Originally posted by Rasobasi420

And your numbers are off centurion.

a very few people were kidnapped and decapitated by a very few muslims. If that's your case for judgment then lets burn the bible for the people the Klan hanged and burned in it's name. For that matter, lets burn the constitution in response to any atrocity committed by an American citizen.

Numbers? What numbers? Someone tried to make it look like only Americans are bad guys because 1 soldier shot up a koran. I just pointed out that what some muslims do is much worse. And I stand on those commets as being factual.

I also wanted to make one more point about the Quran. It's easy for us Westerners to compare it to the Bible because both are books of sacred texts. However, and I know this comparison will not sit well with most of you - the Qur' an should actually be compared more to Jesus than to the Bible. For Islam, the Qur'an is the final divine revelation of God. It is God's word made incarnate on the Earth - much in the same way Christians view Jesus. It is God's literal Word. If you're able to view this from their perspective, then it's not difficult to see how insulting this action actually was. So, no - it's not just a book...it's the entire Muslim religion that he was shooting at. What's really unfortunate is that the relationship between U.S.-backed Sunni militiamen and our military in this part of Baghdad was actually a positive progressive one. They were working together. This might have ended that progress all together.

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[edit on 18/5/08 by WickedStar]

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
To them it's more than a text, it's a symbol of the entire religion. Within it, is outlined all the adherences that every Muslim must make to live their lives according to the word of Allah.
Yes it may seem a little extreme or otherworldly, but that's how they've lived for over 1,500 years. Just respect it for god's sake.

Until every religious relic, book, symbol, whatever is given respect, why should anyone respect the Quran.

People have stuck a crucifix in piss and got taxpayer funding for it. To many Christians and especially Catholics, a crucifix is more than a statue, it is a symbol of an entire religion.

An artist getting taxpayer funding (what happened to seperation of church and state?) and a soldier shooting a quran is the same thing. Let us get rid of the double standard first before we argue on the morals of the issue.

Ahh another typical thread of muslim haters get-together

Surprisingly I couldn't find a post suggesting nukin all muslims

I am sick of hearing the rights the soldier has.What about the rights of those who have been bombed out to the max?

Its like Bush missing his golf over couple thousand dead US soldiers

Our military is designed to kill people and break things. The Kuran is the satanic writings of our mortal enemies. I say hoorah for the bravery of this soldier. He gives the exact amount of respect this death cult of Islam deserves.

This may be news to the multi-culturalists, but not all cultures or belief systems are created equally. The muslim religion specifically calls Jews pigs and admonishes it's adherents to slaughter rape and despoil unbelievers. By contrast , Jesus, in the New Testament of the Bible admonishes his followers to love their enemies and to do good to those who abuse you. Pop quiz:, which religion is more likely to be of God?

Thus while we can love the muslim, being a member of mankind and created in God's image, it's perfectly reasonable and honest to hate, despise, and ridicule the satanic religion that has enslaved him.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
Our military is designed to kill people and break things. The Kuran is the satanic writings of our mortal enemies. I say hoorah for the bravery of this soldier. He gives the exact amount of respect this death cult of Islam deserves.

This may be news to the multi-culturalists, but not all cultures or belief systems are created equally. The muslim religion specifically calls Jews pigs and admonishes it's adherents to slaughter rape and despoil unbelievers. By contrast , Jesus, in the New Testament of the Bible admonishes his followers to love their enemies and to do good to those who abuse you. Pop quiz:, which religion is more likely to be of God?

Thus while we can love the muslim, being a member of mankind and created in God's image, it's perfectly reasonable and honest to hate, despise, and ridicule the satanic religion that has enslaved him.

I have to ask you a question. Have you actually read the Quran, word for word? Or are these beliefs taught, just like our Bible, throughout different and various "Christian" religions to be segmented in thoughts and beliefs?

If you have not read the Quran, and no I have not, then you know nothing of what you speak. The Art of War teaches you to know and understand your enemies better so as to better be able to understand how to defeat him/her through their own beliefs, strengths, and weaknesses. Even if you totally disagreed with the book after having read it, you might actually learn to be a better soldier.

What I want to know is,


Why is peace always out of the question when we have never really bothered to try it?

If that solder can hit that god forsaken book at 100 yards or so, I want at least a division of them. That's fairly decent shooting.

Let's be real politically correct here. If it was a silhouette of a person running, one could make a very derogatory comment about a running black person. Would this even be news or reported or would the military just handle it in a very quiet manor which is the same as the satanic book issue should have been done.

I have a problem with the reporters making these reports just to stir up the already angry masses to build more hatred which means, more news and more money for reporting news.

If we had to fight WW2 in today's media, we would have to surrender as we are the only people who want to play fair in war.

Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment. As long as he actually owned it, he was within those rights to destroy that Quran, no matter how short sighted or counterproductive his actions may have been. I would imagine that the military was also well within its rights to discipline him for taking an action which could foster resentment and hatred against US troops.

Actually he doesn't. He has only the rights guaranteed him by the UCMJ. Constitutional Rights do NOT apply to military members.

I think in a campaign where we're supposedly trying to win hearts and minds, this comes as a major slap in the face to Muslims world wide.

This shows what just what kind of mentality US troops have. They have no respect for Iraqis or their religion.

Individual incidents like this makes one ask the question from where do these soldiers get their views and opinions about Islam from?

The media and politicians have a lot to answer for since their Islamophobic comments lead to their soldiers engaging in acts like this and worse.

You can legislate laws to appease the offended, but you can't legislate the (sick) Islamophobic minds of people. This is a matter between the soldier and his creator.

I've enjoyed the "freedom of religion" posts.

If the Muslims and the West's positions were reversed, do you think Christianity would exist any more? If they had the power to convert by the sword, they would.

Freedom of religion is our idea. They don't agree with it. Let's remember that.

Well I suppose every radical Muslim will want to go to war over this issue. A book can be destroyed but not the words so I hope they don't make a big deal out of it.

Originally posted by Attari
you can't legislate the (sick) Islamophobic minds of people. This is a matter between the soldier and his creator.

What a jump in (alleged) logic. Suddenly the guy is now 'Islamophobic'?

He couldn't possibly be just doing something stupid.
He couldn't possibly be just overworked and not thinking straight.
He couldn't possibly be bucking to get the heck out of Iraq.
He couldn't possibly be a wise-acre thinking he wouldn't get caught doing a prank (like many young people his age do).

He is suddenly 'Islamophobic'.
That has no logic and makes absolutely NO SENSE.