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Dennis Fetcho and the Illuminatus Observor, a Cover for a Masonic Op??

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posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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First off, not a Mason here, just been reading.
Secondly, how do you judge disproportionate? How many Christians are on this site? How many Muslims? Buhddists, Wiccans, ect...
Christians especially jump into threads just like the Masons do when a statement is made about them.
Yes though, I suppose that in a forum where Masons are generally hated for being evil satan worshippers or whatever, you do have a disproportionate number here.
I mean there are... what, golly about ten or so in this thread?
COmpared to how many thousands of members?




posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
you do have a disproportionate number here.


Pulling teeth ... but thank you, anyway.

By disproportionate, I mean out of whack, out of balance fro the average you would expect normally; and compared with other conspiracy forums that I've had familiarity with.

Like I said before, word on the street is that others (in various Yahoo groups and elsewhere) have noticed this as well; so has originator of this post; and so has the CEO of this site.

No matter how much the masons and their shills play dumb, ATS - as is finally realized by many - is a haven for Freemasons.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 09:19 PM
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Ah yes, very good. You removed most of my post and stuck with the part that you agrred with. SOme common ground, I suppose.
However, you missed hte point. You could I suppose consider ATS a haven since it's fairly tolerant as a rule, though the members aren't.
But when it comes down to numbers, like I said, there are maybe ten Masons in this thread, i'm going to say maybe twenty or so around the site. Probably a bit more than that.
I don't know how many of the members are Christian, announced or otherwise, Athiest, ect.
Based on the circumstances that ATS creates, and coupled with the general anti-masonic feel you've mentioned in many forums, as well as ATS' overall popularity and the fact that many of the threads deal with Masons specificly, it's more relative opinion on wether or not the number is disportionate.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men





No matter how much the masons and their shills play dumb, ATS - as is finally realized by many - is a haven for Freemasons.


I know I witnessed about half a dozen sites or more that claim that Mason's are using this place as a filter, essentially getting rid of anyone who is capable of penetrating their systems. At the Illuminatus Observor, there is a reference to the author being banned, and the whole Synchromystic genre can be seen to be riddled with references to how their information would never be acceptable here.

I don't know much about the Mason's here and very little of their information appears to be useful. Seems as if you want to get information nowadays, you have to look outside.

Asking a Mason to be in constant denial of information and then listening to their demands to "believe them because they are Masons" gets a bit old and tiring. I heard you could get your degrees by paying a fee and attending a mass get together where just being there gets you your degree.

The "Craft" appears to be dummied down and the only way to get information are from the renegades like this Dennis Fetcho.

I liked what he had to say here regarding Masonry,


You become wise when you realize that millions of people have come before you in the development of the Construct and the preservation of same. Each of these were in search of their own "Holy Grail". Some of these people are well known, say a "Da Vinci", but in the United States alone, Masonry and its adherents numbered in the millions of people. Even if a small percentage of these people came to understand the Construct, say 2%, the numbers of those preserving and advancing and refining these inherent truths numbered in the 100's of thousands of people over a series of interlocking generations.

These people, knowing the war against ignorance is as keeping the sea at bay, practiced and set down the foundation of "Truth" in silence, and you can be assured that somewhere cells are operating in silence to continue to preserve this knowledge even in the face of egregious affronts to "these gods" to whom these cells are beholden. - The Gra and the Holy Grail


What this is saying is making sense.

[edit on 20-5-2008 by android1296]



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 06:36 AM
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talking about ats and masonic links, it is to believed that most uk spies or these days intelligence operatives as they are know, are linked via the brotherhood, and if my memory serves me correctly this site is owned by a rather big one of those.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 09:04 AM
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Just after I became a mason, the ATS members all contacted me and infomed me I had to join. I didn't think I had a chioce!



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
reply to post by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
 


But when it comes down to numbers, like I said, there are maybe ten Masons in this thread, i'm going to say maybe twenty or so around the site. Probably a bit more than that.


What has been your general impression of the Mason's here? Are the clued in or clued out?

Do any Mason's here want to touch to expand on what is meant by ciphers and cryptograms? To me, I have seen nothing on the web like the Illuminatus Observor, so I suspect that the author has some inside track on what is going on.

Is it possible that Masonry is no longer able to control its central theme and so has lost its esoteric source?



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 11:30 AM
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LOL...

ok..

Masoniclight
Apak (rarely on)
Mirthful Me (Rarely on)
Bushidomason
Rockpuck (hey thats me!)
Trinityman (moved to another site I think)
Corsig (I know he moved to another site)
Fitzgibbon
Lost in the midwest
AugustusMasononicus
Josh Norton
Choronzon

I would say that is the entire list of truly active Masons on ATS..

There are several others that pop in say something every once and again, but for the most part, that list is the list of Masons who post most frequently. 2 of which no longer even post, and another 2 of which posts less then twice a month!

So seriously, drop this "ATS is infested with Masons!" bs.. it's childish, it's pathetic, and it's unbecoming.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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May I suggest that if the Masonic members are feeling dejected that at least one Mason might come forward and recommend literature that explains the exact purpose and position of the Lodges? I have viewed nothing of the sort so far. Surely if you are not the secretive underbelly of international society that Masons are so often accused of then why hasn't anyone come forward to put these accusations to rest in a cohesive manner?



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Exiled and Angry
May I suggest that if the Masonic members are feeling dejected that at least one Mason might come forward and recommend literature that explains the exact purpose and position of the Lodges? I have viewed nothing of the sort so far. Surely if you are not the secretive underbelly of international society that Masons are so often accused of then why hasn't anyone come forward to put these accusations to rest in a cohesive manner?


I can suggest a few great books on the subject:

"The Builders" by Joseph Fort Newton
"The Mens House" by Joseph Fort Newton
"A Comprehensive View of Freemasonry" by Henry Wilson Coil
"The Lodge and the Craft" by Rollin Blackmer

These four provide a firm foundation for Masonic study, and if you read these, you will actually know more about Masonry than many Masons do who don't study.

[edit on 20-5-2008 by Masonic Light]



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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You forgot Skyfloating and about 3 others, Masonic There.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 12:26 PM
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Duncan's ritual of Fremasonry

www.amazon.com...=cm_lmf_tit_5_rsrssi0

This book has all the "secrets" in it. Although it is more fun to learn them in the proper way. It is a super interesting read. But you have to read it backwards to learn about the animal sacrifices.




posted on May, 20 2008 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
if you read these, you will actually know more about Masonry than many Masons


Perhaps, but be forewarned, Exiled and Angry, if you find something in there that Masons consider disagreeable - that is, if you uncover more ammunition for an argument against Masonry - then they'll just regurgitate back at ya, the old standard: "those books and authors don't speak for Masonry; so shut your trap!"

They want to have their cake and eat it too.

Be prepared to chase your tail.

[edit on 20-5-2008 by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men]



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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Well...

They don't represent Masonry.

They represent themselves.. and their own opinions..

They might be good opinions.. or bad opinions.. they may be something I agree with or disagree with. But in the end, their opinion is no more official then my own, granted, more inclined and learned no doubt. If ML says it is a good read on Masonry and it will help you better understand Masonry then I trust that those books WILL help you to better understand Masonry.

But of course.. they don't represent Masonry. It's not THAT hard to understand.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
It's not THAT hard to understand.


Don't play intellectual superior with me; I'm afraid the shirt doesn't fit - you're a couple of sizes short.

Is subterfuge THAT hard to understand? How bout artifice?



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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Subterfuge.. sub fugere? .. Hmm.. No, not really that hard to understand at all.. I don't see what I wrote as being deceptive at all.

I thought it was written in plain English, using plain words. Not masking them in Latin or French words to be "subterfuge" with my meaning.

I can say anything, I can write a book, I can make a speech. I won't be speaking for Masonry, or Masons, or any Masonic body. I will be speaking for my self, as Masonry is different by perception, unmoldable and undefined. Then again, perhaps it is not, because that is MY perception, and I don't speak for masonry.

Artifice indeed.. at least.. some would find it tricky to understand, though I don't pander my words to the ignorant and uneducated but rather to more intellectual members out there who know how to comprehend what is said to them, not just read a word.

You sir, are vacuus. 'Cause I know you love Latin.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
that is MY perception


Great.

MY perception is that you and you're little gang of dress-up androgynies are foolish and pathetically anachronistic.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 02:28 PM
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And considering your perception does not include any personal belonging or activity within or even indirectly related to Masonry, your opinion is worth nothing at all.

In fact.

It's just a further display for your ignorance. To judge a group and it's people with zero understanding, knowledge, experience nor even a slight desire to TRY and learn ANYTHING.

It's ..

Pathetic. Really is. I judge people like you though, because I have sadly to much experience talk to (note, talking to not discussing) those with childish and immature thought processes. You preach your Christian, you judge others based on false information, lies, bigotry and ignorance. Guess that also makes you a hypocrite, not to mention a pathetic and sad excuse for a Christian.

I am sure..

Your God is proud.



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 02:32 PM
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Funny guy. me make words too



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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Jeeze, and I was about to congratulate you on being the first real Anti-Mason on the site that's not regurtitating the same garbage like the others.
Well, you're not regurtitaing but you ar einsulting.
If' you're trying to make Rockpuck look in the wrong, all you're doing is weakening your own arguments by acting like a kid.
Stop making insults and keep with the argumetns.
Rockpuck does have a point, ja book written about Masonry is not applicable to all Masons, just like not all Christians ect... follow their respective holy books or theorological texts or whatever applies.
ANd before you say aomething about "shill", no, at the moment I'm following the fellow with a better arguement, not a one line post or insults.

By the way, what was the original post about? Anyone remember?



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