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posted on May, 18 2008 @ 04:24 PM
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Found this article on Reuters and couldn’t stop laughing, so I figured I’d post some of the more humorous parts of it.

The very fact that there is someone whose job title is “racism investigator” shows exactly how worthless the UN is.

Now, from the article:

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The special rapporteur will…gather first-hand information on issues related to racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance,” a U.N. statement said on Friday.


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A U.N. panel which examined the U.S. record on racial discrimination last March urged the United States to halt racial profiling of Americans of Arab, Muslim and South Asian descent and to ensure immigrants and non-nationals are not mistreated.


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In a report last year he said Islamophobia had grown worldwide since the September 11 2001 attacks on the United States, carried out by al-Qaeda militants.


Now, I don’t believe in racism, but what in the blue hell does this racism investigator intend to accomplish?

Everyone knows the UN is a joke, and I don’t believe anyone actually takes them seriously. Racism is an opinion, and there is nothing wrong with an individual holding a certain opinion, no matter how unpopular that view may be.

In my experience, whenever someone drops the word “intolerance”, it usually follows factually negative stories about immigrants or minorities.

Did anyone ever happen to think the growth of “worldwide islamophobia” is the result of muslims being involved in just about every conflict currently happening on the planet?

Why shouldn’t certain immigrants be put under more scrutiny? Why shouldn’t racial profiling be used on a daily basis? Political correctness will lead to the end of this nation.

Perhaps the UN would like to see muslims attempt to destroy this nation within like they are currently doing in Denmark.

Maybe this “racism investigator” will suggest something like I saw in an ad on Myspace:

“Treatment programs” for racism




Treatments for an opinion? Sounds a little like the infamous Vietnamese “re-education camps” doesn’t it?

One thing is for sure, as soon as that racism investigator steps foot into an American city, he should be picked up by local law enforcement, and driven straight out of town. People like this need to be shown that the UN bullcrap doesn’t fly here.




posted on May, 19 2008 @ 12:31 AM
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Hmmm, not a single comment?

Should the U.S. just belly up and follow along with any of this investigators "suggestions"?



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 02:57 AM
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I think he points out important facts. America, and the Western countries in general are quite racist. We first got here and immediately proceeded to killing close to 60 million natives. (granted many of them were killed [unwillingly?] by our deceases)

Yet here, we celebrate one of the biggest mass murderer in history every year on Columbus Day.

The father of the country and the richest American at his time, George Washington signed a number of treaties with American natives which he had absolutely no intention of fulfilling. To my knowledge, none of the original treaties were adhered to.

The country was build largely on the sweat of African-Americans, which we enslaved and the Chinese which instead of paying when the job was done, we would simply throw those who survive the brutal manual labor off a cliff.

Today, Islamophobia is rampant even here on ATS. For example check out the following post which at present has gathered 9 stars from ATSers who apparently agree with its content:


I'm sorry but these savages in the Sudan look for any reason to oppress anyone that is not Muslim. I'm sure they will rape her before beating her.

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I have used the "alert" feature on this post at the time, but apparently ATS staff doesn't believe this post to be against the T&C.

Is it racist? Replace the terms used above and it becomes fairly obvious:

"I'm sorry but these savages in Israel look for any reason to oppress anyone that is not Jewish. I'm sure they will rape her before beating her."

However since there is zero-tolerance for antisemitism on ATS, I'm pretty certain that post would've been deleted. Why the distinction? Is bashing Islam tolerated on ATS? In America in general?


[edit on 19/5/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23


I think he points out important facts. America, and the Western countries in general are quite racist.


Youre kidding right? If we were so racist, minorities wouldnt have equal, and in some cases, more rights than whites. If we were so racist, minorities wouldnt enjoy a higher standard of living here than they do in their home nations would they?



The father of the country and the richest American at his time, George Washington signed a number of treaties with American natives which he had absolutely no intention of fulfilling. To my knowledge, none of the original treaties were adhered to.


Specifically, which treaties are you referring to?


The country was build largely on the sweat of African-Americans, which we enslaved and the Chinese which instead of paying when the job was done, we would simply throw off a cliff.


Largely? You may want to study history some more.


Today, Islamophobia is rampant even here on ATS. For example check out the following post which at present as gathered 9 stars from ATSers who apparently agree with its content:


Muslims have pretty much proven they are incapable of living in a western, civilized nation. Need examples? Check out France, Denmark, England, and the Netherlands.

Now, does that mean ALL of them are incapable? Certainly not, just the majority of.

Importing large numbers of them into any western nation has never proven to be beneficial to said nation.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Muslims have pretty much proven they are incapable of living in a western, civilized nation.
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Now, does that mean ALL of them are incapable? Certainly not, just the majority of.


Nice one.

Good luck with your thread, Sir.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:13 AM
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You could always prove me wrong ya know.....


I won't be holding my breath.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:14 AM
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Dam straight and good find. Talk about rediculous politcal correctness guilt appeasing BS.

Islam is a militant relgion. Mohammad was a soldier. Radical Islam is what we are seeing with the Taliban, Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah etc. Anyone NOT Muslim is an Infadel and either converts or dies.

Hence, you get "Holy Soldiers" or "Soldiers of Isalm"

Technology + Radical Islam = out of control

[edit on 19-5-2008 by jetxnet]



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 04:25 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
You could always prove me wrong ya know.....


Could I? We both know your mind is made up and you believe Muslims are the scum of the Earth. (well "just the majority" of them) There's absolutely nothing I could say to change your mind. (hence, my reason for originally opting out of this thread. I still regret having taken your "bait" in what is surely to become yet another Muslim bashing thread)

However, if you are interested in George Washington and the history of the US, feel free to check out Noam Chomsky's Year 501, in which he writes: (bold emphasis mine)


George Washington wrote in 1783 that "the gradual extension of our settlements will as certainly cause the savage, as the wolf, to retire; both being beasts of prey, tho' they differ in shape." What is called in official PC rhetoric "a pragmatist," Washington regarded purchase of Indian lands (typically, by fraud and threat) as a more cost-effective tactic than violence.


America has historically (as other countries) used racism to justify genocide. We see this currently used against the Muslim people. Most probably because they happen to be sitting on all that oil. (like the Native who were previously occupying resource rich lands)


Largely? You may want to study history some more.


Slavery was instrumental in America's economic development and making it the nation it is today. Any historian will concur.

In addition to Chomsky, you might want to check out Howard Zinn or David Stannard. But again, we both know you won't.


[edit on 19/5/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 04:54 AM
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well muslin and western nations differ to a very large degree; in that muslim countries follow the dictates of law that is from their holy bok the quoran and western nations differ in this aforementioned regard because most western nations were founded on the principle of mystery thought coptic christianity, the quoran and the mystery school thought coptic christian base is the same but the implication and process of law and justice is entirely different for the differing nations. so to say that people of different beliefs regarding how they feel their society should be justly managed on the basis of holy books is not racist. but profiles and the like that is "new" to some form of "new" americans is not a "racial" specific issue that can be attributed to a specific "race". if anything the law and the way america is regulated the profiling steems from the subset of the minds of the people entering america.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Youre kidding right? If we were so racist, minorities wouldnt have equal, and in some cases, more rights than whites. If we were so racist, minorities wouldnt enjoy a higher standard of living here than they do in their home nations would they?


Have you ever heard of divide and conquer? Only those within the socio-economic stratas that permit access to legal representation have equal rights. It is not universal.

I note that you imply that you do not regard ethnic minorities to be equal citizens. I am sure that most consider themselves at home and obviously in the case of African-Americans as 'at home' as their 'white' counter-parts, more so in some cases. After all none of them are indigenous.

As far as the 'Muslim Question' is concerned, the West is being psychological prepared for the brutalisation and annihilation of Islamic rule. Whether that preparation is put into practice will depend on if we in the West are willing to look the other way and in some case participate more actively. Here on ATS there is indeed an indication that this will not be too much of a hard ship for some. Most are seemingly willing to accept that the Muslims are the enemy and to fall hook line and sinker for the dehumanising propaganda.

I don't agree with any form of extremism OR generalisation. However, as often as not, my enemies enemy is my friend.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23

Could I? We both know your mind is made up and you believe Muslims are the scum of the Earth. (well "just the majority" of them) There's absolutely nothing I could say to change your mind. (hence, my reason for originally opting out of this thread. I still regret having taken your "bait" in what is surely to become yet another Muslim bashing thread)


You could easily prove me wrong by showing a single instance of large amounts of muslims immigrating to a western nation and NOT causing problems. A single instance where said immigration has been beneficial to the host nation.


However, if you are interested in George Washington and the history of the US, feel free to check out Noam Chomsky's Year 501, in which he writes: (bold emphasis mine)


Sorry, I prefer to use unbiased sources that dont have an agenda. Chomsky doesnt come anywhere close to matching that requirement.



America has historically (as other countries) used racism to justify genocide. We see this currently used against the Muslim people. Most probably because they happen to be sitting on all that oil. (like the Native who were previously occupying resource rich lands)


There mere fact you think we are committing genocide against muslims ends this little debate right here. You simply do not live in reality, nor do you deal in fact.




Slavery was instrumental in America's economic development and making it the nation it is today. Any historian will concur.


No doubt about that, but you stated the country was built largely on the sweat of black slaves. That simply isnt the case.


In addition to Chomsky, you might want to check out Howard Zinn or David Stannard. But again, we both know you won't.



First Chomsky, now you want be to read Zinn and Stannard?

Just out of curiosity, do you ever read anything written by anyone who isnt a self hating white leftist?



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Have you ever heard of divide and conquer? Only those within the socio-economic stratas that permit access to legal representation have equal rights. It is not universal.


Actually everyone has equal rights, as everyone can get legal representation. Now, those with the resources can afford a higher quality of representation, just as they can afford nicer cars, houses, etc etc. It's about quality.


I note that you imply that you do not regard ethnic minorities to be equal citizens. I am sure that most consider themselves at home and obviously in the case of African-Americans as 'at home' as their 'white' counter-parts, more so in some cases. After all none of them are indigenous.


If they identify themselves as Americans, then by all means I consider them equals. Those who designate themselves as "hyphenated" Americans, I have no use for. They are the ones contributing to the division.


As far as the 'Muslim Question' is concerned, the West is being psychological prepared for the brutalisation and annihilation of Islamic rule. Whether that preparation is put into practice will depend on if we in the West are willing to look the other way and in some case participate more actively. Here on ATS there is indeed an indication that this will not be too much of a hard ship for some. Most are seemingly willing to accept that the Muslims are the enemy and to fall hook line and sinker for the dehumanising propaganda.


Muslims would greatly help their cause if they wouldnt continue proving the stereotype true.

I don't agree with any form of extremism OR generalisation. However, as



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 01:40 PM
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First Chomsky, now you want be to read Zinn and Stannard?

Just out of curiosity, do you ever read anything written by anyone who isn't a self hating white leftist?


You might be right, and I admit that I have an affinity for "left wing" sources. I tend to find "left" scholarship more reliable. I don't care much for the whole left-right paradigm, and frankly am a bit confused by the meaning of the terms. As I have come to see it the left focuses on the well-being of the group and the right focuses on the well-being of the individual. Such labels can be confusing. I have no idea if these people hate themselves.

If we could focus on the idea involved maybe we can have a more productive discussions.

I have a few questions for you.

1. What is Chomsky agenda? (I am not baiting you, I am generally interested to know. I once made a thread along those lines.)

2. What information could I read or view to understand why Muslims are for the majority unable to integrate in western civilization?

3. Do you have a solution? Should Muslims and the rest of the world be permanently separated? Should our oil companies pull out of their lands?



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout

Have you ever heard of divide and conquer? Only those within the socio-economic stratas that permit access to legal representation have equal rights. It is not universal.


Actually everyone has equal rights, as everyone can get legal representation. Now, those with the resources can afford a higher quality of representation, just as they can afford nicer cars, houses, etc etc. It's about quality.


You have just outlined Elitism not Equality!



Muslims would greatly help their cause if they wouldnt continue proving the stereotype true.


Most Muslims are too busy getting on with their day to day lives like the rest of us to worry about whether they are fulfilling the stereotypes that you have constructed about them. Many are kept in a state of ignorance by fundamentalist religious practices, as are many Christians in the US. Many are taught that the West wishes to destroy Islam and their way of life, historical and current events suggest that this is to some extent true. Yours and their ignorance fans the flames.

Over the course of my life I have met a number of Muslims, all from very different walks of life. As you would expect they vary greatly in outlook, attitude and lifestyle. There is no such thing as a stereotypical Muslim, unless of course you believe the force feed you receive from the main stream mass media. I don't. I prefer to form my own opinion and treat each individual that I meet as just that, an individual.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23



You might be right, and I admit that I have an affinity for "left wing" sources. I tend to find "left" scholarship more reliable.


More reliable, or more in line with your own belief system?




1. What is Chomsky agenda? (I am not baiting you, I am generally interested


Well for starters, socialism. Thats bad enough right there, would you like me to continue?


2. What information could I read or view to understand why Muslims are for the majority unable to integrate in western civilization?


Instead of reading a specific piece, try doing some research into the problems muslims are causing in Europe. They are unable to integrate for a few reasons, most notably their religion. They also tend to come from uh "less than modernized" nations. Dropping large numbers of 3rd world people into a modern day society isnt a good idea, nor is it beneficial. I'd suggest checking out the major newspaper sites from various European nations.


About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in France's prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country's population.

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In Britain, 11 percent of prisoners are Muslim in contrast to about 3 percent of all inhabitants, according to the Justice Ministry. Research by the Open Society Institute, an advocacy organization, shows that in the Netherlands 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim; the country is about 5.5 percent Muslim. In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace, the research found.

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I can provide quite a few more sources if you would like.


. Do you have a solution?


Yes. Western nations must finally say "screw you" to the ideas of political correctness and "diversity is a good thing". They are nothing more than emotion based touchy feely garbage. It's time they start looking out for their own best interests.

Those who would oppose such an idea need to come to terms with the fact that life isnt fair.


Should Muslims and the rest of the world be permanently separated?


Yes, by whatever means necessary.


Should our oil companies pull out of their lands?


That should be left to the parties involved (aka oil corps. and muslim nations). If they want to negotiate a deal, that is up to them, however the oil corps must not be able to influence governmental policy, which is why I believe any and all lobbyists should be banned.

All forms of immigration to modern nations from Islamic nations needs to be halted immediately.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout



You have just outlined Elitism not Equality!


Am I an elitist because I drive a fairly expensive luxury car?




Yours and their ignorance fans the flames.


Exactly what am I ignorant about?


There is no such thing as a stereotypical Muslim,


How much time have you spent in the mideast?



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
More reliable, or more in line with your own belief system?

Just more reliable. Especially for me as a conspiracy theorist. I'm sure it doesn't surprise you to hear that many CTs don't provide sources, or they use highly suspicious sources. (ie Jim Marrs quoting David Icke)

I give more weight to Chomsky's statements than I would say, Jordan Maxwell's for example because of the quality of Chomsky's research. Also, Chomsky always gives his sources. (good scholarship)

If you don't believe George Washington's words quoted by Chomsky above, you can check his sources for yourself. However, you have already chosen to completely dismiss Washington's words because you believe Chomsky "has an agenda." (a mistake on your part, IMO)


well for starters, socialism.

What aspect of it to you disagree with? Shouldn't we all look out for the welfare of the whole group? What exactly is wrong with altruism?
Why do you believe one individual to be more important than a whole society?

I'd love for you to tell me specifically what is wrong with Chomsky.


Yes. Western nations must finally say "screw you" to the ideas of political correctness and "diversity is a good thing".

So should people be segregated according to race, religion or nationality?


[edit on 20/5/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on May, 20 2008 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Am I an elitist because I drive a fairly expensive luxury car?


Not necessarily, but you may be an elitist if that is how you mark your success as a human being. Equality is not about possessions and the ascension of the socio-economic ladder in order to receive 'better quality service or representation'. How in any shape or form is that equal?

Access to the means of ascending the socio-economic ladder to attain the higher quality of representation, is not equal. If you are poor, a minimum wage earner for example, you have less access to and a lower quality of representation. These people form the back bone of any society, but they do not have equal access and they do not have social mobility. They do and will sacrifice their own well-being and lives for their children. Working long hours, going without to help their children 'get out' of the 'poverty trap' - but it is getting harder and the gap between the haves and the have nots is broadening.

I personally believe that every contributing member of a society is important and that their labours should be adequately rewarded and that they should have a quality of life reflective of their contribution. I am going off topic and verging near to a rant...I apologies.


Originally posted by slackerwire

There is no such thing as a stereotypical Muslim,


How much time have you spent in the mideast?


So when you say stereo-typical Muslim you really mean stereo-typical Arab? I think that you will find that most Muslims are not of Arabic descent, ie they are not semitic. So you are not so much anti-Muslim perhaps as anti-semitic? This is of course current US policy so I am sure your mind-set is very compatible with the 'Elites' of the US.

[edit on 20-5-2008 by KilgoreTrout]



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