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This just shows the ignorance of the American people

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posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 10:56 PM
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Look at this poll... the American people are displaying their true stupidity here. They are okay with freedoms and rights being taken away by Bush.
pub.alxnet.com...

This is a poll my newspaper is holding (www.cnjonline.com). Look at the results.
Keep in mind I proxy voted about 5 votes for "No".

What a bunch of dumbasses.




posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 10:59 PM
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Gee? vs them being a ward of the socialistic UN? or slave to a host of banana republics?



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 10:59 PM
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uh... do you have even the slightest idea of how bad the drug problem in america's school is today? i live in detroit, and went to school in detroit. there's almost no escaping it. somehow i managed though.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by EliteXizer
Look at this poll... the American people are displaying their true stupidity here. They are okay with freedoms and rights being taken away by Bush.
pub.alxnet.com...

This is a poll my newspaper is holding (www.cnjonline.com). Look at the results.
Keep in mind I proxy voted about 5 votes for "No".

What a bunch of dumbasses.


and this posts just shows the ignorance of yourself. If you dont like america, go live somewhere else.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:05 PM
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Really EliteXizer?
I would beg to differ and then propose that further study into the 4th Amendment and what it 'really' implies:

" The conflict between a public school's right to drug test its students and a student's right to refuse such a test involves the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. A drug test is a search and the Fourth Amendment protects individuals from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. When students feel that a school drug test violates the Fourth Amendment, they can ask the courts to protect them.

When a student claims such a Fourth Amendment violation, the student must show that the person giving the drug test is a government actor. For example, children cannot claim that their parents have violated the Fourth Amendment when they search their rooms. In New Jersey v. T.L.O., 469 U.S. 325 (1985), the United States Supreme Court held that public school officials are government actors. Thus, if a public school conducts drug testing it must comply with the Fourth Amendment.

In Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives' Ass'n, 489 U.S. 602 (1989), the United States Supreme Court held that drug tests are searches. The Fourth Amendment does not protect students from all searches, but only searches that are unreasonable. In Vernonia School District v. Acton, 515 U.S. 646 (1995), the United States Supreme Court held that random drug tests of student-athletes were not unreasonable and that the school district had a legitimate interest in preventing students from using drugs. The Court also stated that students in the school environment have a lesser expectation of privacy than members of the general population."



More here:
"Drug Testing in Schools"
www.flcourts.org...



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 29-2-2004 by Seekerof]



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by theshadowknows
and this posts just shows the ignorance of yourself. If you dont like america, go live somewhere else.


Oh great reply there Shadow. You sure showed him
. Why is it that when someone criticizes something they see wrong with government policies in the United States some people instead of giving a real response resort to the good old "America, Love it or Leave it Comment" in order to avoid addressing the issue at hand?



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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There is no drug problem at the school I go to.

And I like America. I DON'T like Bush removing freedoms and the American people blindly going along with it.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
uh... do you have even the slightest idea of how bad the drug problem in america's school is today? i live in detroit, and went to school in detroit. there's almost no escaping it. somehow i managed though.

makes no sense that the people should have their rights taken away becasue some dumbasses give in to drugs. NO SENSE! People screw up and freedom is once again diminished to a mere partical. think about this in relation to the patriot act...



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:07 PM
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the drug situation is very bad in detroit.....

Detroit is the US murder capitol at the moment and alot of the violence has to do with the "Drug Trail", Manufaturing ,distribution, and comsumption.


How is trying to solve a problem being ignorant?

By the way ..... when i looked at the link only 52 people voted so you based you geniralization of the american people on the votes of 52 people out of a total of about 300 million...... plus you voted 5 times? u are a dumb arse!!!!!!


later,

Reason



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by REASON
the drug situation is very bad in detroit.....

Detroit is the US murder capitol at the moment and alot of the violence has to do with the "Drug Trail", Manufaturing ,distribution, and comsumption.


How is trying to solve a problem being ignorant?

By the way ..... when i looked at the link only 52 people voted so you based you geniralization of the american people on the votes of 52 people out of a total of about 300 million...... plus you voted 5 times? u are a dumb arse!!!!!!


later,

Reason


There must be a lot of dope moving between Detroit and Windsor right?



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
uh... do you have even the slightest idea of how bad the drug problem in america's school is today? i live in detroit, and went to school in detroit. there's almost no escaping it. somehow i managed though.


I dont see a problem as long as the child's parents approve of the test being done. I dont think of testing students without parental consent is a good idea.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:15 PM
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Canada has laxed laws on possesion of drug and I have seen alot of documentaries of how many canadian grow it and dump it over to the US.......


Drug are a big problem here.......

I dont know how it is in the rest of the US but in Jr. High school there are alot of kids that smoke weed.....

I'm not saying a majority do but it is a significant amount.


Not only do I not do drugs but I have never, ever even tried it. Not once. Only God knows how I did it for alot of my friend did smoke pot.

later,
Reason



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by REASON
Not only do I not do drugs but I have never, ever even tried it. Not once. Only God knows how I did it for alot of my friend did smoke pot.


Same here with me. I never tried any drugs EVER. And many of my friends used to smoke pot and all that stuff back in High School. But drugs are a big problem indeed. Although dont expect anything to be done about the problem by the government since the CIA is in charge of most of the drug trade worldwide.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by REASON
Canada has laxed laws on possesion of drug and I have seen alot of documentaries of how many canadian grow it and dump it over to the US.......


Drug are a big problem here.......

I dont know how it is in the rest of the US but in Jr. High school there are alot of kids that smoke weed.....

I'm not saying a majority do but it is a significant amount.


Not only do I not do drugs but I have never, ever even tried it. Not once. Only God knows how I did it for alot of my friend did smoke pot.

later,
Reason

if your gonna categorize weed as a drug you should count in alcohol cigarettes and fatty foods all are more lethal to a young kid.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:23 PM
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If people want to do drugs that is their decision, we can make help available if they need it to overcome an addiction..I am for legalization, or at least decriminalization just because it would reduce a lot of crimes. The more our government pushes the war on drugs, the more crime we will have in the whole drug trafficking chain..seekerof thanks for the good info on the court cases regarding school testing.



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:25 PM
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No offense but the idea of a drug is a substance imbibed, that causes one to have altered reality. Cigarettes do this mildly in the best of cases. Alcohol is different but it is a depressant and relaxant and that may be part of the reason that it is seen differently by the establishment.

I personally am not against weed but I know that many people would let it control their lives much like alcohol does for many people.


AF1

posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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So what happens to the kid if he fails a drug test?



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by THENEO
No offense but the idea of a drug is a substance imbibed, that causes one to have altered reality. Cigarettes do this mildly in the best of cases. Alcohol is different but it is a depressant and relaxant and that may be part of the reason that it is seen differently by the establishment.

I personally am not against weed but I know that many people would let it control their lives much like alcohol does for many people.


I agree with neo on this one and feel that weed is debatible but we need to draw a line some where.

Ever heard the old phrase "give them a pinky they take the whole arm". Same would happen with weed and other drugs. Legalize one and sooner or later we will have people push the barrier and try to legalize others......


Same with same sex marrages..... sooner or later the barrier will be pushed again and I will be alowed to marry my Dog.

later,
Reason

[Edited on 29-2-2004 by REASON]



posted on Feb, 29 2004 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by THENEO
No offense but the idea of a drug is a substance imbibed, that causes one to have altered reality. Cigarettes do this mildly in the best of cases. Alcohol is different but it is a depressant and relaxant and that may be part of the reason that it is seen differently by the establishment.

I personally am not against weed but I know that many people would let it control their lives much like alcohol does for many people.

it is true that people may be weak enough to let the drug to control their lives. but if i may get back to the main subject of letting public school test all the children it would be too expensive and the areas would be forced to build more 'bad children schools' the kids would eventualy find away around it and the last reason is that freedom is not something that can be rationed, if you say you live in a free country then act it but taking rights away from one more group is not free in my book.



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