have already seen.

Wherein the the author openly states that he is the one who 'created' the videos that many Niburuists have pinned all thier hopes on for evidence.

As I said in that thread.

I for one think this is one of the best things I have ever seen in my time here.
I guess this will shut down at least 1 of the biggest threads of recent times. Not to mention going a long way to shutting down one of the biggest jokes of all time. I dont care why it was done but to crap all over the closest thing to evidence any Nibiruist has ever had is absolutely brilliant.
Now all we need is for Sitchin to sign up and confess his hoax and its game over!!!!

I am in no way 'piggy backing' on this thread. I am directing people to it. As I said earlier my plan is to collate all of these types of threads together and this one is GOLD!.

reply posted on 3-6-2008 @ 05:56 PM by L.HAMILTON

I believe with the astronomical alignment coming in 2012, will make a NIBIRU passing ( if it exists) look harmless.

reply posted on 3-6-2008 @ 06:12 PM by argentus

You want me to answer your original question? Okay, here it is:

It's like watching anything on youtube or 'fringe' websites.... you don't REALLY want to save it to your favorites, because, hey, you think it's absurd, too "out there", unsubstantiated, unpopular, laughable.

butttttttttttt..... on the other hand, occasionally you might find yourself, in moments of rest, gravitating toward the absurd, unsubstantiated, unscientific..... no particular reason that you can glean, just interesting, and what makes it interesting especially is all the energy and attention given to debunking it.

Do I subscribe to the Nibiru theory? No way. My background was in Chemistry, with a minor in Math and Physics. It's absurd. There is NO way on EARTH that such a celestial body could be enroute to our Solar System without our observance and/or knowledge. And yet............. when a thread such as this pops up? I'm there, and I don't really know why. Perhaps some elements of the fable resonate as possible to me.

Now, this ties into the 2012 thing. Through a hoard of personal research, it seems to me that many different cultures and diverse groups have prophecied the same or close to same date. Are they all whackamoles? Do I, modern man, have the depth of study, the diversity of intellect, the grasp of the interrelations between concrete science, quantum physics and theology to be able to discern the truth amidst all this past and present writings? Well, now, that would be pretty bold.

I remain highly sceptical, but I must admit, not completely swayed that it's a myth. I have to ask myself, for what purpose would this fraud be perpetrated?

Still watching. Still smiling, laughing, and learning.

reply posted on 3-6-2008 @ 06:55 PM by RiseToAddiction

I too have never read or seen any solid evidence although the first thing I ever saw on the whole 2012 debate was nothing to do with Planet X. It mentioned the alignment but it's theory on the world changing 'around' the time of 2012 was all about how our solar system revolves around the centre of our galaxy along the galactic equator not unlike the debris of Saturns rings, but our sola system bobs above and below this equator line over periods of thousands of years. When we cross this equator line the polar axis on Earth changes - This would bring massive earth changes and shifting etc... This is the main reason why the weather, earthquakes & tsunamis are becoming more frequent because we're getting close to the Galactic Equator. This is 'a' theory anyway but it was the first one I heard of last year and to me still sounds much more believable that Planet X but it seems to get brushed under the carpet.

Anyone else go tinfo/links on this?

reply posted on 3-6-2008 @ 07:19 PM by VIKINGANT

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First of all welcome to ATS. Tighten your seatbelt, keep all limbs inside the carriage and enjoy the ride.

You can always type 2012 into the search at the top of the page. There are tons of threads with all sorts of links. A few threads come to mind such as.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Or you could also hit the word ‘informative’ in my signature for a list of supposed 2012 events.

reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 01:26 PM by andy2001

Originally posted by Agent Venom

Originally posted by Acidtastic
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sorry,I know this is slightly off topic,but I'm asking anyway. is there anyone who's translated the sumarien text,that is a quallified ancient texty type person. And is it backed up with the proper support from the ancient texty type people community? And did he get it all wrong,or was it just the bits that make for uncomfortable reading?(I know nothing of the subject really,just a bunch of half assed info gathered from various interweb videos)

As I said in my previous post, any bit of probing of the relavent scholarly literature will provide light on the actual meaning and content of these texts. Sitchin basis his whole thesis around one Sumerian cylinder ceal in particular, VA 243, picture below.

Sitchin claims the diagram in the upper left depicts our solar system, complete with all the planets plus an extra one, Nibiru, with the sun in the center. Again, this is out and out false. The symbol does not depict our solar system with the sun in the center at all. In simplest terms, the alleged "sun" in the upper left corner of the seal isn't a sun, and so the artwork doesn't depict the sun and our solar system. It's a STAR. We know this because of the consistent sun iconography of Sumero-Mesopotamian art. In case you're thinking, "well the sun is a star", the Sumerians and Mesopotamians distinguished these bodies in their artwork.

Here's the normal sun symbol of Sumero-Mesopotamian art:

Note: The sun symbol always has either four arms plus wavy lines extending from a "ball" in the middle, or it is a ball with wavy lines. VA 243 has no wavy lines. It does not depict the sun.

Below are examples of star symbols. Stars could have 6, 7, or 8 pts. in Sumero-Mesopotamian art (VA 243 has six):

One of the most common artistic motifs in Sumero-Mesopotamian art is the depiction of sun, crescent moon, and star TOGETHER, side by side. This shows they distinguished the symbols (and these bodies. Hence, to a Sumerian, the symbol on VA 243 was not the sun:

star (L) moon (C) sun (R)

Note the wavy lines in the sun symbol; a wholly different style than VA 243.

Note again in the above the wavy lines in the sun symbol (lower right) as opposed to the star at the top; a wholly different style than VA 243. More of Sitchin's false translations and more on VA 243 can be found here:
www.michaelsheiser.com...

I would also like to point out that Sitchin, as well as other people that believe his work, claim that the Sumerians knew of all the planets in the solar system, once again this is out and out false. The Sumerians did not have telescopes, and only knew of 5 planets (7 if one counts the sun and moon), Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. They did not know of Uranus, Neptune or Pluto as Sitchin claims. Of the planets that lay beyond Saturn (namely, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto) the ancients show no sign of having been aware of them. Uranus was only discovered and named in the post-telescope era by William Herschel in 1781. That goes doubly for Neptune or Pluto that lay beyond Uranus, and were discovered much later. None of those three planets show up on any known pre-Galilean sky charts.

Ok so why does the star that is not the sun appear to have 10 planets orbiting it. Based on you’re definition of a star they can not be other stars, and the circles in the drawing clearly relate to the star that it not the sun. So I guess there drawing the planets of another solar system.

reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 01:44 PM by Agent Venom

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Your answer is here: www.michaelsheiser.com...
Scroll to the bottom of the page and view the last two pictures, also take the time to view the pdf files.

reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 07:11 AM by VIKINGANT

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Thanks venom. Good link

I guess in all fairness I should give my personal reasons for jumoing on Nibiru related threads like the afore mentiond 'seagull on a hot chip'

Initially because I was fascinated by the prospect of not only a new planet but one that supposedly was going to some close enough to see and would have an effect on earth. If this was going to happen I wanted to know as much about it as I could.

You can imagine my dissapointment will the lack of credible information. So why am I still pouncing on all things Nibiru? My new mission is to alert people to the fact that they are being duped (Insert IMO so as not to upset the diehards too much

)

reply posted on 18-6-2008 @ 07:33 AM by jdouglasusn

I first heard about Nibiru/Planet X/ Marduk/whatever name it has now from an email mom joking sent me about the Mayan 2012 and so on. So I got curious and that is why I look for these kind of topics now. I have heard we've should have been able to see in 2003, 2008, 2009 and now 2012. I also heard it was Jupiter size, 4 times the size of earth, that it is a brown dwarf, and many others. I read that it revolves around a brown/red dwarf also headed in this direction, and a few others. Nothing I have read so far is constant besides that it has a an orbit of 3,600 years, and an eccentric one, and it causes polar shifts every 3,600 years.

I read about the Sumerians and about what they saw. A bright object in the sky pretty much. I started thinking and drew out my own "theory" on this....and again this is just my opinion, a big fat "what if".....

1) This object has a very eccentric orbit, like a comet.
2) has an orbit of 3600 years, like a couple comets we have seen in the 90's (ex: Hale-Bopp)

(I disregarded the size, since I heard 42459783429487(roughly, hehe) different sizes)
(I also throughout polar shifts, since scientist estimated out last shift to be about 740,000 years ago, so 3,00 years doesn't fit at all)

After reading this, I thought what if this Nibiru is nothing more than just a comet with an orbit of about 3600 years (roughly).

What if this Nibiru already came and gone? What if this Nibiru is actually comet Hale-Bopp that passed by in 1997? sure that was 10 years ago, and Nibiru isn't sue until 2012 A fifteen year difference in a long orbit is very plausible due to other influences in space. The comet was very brillant even though it was further away than the sun when it passed by Earth. Hale-Bopp has an orbit of about 3000 years (roughly). It's almost impossible to determine since we will only see once in our lifetimes. It also would explain why we haven't seen Nibiru yet. People expecting a red object while a comet passed by 15 years before the hype.

If the ancient Sumerians saw this, I'm sure they would have been buzzing about it as well, and after seeing it in the sky, drew their "winged planet". Hale-Bopp might have been even closer back then, who know what it would have looked like.

I'm not bashing on any Nibiruists, however, I don't think it's coming, since we can detect planets 42 light years away by observing gravatational effects on the star it's orbiting, I'm sure we can see this one coming especially if it's within the Kuiper Belt. Even though I don't believe it, I like read up on it. I find it rather interesting.

[edit on 18-6-2008 by jdouglasusn]

reply posted on 5-7-2008 @ 05:26 AM by VIKINGANT

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You nailed it on a few points. there are way too many inconsistancies with the orbit, size ETA and timing of 'previous visits'

I have to admit my fascination continues mostly for the chuckles I get from what I call Nibiru Devotees but also for the prospect of actually finding a prviously unseen planetoid altough you are right that whenever/if ever it is found, it will NOT be incoming.

reply posted on 21-10-2008 @ 07:08 PM by Anonymous ATS

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hrmm, it seems to me your claims to disprove stichin are as faulty as stichin's claims... now im not claiming to know the truth of nibiru, im sceptic of most of these theories coming out now-a-days, but some seem quite plausible... in the vein of healthy skepticism im going to ask you some questions...

-you say that "probing of the relavent scholarly literature will provide light on the actual meaning and content of these texts"... well then, what is the context of that tablet?

-modern man has discerned the difference of the sun and stars as well, and yet we still may call the sun a star when in the right context... why do you think that cant be the sun?

-if that is not the sun, and those dots are not planets, then why is the center star annunciated with the glow... and why do the other "stars" appear to be orbiting it?

-following your link i see a picture of a man with dots above his hands... and that is supposed to be proof that they are stars? maybe if there an explanation of the context of the picture i might believe it... but it seems more plausable that they are planets, and man is harnessing the energy of planets through alchemy... why do you believe they are stars?

-the text of ceal va243 certaintly does not prove that this is a depiction of our solar system... but then again, i do not know what the names are indicating and if they are in fact names of humans... it could be saying matter is the servant of light... and that would explain why the sun is depicted as a star... because the stars are the master of the material realm[including the planets]... but again, i have no proof and am just being sceptical...

beyond all that, i would pose to you the fact that i did not hear about nibiru from stichin, or even proponents of stichin... but in fact from mayan researchers who claimed the mayans witnessed the planet and incorporated it into their calender[as their calender is completely based on the events in the sky, therefore making it the most accurate calender to date]

but anyways, if nibiru is in fact a part of our solar system, we will surely find out come december 2012, as all our planets will align as the sun enters the center of the galaxy, and the truth shall be revealed...

p.s. ive read that sumerians had knowledge of our procession of equinoxes and even knew the color of our outer planets... any input on those proposals?

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