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Originally posted by IchiNiSan
reply to post by slackerwire
Those who the Bush admin invaded to enrich his buddies and control the oil.
Didn't ignore it at all. Statistics showing those numbers aren't collected to the extent that an accurate number could be shown.
Specifically which ones?
If oil was the goal, why aren't we invading Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, Russia, or Qatar?
PS: The Constitution doesn't prohibit foreign nations from donating money.
Originally posted by IchiNiSan
So it is more conveniently to ignore this all together and bring up only the negative side of an open free trade.
Because you are already (kuwait and the like) or feel you are controlling those countries (Saudi Arab and the like), or simply had miss-judged the strength of the regime making it too late (Russia and the like).
This very comment is the trademark of double-standards and hypocrisy which is why anti-Americanism is increasing everywhere on this tiny planet.
The Chinese reaped especially big sums from commerce after 2001 because they enjoyed the best of all possible worlds — they took the benefits of being inside the large trading club without suffering much of the pain of adhering to the promises made to join it.
The West at first was tolerant, sending only small warnings to Beijing. The first was in March 2004 when Washington filed a WTO complaint against China's preferential refund of value added tax for domestically produced or designed integrated circuits. Beijing had no leg to stand on and quickly repealed the offending tax break. Nevertheless, the Chinese did not take the hint. In February 2006, America warned China that its informal grace period was over, and, after more Chinese foot dragging, Washington and Brussels took the unprecedented step of jointly filing a complaint at the end of March. The case targeted China's discriminatory auto-parts tariffs. Although the tariffs are indefensible, Beijing has refused to repeal them.
Then last week America filed two more WTO complaints. One concerned the piracy of foreign intellectual property. China makes about 70% of all the counterfeit goods in the world. The Chinese government not only benefits from and protects this massive theft, it also participates in the counterfeiting as a manufacturer and distributor. Despite more than a decade of Western efforts to reduce Chinese piracy, the problem is getting worse, not better.
China's thievery is probably the biggest crime of all time, and criminal activities are now so tightly interwoven into the fabric of the economy and society that they have become integral to the maintenance of the country's political system. As a result of the pervasiveness of the problem, no WTO complaint can ever provide a remedy.
Originally posted by slackerwire
So we should extol all of the positive virtues of open free trade? Should we focus on lost American jobs, unsafe products, or having a trade deficit with a communist nation?
We invaded Kuwait? Really? When? How many casualties did we inflict?
If we controlled SA, why would Bushy need to ASK them to increase production?
You live in China correct? Hence you couldnt possibly comprehend the idea of the people controlling the government, and what said government does with OUR money.
Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Maybe if you rationally analyze it you might see more positive than negative? Who knows.
We invaded Kuwait? Really? When? How many casualties did we inflict?
If we controlled SA, why would Bushy need to ASK them to increase production?
Nope, I meant "already controlling" countries like Kuwait.
As for Saudi Araba this is why I said "you are feeling you are controlling" them, so no invasion was required. I bet Bush was shocked to see Saudi Arab donated 50 million USD and another 10 million USD worth of relief supplies to China. Since this is all politics, so it was like telling to the Americans, "I am befriended with the guy that you are trying to tell the world is a danger." Seems like states are swinging more and more to their own benefits instead of only being the lapdog of a "superpower", especially not of a depressed one anymore.
Interesting how you do try to avoid real discussions, and not mention Russia for example
You are making me laugh dude, I now have a feeling why America is destroying herself. No wonder with so many ignorant people. I will refer you to my signatures. Wake up buddy and listen to less propaganda.
Originally posted by slackerwire
Which positives would those be?
If free, open trade was beneficial to each nation, China wouldn't have had to devalue their currency would they?
Again, if we controlled them, an increase in petroleum output would have already happened. The facts do not substantiate your claims.
What has nationalism and pointing out the miss-judgment of the Bush regime for the uprising of the Russians and Putin, who decided to kick out all Western oil companies and reform the and re-centralize the Russian energy industry, to do with each other?
Need I point out your avoidance of questions? Please child, stick to the topic at hand without inserting your BS nationalistic crap into it. What would you like to know about Russia?
Specifically, which propaganda do you think I am listening to?
Originally posted by IchiNiSan
Actually do you know when and why China devalued the currency and pegged it to the USD in the first place?
Again, if we controlled them, an increase in petroleum output would have already happened. The facts do not substantiate your claims.
What has nationalism and pointing out the miss-judgment of the Bush regime for the uprising of the Russians and Putin, who decided to kick out all Western oil companies and reform the and re-centralize the Russian energy industry, to do with each other?
And if you mean avoiding questions, I presumed you would know that innocent countries is Afghanistan and Iraq.
Originally posted by slackerwire
I dont bring up issues I am not knowledgeable in. China devalued it for a few reasons actually, but the chief factor was to make it cheaper for them in terms of production.
Well according to you, we control Saudi Arabia, which has the largest oil reserves on the planet.
Putin is nothing more than a fascist criminal.
You may want to look up the definition of innocent.
Unless that is, you consider a nation that fires surface to air missiles at jets patrolling agreed upon no fly zones to be innocent.
Afghanistan? Innocent? You're kidding right?
Originally posted by jasonjnelson
Okay.