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US Soldier Uses the Quran for Target Practice

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posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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Man with a mental age of ten detonates a nail bomb in the toilet of a British restaurant. The Police blame the crime on members of the Religion of Peace who bullied and victimised him.

Which side do you want to be on?

Has I have said, it’s not the whole, just enough of them to fight the West. You’re a Muslim Phoenix. Why are you not as vocal as me when it comes to Islamic violence? I’m just the victim; they are doing this in your name yet you are giving them more of a pass than I am.

Islam will have to sort itself out or we will sort it ourselves. Has a Muslim it’s your choice.

And what is this?

‘Wow you actually have no clue what you are saying, that is awesome. Just so you can appear to know what is going on, Allah is god. If you are a Christian, Jew, or Muslim, you pray to the same god, no arguments allowed, it is a fact. Now moving on.’

Islam is the new boy in town as far as the others go. Copied and expanded it may be, but it is still a story book with pop out bloody pages.

I will defend my right to live my life in my way in my country without the Caliphatists threatening my mother or firing bombs at my father. That is my right and I will defend it to the death. If a Muslim down the road agrees fine, but if he won’t help us rid this land of his more extremists brethren then he has a choice. Tuck in and help or leave. You can’t hope for political victory while denouncing suicide bombing.

Britain is Britain and Sharia has no place here. If Muslims try to enforce it then they will find war and furious anger brought upon them and they will be booted out. It’s the truth; ask anybody here if they want Sharia. Until 9/11 nobody in Britain was worried about Islam, it was a small issue to some but not all. That’s gone now. They are rightly under the spotlight.

Islamic extremism is cutting the throat of peaceful Islam. If the moderates won’t sort there own house then we will. Like it or not it’s true,




posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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There should be a more emphasized program for soldiers who are on duty. A program which teaches soldiers with an inclination to such deeds how to correctly act, all things considered... Thus one should not forget that being in Iraq -as a soldier- brings with it a great amount of psychological pressure...



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:30 AM
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Bethink you: If it is from Allah and ye reject it - Who is further astray than one who is at open feud (with Allah)?



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Infidel 101
Islam is the new boy in town as far as the others go. Copied and expanded it may be, but it is still a story book with pop out bloody pages.

I will defend my right to live my life in my way in my country without the Caliphatists threatening my mother or firing bombs at my father. That is my right and I will defend it to the death. If a Muslim down the road agrees fine, but if he won’t help us rid this land of his more extremists brethren then he has a choice. Tuck in and help or leave. You can’t hope for political victory while denouncing suicide bombing.

Britain is Britain and Sharia has no place here. If Muslims try to enforce it then they will find war and furious anger brought upon them and they will be booted out. It’s the truth; ask anybody here if they want Sharia. Until 9/11 nobody in Britain was worried about Islam, it was a small issue to some but not all. That’s gone now. They are rightly under the spotlight.

Islamic extremism is cutting the throat of peaceful Islam. If the moderates won’t sort there own house then we will. Like it or not it’s true,


I agree you 100% on this. I am not going to argue this one bit. I firmly believe that the citizens of every country have the right determine thier own fate. It is not up to some foriegn leader or group to determine what is best for someone else. We cannot push our ideals onto another culture. I do not believe that is right that someone else is allowed to push their own agenda on another culture. This goes for the Muslims, the Jews, the Christians, the British, the Americans, anyone. It should not be allowed period. If it does happen, then I believe that those that do not agree with situation should stand up for themselves and take back their nation.

You are quite right that Sharia law has no place in Britain. None of the citizens want it. On the other hand, in places in the Middle East, they do not want our style of law. They are happy with what they have, so let them have it. Beat them back from our borders back into their own and let them live with it.

My anger at this entire issue comes from people with little to no understanding of a foriegn culture, and trying to push our ideals on them. It is not our job to determine what is right or wrong for someone else. If pissing and moaning about the state of affairs within our own borders was justification for other countries to come in and sort it out, most of the western word would be screwed. If you have an issue with what is going on in your country then get out there and fix it, do not depend on someone else to do it for you.

I also believe that for alot of the issues, religion is being used as a scapegoat. There are alot of people in the Middle East that claim what they do is for Islam. It is a complete crock. They use it as a way to justify their actions, when the religion they claim to serve, denounces and condemns their actions. The same can be said for Christians and Jews. Not one religion's hands are clean of using their doctrine as a way of using violence and pushing some ulterior agenda. I have no clue what the solution is. I can't even hazrd a guess. I will say this though, lack of understanding the people you are trying to help is only making things worse.



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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I'm gonna get a heart attack from the ignorance of the right-wing bill o'rielly wanna-be's in this thread. You give America a bad name and are the cause of all the heatred towards the US. If Christ was alive today, he'd spit in your face if you told him you were Christian. I bet none of you have Muslim friends. It surprizes me that Christians hate Islam so much and call it Satanic, when it is one of the two only religions other than Christianity that see Christ as holy. Real Muslims would never do this to the Bible because Muslims belive Christianity is fromGod(many of you think Allah is their god's name when Allah is the Arabic word which literally means, The God. They believe the God they worship is one and the same with the Christian and Jewish God.

IF YOU TRUELY UNDERSTOOD ISLAM, YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY HAVE MORE IN COMMON THAN CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM. Jews won't even admit Christ was real and holy.


PLZ GET OFF OF YOUR PCs AND GO DO REAL UNBIASED(Fox News doesn't count as an unbiased source) RESEARCH BEFORE YOU MAKE ASSES OF YOURSELVES!



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Rook1545

Originally posted by jsobecky
blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine.


Look, just because we say stuff that doesn't mesh with your rosey view of how things are, doesn't mean we are nazis or ignorant. In fact I would say it is actually you who are both. Why do I say this? You refuse to acknowledge the facts. My "co-defendant" (and I already corrected you on it) has shown you that your argument is a complete farce and at best, weak. You refuse to see any reasonable counter-argument and when you cannot counterpoint, you resort to using buzz words and namecalling. You seem to feel that you come from some kind of position of authority, you don't.


You and your "buddy" have resorted to ad hominem attacks from the get-go. Not you so much as the other one, but still, both of you.

When you do that, you make it unlikely that people will respond to your "reasonable counter-argument" and instead, throw rocks back at you.

See how that works?

But since you made a gesture to have a reasoned debate, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this one time, and answer your questions.



I would like to ask you a direct question jsobecky. I have yet to see your response to this incident (if I missed it I am sorry), I would like to know, what do you think about what happened here? I would also like to know what you think about the story about the Orthodox Jews burning the bible.


My only response to this issue so far has been to ask the question:

If the same guy shot up the Quran in the US, it would be a Freedom of Speech issue, correct? In other words, it's the where, not the what, right?

Your foolish childish friend, instead of answering the question, blathered on with personal attacks. Vey adolescent. I should have ignored him, but instead engaged him.

What do I think about the issue? I think the soldier was foolish for shooting the Quran while in Iraq, Insensitive, and sure to cause problems. I also think the general was a complete pussy for apologizing so profusely. He should have knocked the soldier down a grade, end of story.

As far as the Jews and the NT, I already responded here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
What do I think about the issue? I think the soldier was foolish for shooting the Quran while in Iraq, Insensitive, and sure to cause problems. I also think the general was a complete pussy for apologizing so profusely. He should have knocked the soldier down a grade, end of story.

As far as the Jews and the NT, I already responded here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I see that we do agree on a couple of things. I am not sure if you read what I had posted after the post you quoted, but to summarize; in the States, fill your boots. He has his right to shoot up any book he feels like. Over there, not so much.

I do, however, disagree about the general appologizing like he did. He really ahd little to no choice in the matter. As I mentioned previously, this issue hurts the American (and Western) image to the moderate muslims. Without the profuse appology it would be seen as condoning the act, or giving a minor slap on the wrist for a major issue to them. This whole issue is not about what we as Westerners or Christians think, it is about what the Muslims will think. Think about how you would feel if someone came over to your house to fix your sink and pissed on your floor. Just because they do it in their house doesn't mean they can do it in yours.



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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"This shows what just what kind of mentality US troops have. They have no respect for Iraqis or their religion."

That's a very broad sweeping statement to make considering you probably don't even know one single U.S. soldier. You make them sound like slobbering idiots that take to heart everything they're told. They have working minds and their own opinions. I happen to know this because I'm a mother of a U.S. Army soldier and he bears no animosity towards Iraqi's as a whole, just the one's that intend to do him harm. Iraqi's work on their base and I daresay that if the U.S. troops disrespected them or their religion they wouldn't be there. People want to take one thing such as this shooting of the Qu'ran and run with it. What about all the decent things our military have done for them? The jobs they've been given that are paid for with U.S. dollars, the school supplies, toys for children etc. Some soldiers break under pressure occasionally. It's not what you would call a comfortable working environment. His actions don't speak for every soldier there. And what about what some Iraqi's have done to us? How can anyone feel sorry for people that strap bombs to their own children and send them on a suicide mission? Do they really live by the Qu'ran or does it just come in handy on occasion such as in this particular story? I say let go of this story because there are so many more that could be told to put the Iraqi's in a bad light. Anyone remember Daniel Pearl? His story was infinitely worse than a story about a soldier shooting a Qu'ran.



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 06:06 PM
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wow
i must say there are some intresting and scary views out there
i have been reading some posts and i must say some people havent got a clue about islam. this goes for this topic and some other topics.

also the actions of one person and how some people are slaming it on an whole (same goes to the jewish one)

on the anti muslim side we have members throwing around the views that i want to take over England and turn it into a sharia Law country
even so we as muslims make up a small percentage of that in the UK
and im sure my none muslim friends will vouch for me that i do not want to take over England


or Muslims in any western country wants to take over and turn it into a sharia law country.

then we have those that are shouting so what its a book and how all holy books should be burnt
kind of reminds me of the Nazis when they started burning all litriture that they didnt like. (this goes to people that condone the burning of the bible and torah aswell)

some people find it easy to Blame moderate muslims on the actions of a few saying moderate muslims dont do enough.
this subject has been passed so many times on ATS/BTS that its become old,
many members have provided evidence and sources that could fill pages.

on how moderate muslims try and be heard but drowned out the minority and media.

i have been infront of clerics when they have given sermans denoucning terrorists after 9/11 and 7/7 even telling people how important it is to co-operate with police to ensure the safety for all.

yet those people who say Moderates dont do anything seem to lack the knowledge to look at them selves and how they are also the problem.
they complain about moderates doing nothing yet they are eager to mock people and push people to the limit.

these people say extremists just pop up out of no where as soon as they come into the world they are programed to kill the infedels.
but then again why would these people want to kill for no reason?

as the theory goes every action has an equal and opposite reactions

when the solider attacked the Quran he attacked Muslims, thats how it would be seen as only hate for one culture or faith would drive someone to do so.
why else would someone want to shoot up a book?

it doesnt matter which country you are in and which book you desicrate (bible , torah) it just shows your hate for that faith and lack of understanding.

why is it worse because its in Iraq? if it was the US he wouldnt have iraqis around him or the fact that hes in a war zone where the trust of locals is very important.

whats the saying to win the hearts and minds of the people?

This topic has gone from how one person (as i mentioned in a previous post here) that hasnt got a clue or plain stupid

desicrated the quran to Blaming an entire group.
coming from some people here which i expected more from when it comes to blaming the actions of a few on a whole is real disapointing.

this whole topic is a joke in its self.
i am not addressing any member directly but it goes to almost everyone.

i think i babbled enough here and most likely made a fool of my self in this post



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posted on May, 23 2008 @ 07:10 PM
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You talk about people who ignore instances where moderate muslims decry terrorism. Yet you yourself ignore the fact that muslims have made it public that they want to impose Sharia on many western countries.

Now that is scary. It illustrates the mindset that some muslims have that says muslims can never do wrong or say wrong. Totally wearing blinders.


when the solider attacked the Quran he attacked Muslims, thats how it would be seen as only hate for one culture or faith would drive someone to do so.
why else would someone want to shoot up a book?


Is it against the law to hate? I don't care how you personally feel about it, I just want to know if it's against any law you know of.

And don't tell me that muslims don't hate the west. They burn flags, burn figures in effigy, and much much worse. So I think that their outrage over small incidents is just a little bit overdone. Some of them get outraged if you look at them crosseyed. False outrage and perpetually offended.:shk:



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
You talk about people who ignore instances where moderate muslims decry terrorism. Yet you yourself ignore the fact that muslims have made it public that they want to impose Sharia on many western countries.

Now that is scary. It illustrates the mindset that some muslims have that says muslims can never do wrong or say wrong. Totally wearing blinders.


mmmmh i dont recal saying anything about Muslims doing any wrong
you trying to make something out of nothing? please quote me where i said muslims do no wrong? or you trying to dodge the fact that Moderates are always outspoken and people like you prove to the rest of the world how moderates are ignored, since thats what you display in your posts and topics.

so again i say Quote me where i say Muslims do no wrong
either back your statements up or try to be more convincing


Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread356222/pg15#pid4378609]post

Is it against the law to hate? I don't care how you personally feel about it, I just want to know if it's against any law you know of.

And don't tell me that muslims don't hate the west. They burn flags, burn figures in effigy, and much much worse. So I think that their outrage over small incidents is just a little bit overdone. Some of them get outraged if you look at them crosseyed. False outrage and perpetually offended.:shk:


did i say its against the law to hate? infact did i even mention that?
or did i say when someone commits an act like this they attack that group

so where did you get the law part from?

also i didnt say all muslims love the west
as you have proven not all people from the west like your self like muslims and im pretty sure a large percentage like your self are truely ignorant of muslims.

i have resisted from replying to you and a certain member for one reason
which you dont back up your statements, example your response above.
if you really have the desire to reply to and expect a reply in kind dont manipulate my Posts. say it as it is.



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 09:38 PM
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Great post. Muslims who don't want to be blamed for the actions of fanatics need to do something to stop Muslim fanatics, just as those of us in the west who don't want to be blamed for the actions of war mongers like GW and company need to speak out against GW and his gang turning the U.S. into the bad guys. Personally I think GW and his posse and Bin Laden, and this guy in Iran are all working together to stir up the trouble.

It is good to see someone from the Muslim world looking at the issues from all sides.



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky

As I recall, some of the muslim detainees at Gitmo flushed the Quran down the toilets there. So why the outrage?


Its soldier not muslim detainees. Muslims cant throw anyhow Quran anywhere



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 09:58 PM
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Nevermind about this situation, let Allah handle it. If they dare to shoot the Quran, they wont dare face the wrath of God. Let god punished them for their sins they make. Btw Quran is sacred book, its very sacred



posted on May, 23 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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There are plenty of Muslims who do want to take over the Western nations in which they live, the nations that fed and clothed them and gave them opportunity. Your failure to acknowledge this is a serious indiscretion. It seems that too many Muslims who claim to be moderates are very guilty of these types of indiscretions. By failing to admit things like the movement among some Muslims to take over Western nations you greatly undermine your credibility as a moderate.

Then you make a statement like this:

when the solider attacked the Quran he attacked Muslims

This sounds like the nutcases over here who say that when you burn the flag you attack all Americans. Where does it stop. Oh, you pissed on holy ground, I must now kill you, and on and on and on.

If the U.S. does something stupid, and people burn some flags to protest, so be it. Considering all the Iraqi's getting killed by Muslims in Iraq in the name of Allah and holy war, I think there are probably a lot of people in Iraq who would like to burn the Koran and eliminate the Muslim religion in Iraq, but they are too afraid to express such an opinion. There might be plenty of Iraqis who think this soldiers act of shooting the Koran was right on the money. Plenty of Iraqis might agree with this Soldiers message.

Don't blame the messenger.



posted on May, 24 2008 @ 05:23 AM
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just as those of us in the west who don't want to be blamed for the actions of war mongers like GW and company need to speak out against GW and his gang turning the U.S. into the bad guys.


SO DO IT.

What the hell is it with this "Mass Protest" concept?
Is this the new Republican buzzword?

Fine you go and...
Start a rally, go protest, egg some senator's houses, but UNTIL you do and UNTIL the majority of Americans do you cannot expect Muslims everywhere to be up in arms and holding massed protests all across the world to denounce Islamic Fundamentalism.

"Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you."

Don't start expecting Muslims to demonstrate across the globe when half of America was too friggin' lazy to vote last election.

If Americans aren't physically vocalising their anger for Bush then I could use that logic and say all Americans support his actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
But they don't...

Same way just because all Muslims are not running around in the streets with picket signs saying "We hate Osama", doesn't mean they all support him.

Unfortunately some people out there have lives you see.
Families, wives, jobs; not necessarily too much free time to march in the streets with protesters.
How many people do you think you could get right now, to come along with you to an anti-Bush demonstration?

Just think this through a tad... be realistic.

Your saying that Muslims everywhere should be protesting?

Well when I see Americans everywhere waltzing down the streets protesting against the Bush Admin, maybe I'll be favourable to the idea that Muslims should do the same against Islamic Fundamentalism.

'Till that happens, wake up and smell what your shovelling..

Global anti-Extremism Protests...?? What world do you descend from??

[edit on 24/5/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]



posted on May, 24 2008 @ 07:30 AM
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Godfather of lies and disinformation, if you paid attention, you would know that a great many Americans have and did protest the invasion of Iraq. Not only do a great many Americans denounce GW here on this website, but on forums throughout the internet. Yet, we can't even get a frank discussion of the brutality of honor killings here on the forum where many Muslims post regularly. Rarely do we get an honest admission about the many problems with Muslim culture, instead we get people like you calling the Boston Tea Party an act of
terrorism.

It seems to me that you think murder can be excused as a cultural practice. :"That is the way we have always done things, so don't worry about it."



posted on May, 24 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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wtf?
what the hell Fed and clothed us? you saying Muslims are diffrent from their counterparts in the UK and other western countries and that we dont have to work for a living, Pay Tax's and so. we had everything handed to us on a silver platter.

so all this hard work i put into getting a Job and all these years in education is just a joke as i could just walk into a work place and say hey i am a Muslim now give me a job?

that statement is pure jokes and full of ignorance.
also you will find most the clothes on your back will have made in China or made in some asian country



and re-read my post it seems you havent got the full gist of it.


when the solider attacked the Quran he attacked Muslims, thats how it would be seen as only hate for one culture or faith would drive someone to do so.
why else would someone want to shoot up a book?


so feel free to answer that.

also no where did i blame the whole of the US/US armed forces nor did i say we dont have extremists, learn to read,

infact what is it up with you people when someone says moderates arent heard you people seem to translate that to moderates dont admit extremists exist.



edit: do you even have a clue about holy war and its definition.
or the fact that the only fighting in Iraq is secterian violance and nothing to do with holy war.

do you even have a clue about the guidelines set out for Holy war?

this is as ridiculas as your statment on another topic and this topic about honor killings and how Islam allows it, leaving out how other Cultures like sihks and hindus have a poblem with it aswelll. or are the Hindus and Sihks who commit honor killings Muslims pretending not to be muslims?

one fault i have found with you is your lack of understanding for one thing and the willingness to take something out of porportion.

and to be honest your as bad as the fantics that you condem as you seem to spew alot of hatred for a whole group due to the actions of a few like the islamic terrorists do.

maybe you and the terrorists arent so diffrent.
only diffrence is i doubt you would have the cahoots to put your words into action.

edit: this is my last reply to poet and jsobecky
since they will just repeat what they have said over and over on ATS
but seemed to have ignored anything that doesnt suit their agenda







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posted on May, 24 2008 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul



when the solider attacked the Quran he attacked Muslims, thats how it would be seen as only hate for one culture or faith would drive someone to do so.
why else would someone want to shoot up a book?


so feel free to answer that.

So the soldier hates muslims, their faith, and their culture.

SO WHAT??



Originally posted by bodrul
edit: do you even have a clue about holy war and its definition.
or the fact that the only fighting in Iraq is secterian violance and nothing to do with holy war.

do you even have a clue about the guidelines set out for Holy war?


Hell no, and I don't wish to pollute my mind with some backward archaic garbage about when it is pleasing to Allah to decapitate the infidel. And I don't want to hear some cleric telling a rock to betray the Jew hiding behind it.

If that's what you want to worship, that's your prerogative. When muslims stop killing people like Theo Van Gogh because of "the religion of peace", then maybe we can talk.





Originally posted by bodrul
maybe you and the terrorists arent so diffrent.
only diffrence is i doubt you would have the cahoots to put your words into action.

Cahoots? So now you are calling terrorist actions brave and courageous?:shk: Shame on you.



Originally posted by bodrul
edit: this is my last reply to poet and jsobecky
since they will just repeat what they have said over and over on ATS
but seemed to have ignored anything that doesnt suit their agenda


As I said earlier, bodrul, you don't want to acknowledge the truth about muslims. Yet you think you can spread lies about their victims.

Go ahead, drop out of the conversation. You've been out of ammunition for a long time anyway.



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