Well, since this debate is not happening apparently, here is some of the stuff you've said in this thread that I find to be wrong.
Disagreements over morals does not make them relative at all. The morals do not change because mens perceptions of them do.
Perceptions are what create morals, Whammy. This is how morals are made in the first place.
Because you believe that the woman has an absolute moral right to control her own body. If your morality were relative you would not be offended by it
at all, you would say oh whatever... its no skin off my nose
But Whammy, you are appealing to OUR morals and making them appear to be 'absolute', when in fact, they are the morals which you and I have accepted
through our lives.
For you to say absolutism or anything is wrong - then you are saying that you know what is right - aren't you?.
No Whammy, not wrong, but INACCURATE. You are confusing the 2 words there. And I can say this because it's according to MY morals and beliefs.
Also consider this ss. For a relativist to have an opinion about anything you have to smuggle the objective moral law in the back door. How can you
say that A is better than B if you do not appeal to standard of truth? What does "better" mean?
Wrong again Whammy. Firstly, you should clarify what you mean by 'objective moral standard'. Secondly, people view right and wrong by the morals
they learn through life and influences. You are bridging a gap that is not crossable.
Is relativism right? Or is relativism just relative? Only to a relativist I guess.
Moral Relativism is circular logic.
Once again, Whammy, you are confusing 'right' with accuracy.
Relativism truly ends up with no morality at all - pure preferences.
Based off of what people are taught and what they learn through various factors of growing up.
Communism is founded on it
No, Whammy, it's not. I could just as easily say the same thing about your moral absolutism views, feeling that you are right and have
'discovered' the right ways and morals in the universe forces you to assume that anybody who disagrees with you is wrong or evil. Communism takes
people's freedoms by forcing them to behave or act in a certain way developed by oppressors who share the same type of belief system you do.
Without morals being relative, everyone in the world might as well have believed that Hitler's ways were right, but it's moral relativism that
stopped him. Differing beliefs. It's moral relativism that keeps the world honest, not absolutism, because, after all, who determines what the
absolutes will be?
Would you have the same views about Communism if you were a Chinese man living in China? Or is anybody who supports their societal structure wrong,
or just wrong in your eyes?
Lying is immoral and murder is immoral. That's not an opinion but a fact. Sorry relativists - that never changes. There's not situation that makes
lying moral .
According to who's morals? Once again, Whammy, you are trying to appeal to my own to use that as a means of getting me to agree that the above
statement is correct when it is in fact, not. That is, in fact, an opinion, and NOT a fact.
It is always relativism that causes despotism. If there are no absolute morals then morality is subject to personal opinion.
Once again, according to who's morals? It is people who view THEIR views above others, as you are showing here Whammy, who are responsible for
forcing their views upon others.
If the government passed a law that forces women to have rape babies - Then by the logic you used against me - it is it wrong for you to shout about
forcing women to have rape babies. After all you would be trying to force your view on others. We can't have that.
You are again trying to appeal to my morals which I have learned over time as to what I feel are the more appropriate ways to act.
Would others think US crazy for having ___________ illegal? (Fill in SEVERAL things here). You betcha.
In fact it is the objective Moral Law that both you and I are both appealing to make that judgement.
Perhaps you should correct that to say 'some of the shared moral views we have...'
It is somehow natural and yet evolution does not explain it. Evolution says we fight to survive. Morality tells us we "ought" to do something even
if it is not to our advantage.
Morality was ALSO created and passed along to help with survival.
Think of a Mexican apple thief. He's taught that stealing is wrong so that society can continue to function and people's apples and food and other
supplies don't just continue to get taken by others, and those beliefs are passed along through generations. Morals are created so that society and
civilization can function.
Morals are not 'discovered' like you have been trying to convince others of, they are not floating in the air waiting for you to find them, and then
forcing you to wait for the rest of the world to catch up. There are different ways to go about, this is where different cultures come in. Different
ways to evolve and handle things are real.
'Trounced' huh? Yeah right.