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posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Bunch


But IMO this has the hand of Rove and Cheney all over it, this is how they operate, FEAR!!



Maybe the Obama's should have been more careful with their associations and of what they said so that Rove and Cheney wouldn't have anything to get their hands on.




posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by wutone
the Clintons are as devious as the come.

Very much so. Karl Rove is #1 in line for possible fake-rumor people, but followed closely by the Clintons. They know how to do these things and they know how to do them very well.


Originally posted by wutone
Maybe the Obama's should have been more careful with their associations and of what they said so that Rove and Cheney wouldn't have anything to get their hands on.


Rezko runs deep. Ayers is an unrepentant pentagon bomber. Yes ... there is plenty of fodder being handed to Rove. It's a gold mine.
I'm sure he's like a kid in a candy store.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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Back to the original post -- the one that started this thread. If Rove has such a tape of Michelle Obama, it certainly doesn't surprise me that the Republicans would use it. Moreover, it would suddenly get "discovered" at exactly the right time, about 5 days before the election.

To think the Democrats wouldn't do the same thing is naive.

I still wouldn't vote for McCain, though, even if there is such a tape.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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reply to post by kosmicjack
 


two staars and two
.. awsome post



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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The republicans at Free Republic are talking about this tape. They seem to think it isn't Rove but instead is a set up by Hillary.


Someone we have left out of the discussion - Uncle Rev. Wright. Prehaps HE is the one that either got the tape or leaked the rumor. Considering the fall out he and Obama have (allegedly) had ... if he's sour grapes enough then he could bring Obama down.



[edit on 5/19/2008 by FlyersFan]



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by wutone

Originally posted by Bunch


But IMO this has the hand of Rove and Cheney all over it, this is how they operate, FEAR!!



Maybe the Obama's should have been more careful with their associations and of what they said so that Rove and Cheney wouldn't have anything to get their hands on.


I'm going to let you and the rest in on a little secret I discovered long ago. The biggest weakness of scheming elitists such as Obama and the rest of these people trying to win or steal their way to victory is this:

Ready?

They never, ever even remotely consider the possibilty that someone else could be doing the same thing to them.

We all work with (or go to school with
) people like this. So, try it for yourself on someone that truly deserves it, I guarantee that they will never see it coming.



[edit on 5/19/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Someone we have left out of the discussion - Uncle Rev. Wright. Prehaps HE is the one that either got the tape or leaked the rumor. Considering the fall out he and Obama have (allegedly) had ... if he's sour grapes enough then he could bring Obama down.
[edit on 5/19/2008 by FlyersFan]


Well why not?

Obama sat in the pew listening to this guy for 20 years and now he wants to somehow disown him for political power.

This tape thing is very interesting, I hope that the mere speculation of the tape will actually get people to start asking hard and legit questions about the agenda of the Obama's.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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"Few spouses...." Jack my man do some more history digging. Almost every First Lady and potential First Lady has had to put up with this kinda crap. Its politics as usual and if the family can't stand the heat, and brush it off like Obama did during one of his rallys, then they should get out of the race. Running for President is no place for wimps.

Consider Lincoln's wife, who was from the South. She was repeatedly suspected of treason by giving campaign secrets to the Confederacy, which she didn't.

Consider Jackie Kennedy, who was considered a naieve "clothes horse" turning a blind eye to her husband's infidelities.

If Barack wants politicians to lay off his family, he'd better rein in his family because he hasn't even been nominated yet. If he is, all bets are off and anything is postable here at ATS according to the First Amendment.

(Personally I wouldn't put it past Rat Rove to have such a tape. And I wouldn't put it past Michelle to have said what she did, if she did. Its just more backpeddling that Barack will have to do. He's already becoming a master at it. Look at the tongue slips Ronnie Raygun fired off. Barack's family is no different- politicians through and through.)



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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Personally, I hope Obama get's angry enough to say, screw it, I'm coming clean.

I'm getting paid to be a shill for the elitist masonic illuminati Commonwealth.

If he did, I would vote for him in a heartbeat, cause I actually kinda like the guy.

But, having said that, I can't stand the way the black population jumps on the bandwagon with him, simply because he's black.

Who's the prejudice hear. I call em both out. Blacks, and Whites.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Ameneter
reply to post by FlyersFan
 

When individuals of a racial group get together it is common practice for them to refer to other races in the vernacular. It does not mean they are racist. Blacks use the N-word frequently when referring to other Blacks and the W-word when referring to Whites. This does not make them racist. It's the context in which the words are used that is important and also the public stature of the individual making the remarks.


This here is physco-babble folks...

If I used the N word in a context that wasn't derogatory (How would I do that) and I used it in the company of a bunch of "African Americans" I would be jumped.

How do you use the N word or "Whitey" without being racist? I don't have a collage education and I understand this... Are you saying Michelle doesn't understand this but is "highly educated?" If that's what education is we are in trouble in this country...

What you are doing is trying to justify an ugly black woman inside and out. She sure the hell isn't African American. She is just another black American hating communist...



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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Yes he has ties to the mob I posted the names on another thread, didn't post the links,but you can google.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
Wow, the political process in action. Smear, the way of today. I have no ownership in this election but the process is making me puke. Nothing about issues, just GET THE DIRT!!!!! Anyone that votes because of tripe like this get the government they deserve.


You may call it dirt, but what about the facts?
Is the dirt true?

I don't see anyone being nice to the other candidates, they are fair game but Obama is not?

Are the facts dirt,? if he is a dirty politician we should just ignore it?



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull

All I'm really trying to say is that rather than talk about and confront him on real issues, (which I would applaud any conflict that was well founded in fact and had real value) Americans, especially those who run the media in this country, have torn him apart on petty little issues that have no relevance.


I would agree with you that the lapel pin thing is petty when it comes to addressing the real issues, but the problem I have is that he reacted and allowed himself to give into peer pressure.

This proves he is very easily swayed by public opinion and especially proves he does not have a backbone whatsoever.

If he doesn't think he should even have to wear a flag lapel pin or follow proper protocol during the singing of our National Anthem then he should explain and tell us why, plain and simple.

Regardlss of how you feel about Bush I'm sure we can all agree he could care less about about what the public thinks about him. Whether you think he is wrong or right we all know he at least sticks to his guns. Even the haters should give him credit for that.

Stick to your guns Barack and grow a pair, or borrow them from Michelle if you have to, whichever is easier for you, ...please!!



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610
Lets just imagine that Cindy McCain or Hillary Clinton wrote the following in thesis at an Ivy League University.

“Earlier in my college career, there is no doubt in my mind that as a member of the White community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my “Whiteness” than ever before."

“With the increasing integration of Blacks into the mainstream society, many ‘integrated whites’ have lost touch with the White culture in their attempts to become adjusted and comfortable in their new culture—the Black culture. Some of these Whites are no longer able to enjoy the qualities which make White culture so unique or are unable to openly share their culture with other Whites because they have become so far removed from these experiences and, in some instances, ashamed of them as a result of their integration.”

(Above is a parody on the thesis written by Michelle Obama located
here "http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdf" )


I must say, after reading this adaptation, that I was shocked at how very accurate these two paragraphs have become for the white community.

While we could continue to exchange the words "black" for "white" and vise versa in Mrs. Obama's thesis, I don't think this thread will make it long enough for us to have an open, honest and mature discussion of this topic (race) without half the participants getting their underwear in a bunch, which is very sad!

There have been other posts locked that contained similar subject matter (race) and I continue to ask "why?" Who's feelings are being "protected" anyway? Don't we all have the right to speak what we think without "fear" of having our thoughts be dubbed "racist", "off topic", "not suitable for this forum", or any other excuse to redirect posters from "touchy" subjects?

There is a separate reality going on in America. It seems perfectly acceptable for everyone to discuss race without being labeled "racist" except the white community.

I am no racist, but certainly a realist. If we can't talk about this subject openly and honestly how can we expect relationships between the two communities to really ever evolve?

Just my two cents...



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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I wish I could give you a thousand stars, well put,

I am tired of being called a racist because I don't think Obama is honest, to put it lightly,

I don't like any politician, so I don't know who I would vote for.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by biggie smalls
Ah now you're calling me naiive. Come on now. From the start I was skeptical of the Obama campaign. I do believe out of the 3 'choices' we have as Americans, he is the best one.

That does not mean I'm groveling at his feet or lining up to polish his balls. No way.

One has to wonder what the motivation is behind a racism tape that Karl Rove has obtained.

He is election-rigger extraordinaire. Why should I believe a word that comes out his mouth?

P.S. Hell is merely a state of mind. The ignorant and hateful find their way there every day.

[edit on 5/18/2008 by biggie smalls]


Does it really matter who is revealing or why the tape might be revealed? If this is true, this tape needs to be exposed!



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by lucien
 



I wish I could give you a thousand stars, well put,

I am tired of being called a racist because I don't think Obama is honest, to put it lightly,

I don't like any politician, so I don't know who I would vote for.


Thank you!

Personally I don't like any politicians either. It has nothing to do with race. Who brought race into it anyway? To me, this shows just how severe race relations are in America. It seems that for every question of Senator Obama (his campaign, his wife, his pastor, his religion, his experience, his ability) there is a rebuttal on the premise of "racism".

If I, as an American, cannot speak my mind without having my thoughts and opinions cast as "racist", then am I not "repressed"?

Contrary to belief by some, the majority of white people who wish to openly discuss matters of race are not "racist". I do not wish repression on any race, mine included!



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by lucien
I am no racist, but certainly a realist. If we can't talk about this subject openly and honestly how can we expect relationships between the two communities to really ever evolve?


The pendulem has swung from one extreme to the other, and it isn't going to stop anytime soon. How long will people put up with this new extreme, that is the question. What will happen when they get tired of it?

I don't think it will get better (assuming thats what you mean by evolve) as much as it will become a secondary issue as the demographics of the country change.



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by lucien
I am no racist, but certainly a realist. If we can't talk about this subject openly and honestly how can we expect relationships between the two communities to really ever evolve?


The pendulem has swung from one extreme to the other, and it isn't going to stop anytime soon. How long will people put up with this new extreme, that is the question. What will happen when they get tired of it?

I don't think it will get better (assuming thats what you mean by evolve) as much as it will become a secondary issue as the demographics of the country change.


I agree with you. People don't feel comfortable speaking what they think, so the "repression" of the white race, due to events that happened before the majority of us were born, will continue. I'm sure many are already tired of it. Just as I'm sure there are many who will not speak what they think for fear of losing their jobs, being cast as "racist" or "politically incorrect".

I have been seeking a forum where this topic can be discussed in a mature, responsible manner but have yet to find anything. I believe most are afraid to even touch the subject much less examine the issue of white "repression". By mature, responsible manner I mean not racist. Does anything exist? Probably not. Too much fear of being falsely labeled!



posted on May, 19 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Thank you!

Personally I don't like any politicians either. It has nothing to do with race. Who brought race into it anyway? To me, this shows just how severe race relations are in America. It seems that for every question of Senator Obama (his campaign, his wife, his pastor, his religion, his experience, his ability) there is a rebuttal on the premise of "racism".

If I, as an American, cannot speak my mind without having my thoughts and opinions cast as "racist", then am I not "repressed"?

Contrary to belief by some, the majority of white people who wish to openly discuss matters of race are not "racist". I do not wish repression on any race, mine included!




My reply-

I agree you are not a racist - nor is Wright a racist.....people have to be able to express truth as they understand it - I may not agree with you across the board but its important for me to hear you out without taking offense - Big media has no interest in the truth...period....the tit for tat definition of racism is part of current media spin...has no basis in reality... but keeps us distracted from the core issues...

I honestly don't care who anyone votes for - its their business and a secret ballot....but when your talking about for example - the "Michelle tape" - your talking about big media, corporate owned swill pushing egg sucking howdy-doodies who kiss the ass of the rich and powerful on a daily basis....I wouldn't trust them to tell me the correct time let alone anything else...I unapologetically refuse to allow the media to frame my arguments or my thinking..and highly recommend this approach.


realshanti

[edit on 19-5-2008 by realshanti]





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