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US Soldier Uses the Quran for Target Practice

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posted on May, 21 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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reply to post by Jimmy_of_wprt
 


Nope. You're the one who clearly doesn't understand the literal first thing about Muslims. Wow. I should have expected it, but to see you blurt it out like that really surprised me.

See, folks - this is the kind of ignorance that unwittingly spreads hatred and confusion amongst people who, if they knew the facts, would not be this xenophobic.

reply to post by pikypiky
 


To a lot of people, it's more than a book. It's an identity. Personally, being an atheist, I don't agree, but those are the facts. We can't project the way we feel onto massively-different populations and act all surprised our preconceived ideas don't pan out. That's the height of ignorance.

When a US soldier wears the uniform, he becomes an ambassador of both the US and its people. For one to shoot a Quran, in a majority-Muslim country, is the height of stupidity. He didn't have to do it - he was making a childish, pathetic attempt to either be funny, or to vent his anger at stuff he clearly doesn't know (why anyone can hate Islam, and leave Christianity unscathed, is beyond me). He probably is annoyed at being shot at by Muslims (just the same way that Muslim invaders in the US would be shot by the local Christians), and made a massive generalisation (due to his ignorance), equating the Muslims that shot at him/his buddies with all Muslims. That's xenophobic to say the least.

The bottom line is - he didn't have to do it, yet he chose to. It was a purposefully-inflammatory gesture that backfired, instead of making a point about Islam, it only made a point about how stupid that particular soldier was.




posted on May, 21 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by Jimmy_of_wprt

Before you armchair quarterback, get on a plane, travel to Iran, go to Iraq and then you tell me what is real and what is not.



How was Iran by the way? Where did you stay? How many Iranians did you speak with?

Glass houses and all, I want to make sure you did what you're advising others to do.



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 02:06 PM
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I think I'd be more upset if he shot up a print of 'Where the wild things are'. I loved that book when I was a kid!
You know, it's just a book. There's millions of them about. They run low, they can print some more. It's not like he shot up the last existant Quran.
On another note, I'm glad to hear he actually hit. I would be more worried worried by a story that said he tried to shoot it and missed



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
So I suppose Reverend Wright speaks for all Christians then. Good to know. I suppose that means all Christians hate white people.

If this is not the case, please explain how it is different.


A huge difference that I see is that Wright has been loudly, openly, and publicly denounced because of his words.

Another difference is that Wright, as bad as he is, has not called for murder in the name of his religion.

You don't see that from the muslim community at the extremists. Why not?



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 06:10 PM
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OK maybe the others aren't that extreme, but you certinaly are an extremist lol!
OMG! Are you serious!?



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
You don't see that from the muslim community at the extremists. Why not?


do you have selective ignore? or something
i mean you are using the same thing most people use

Moderates dont condem extremeists and so on

how many times does one have to post the same sources over and over?

is it because the media down play moderate muslims condeming these acts because of TV ratings?

one google search and pages of website will come up of sites and news sites of muslims condeming terrorists.



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 06:34 PM
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Hey dave420, I may not agree with some of you views with atheism, but I respect you, and I agree with everything else you say, you talk a lot of sense, and I think what it all comes down to is respecting each others beliefs, atheists, muslims, jewish, alien believers etc etc, I don't care what you believe in, I don't want to force anyone to believe in anything, I believe in freedom, peace! I believe in respect.

People who let their beliefs seperate us all are causing problems. We are all the same, our beliefs is just that a belief, why should we make it into a problem?

I mean whats wrong with some humans? For example some humans believe in a football/soccer team, and others believe in another football/soccer team, and what happens? hatred breeds, and violence happens, just because of another belief? It's not our beliefs that's the problem as you can see, it's simply because of how crazy some of us humans are!


And your right about the soldier, as a US soldier in iraq, why is he shooting a quran? we all know it's just a book, lol, but the point is why?

Shooting up a quran?, what's next, shooting up muslims? Oh wait! almost everyone there is a muslim, what does that say? To me it says that I would not trust that soldier around iraqi civillians, so in the end, yes it's just a book, but the point still stands, if you were a muslim iraqi, would you trust that soldier with a gun around you and your family?




Peace.





[edit on 21-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on May, 21 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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Yes they are out there, people just don't want to see it.

And it suprises me how many want to nuke the whole middle east, if they knew how many natural beauties like jessica alba were out there, I think they would think twice hehe
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[edit on 21-5-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by jsobecky
You don't see that from the muslim community at the extremists. Why not?


do you have selective ignore? or something
i mean you are using the same thing most people use

I use the same old argument because it is still true. Muslims do not speak out as a group against other muslims.

Why not? I have some ideas:

They secretly condone the actions of extremists

They secretly support and fund the extremists

They are afraid of retribution from other moderates and from extremists.




Originally posted by bodrul
how many times does one have to post the same sources over and over?

is it because the media down play moderate muslims condeming these acts because of TV ratings?

Baloney. There are other sources of getting the message out. Where are all the YouTube videos of mass protests by moderate muslims? Where are all the internet videos?

And I'm not talking about the occcasional professor speaking softly.

I'm talking about groups like CAIR, and mass protests of tens of thousands of moderate muslims.

Where are they? They don't exist.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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You don't see that from the muslim community at the extremists. Why not?


I do. Sheltered little kids still living with their mother who watch too much FAUX News obviously won't


Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. That's just as absurd as associating Hitler with Christianity, or David Koresh with Christianity. There are always people who will do peculiar things, and think that they are doing things in the name of their religion. But the Koran is... God says in the Koran that they think that they are doing right, but they are doing wrong.

www.islamfortoday.com...


How much blood has been spilled? How many innocent children, women, and old people have been killed, maimed, and expelled from their homes in the name of “al-Qaeda”?

Are you happy to meet Allah with this heavy burden on your shoulders?
Salman al-Audah

time-blog.com...


Abdul Qayum, imam of the East London Mosque, also said: "Our congregation is united in condemnation."

The imam described the attack as "cowardly and despicable".

news.bbc.co.uk...


The AMPCC statement read in part:

"American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."

www.islamicity.com...


The scholars said that the terrorist acts clearly violated the ethics of battle spelled out by Muhammad. The Koran, which Muslims believe was revealed by God to Muhammad at a time of vicious conflict between Arab tribes in the early seventh century, includes verses that prescribe the rules of war.

Like scriptures of every faith, the Koran is open to interpretation and has been twisted to justify the actions of extremists, the scholars said.

Mahmoud Ayoub, a professor of Islamic studies and comparative religion at Temple University, said: "The Bible has descriptions of the peaceable kingdom, where the lamb and the lion lay down together, but it also has the Book of Joshua about the bloody conquest of Canaan. Likewise, the Koran has plenty of verses that talk about peace, even with Muhammad's enemies, if they are inclined toward peace. But then there are also verses that advocate war. And so, we have to make choices."

www.themodernreligion.com...


Muslim Council of Britain (MCB).
Whoever is responsible for these dreadful, wanton attacks, we condemn them utterly. These are senseless and evil acts that appal all people of conscience. The MCB stands shoulder to shoulder with remarks made by our Prime Minister Tony Blair.

www.muslimnews.co.uk...


It's not courage in any way to kill an innocent person, or to kill thousands of people, including men and women and children

Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.crescentlife.com...
theamericanmuslim.org...< br /> www.islamonline.net...
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Here, educate thyself [snip]

Muslims do not speak out as a group against other muslims.


Because Muslims do not have a voice in the mass media, like the Christians, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Hawks do.

The mainstream media does not cover Muslim sentiments or reactions to terrorism, unless it feeds their purpose of portraying them as backward, evil, savages.

When a Muslim does something that goes against our Western values and morals you can be sure it will covered and made out to an inicident of epic proportions, but when everyday Muslims, like the ones above, speak out against terrorism, condemn Osama or generally conform to perceptions they might portray them as "civilized", no article or story will cover that at all.

Your speaking from the perspective of the mass media. The propaganda outlets you fervently watch and gather all your misconceptions and notions from. If you would bother to maybe do a little research yourself you'd find plenty of outspoken Muslim critics of terrorism.

But you prefer to sit contented in front of the TV and have your information spoon-fed to you.
And like anything that's prepared and easy to swallow it's usually bad for you.


I'm talking about groups like CAIR, and mass protests of tens of thousands of moderate muslims.

Where are they? They don't exist.


So what? In order to dispel your suspicion that Muslims are all in effect terrorists or sympathetic to them, they would have to globally all march in huge protests and decry Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah and Hamas publically?

[snip]
Why don't you go outside and start a rally showing your support for your Republican government you love to defend so much?

Why I don't I see Christians out in the streets condemining the KKK publically or the Crusaders?

I don't see Black people condemning Al Sharpton either, they must all support his radical views!

I don't see Jews denouncing the acts of Judas! Those b*stards they must all be so happy he was responsible for Christ's death!

I don't see Sri Lankans denouncing the Tamil Tigers, they probably support them that's why.

And when have the Irish ever publically denounced the IRA? They must fund and support them too!

Just like the Somalians, why the hell aren't they protesting in Mogadishu against their Warlord junta?

Same way all Americas must support George Bush, I never hear of any massive anti-Republican rallies.

Or us Australians, we never protest against our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, hence we all love him to bits!

Your childish arguments never cease to amaze me...
May I visit this fairytale kingdom in which you reside? How far down the rabbit hole are you exactly?

[edit on 22/5/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]





 

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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 06:25 AM
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posted on May, 22 2008 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira

Because Muslims do not have a voice in the mass media, like the Christians, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Hawks do.


I don't know if they do or don't, but I do know that 10,000 of them take to the streets with swords, baying for the blood of a British schoolteacher and declaring the UK should be "ashamed" because their kids chose the name of a teddy.

I didn't see 10,000 Muslims out on the streets protesting the release of this poor woman, nor any others wrongfully held. But they'll go out in force when they think we have done something to offend them..

You have to remember a society is judged by it's own standards. Mass demonstrations in Muslim countries appear to happen at the drop of a hat, so why is it unreasonable to expect demonstrations against violent acts of barbarism?

Do you think that if the BNP released videos of them beheading Muslims that there would not be outcry and massive rallies against them?



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 07:37 AM
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Now that sounds right to me. Firing without reason is a serious offense. Most likely this article is pure propaganda garbage.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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Irish denounce IRA

Somalians Protest against warlords

Sri Lanka denounces Tamil Tigers

Anti-Bush Rally

No reason for Jews to denounce Judas since Jesus was not the Messiah to them . . .

And, as far as I can tell, most blacks agree with Sharpton and Jackson



Thanks for playing, though.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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correction
The Bible is not satanic !
...but your comment is because the dark prince of this world, Satan , hates the Bible and is an expert in misquoting it.. He loves the quran because it is deceptive, hateful , merciless and full of lies just like it's 'allah' , so its a very effective means of enslavement of moslems.
..allah incidentally means lie in Hebrew .
The Bible will stand up to serious investigation by those who are driven by truth and wish to escape the matrix.
shalom
y



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by xxpigxx

And, as far as I can tell, most blacks agree with Sharpton and Jackson



Thanks for playing, though.


How far can you tell? Where are your sources?



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Yacov
reply to post by Rook1545
 


correction
The Bible is not satanic !
...but your comment is because the dark prince of this world, Satan , hates the Bible and is an expert in misquoting it.. He loves the quran because it is deceptive, hateful , merciless and full of lies just like it's 'allah' , so its a very effective means of enslavement of moslems.
..allah incidentally means lie in Hebrew .
The Bible will stand up to serious investigation by those who are driven by truth and wish to escape the matrix.
shalom
y


Wow you actually have no clue what you are saying, that is awesome. Just so you can appear to know what is going on, Allah is god. If you are a Christian, Jew, or Muslim, you pray to the same god, no arguments allowed, it is a fact. Now moving on.

If the Koran is a satanic book, then the bible must be. Both are really good story books, with the ultimate moral of the story being how to live life to find favor with god. You can correct me if I am wrong on the bible (I'm not but you can try), but since you have no clue about Islam, you might just want to keep lid on that topic.

By the way you are talking, the bible is obviously a very good means of enslaving people like you. There is no way that the bible will stand up to any scrutiny, especially the new testament. It is a book written by many different writers, half of the stories in it were written well after the events happened so the nicest thing that could be said about it is that it is mostly hearsay.

Personally I think you need to take some classes in religion that do not involve christianity. Expand your mind bit, it is a touch narrow right now.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
So what? In order to dispel your suspicion that Muslims are all in effect terrorists or sympathetic to them, they would have to globally all march in huge protests and decry Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah and Hamas publically?


That would be nice. Actions speak louder than words. But you, in typical NAZI fashion, want them to keep quiet about what is really happening.


You have enough problems in Australia with muslims and others. I suggest you concentrate on your own back yard instead of mouthing your NAZI trash about a country you know nothing about.

Grow up. Get out of your mother's basement and stop being brainwashed by your "religion of peace".



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by vor78
While I disagree with his actions, he has freedom of speech and expression as protected by the First Amendment.


No he doesn't. He's in Iraq, not the United States. There is no Constitution over there protecting his right to do anything.



posted on May, 22 2008 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira
 


...in typical NAZI fashion...

...mouthing your NAZI trash...


[Annoying commerical commentator voice]
And the right wing superconservative word of the month is...(drum roll)...NAZI. For all you conservatives out there, since our Glorious Leader has said that all left wingers are Nazi Appeasers, we are free to label them as such. So whenever someone shows a bit of humanity towards someone that is Muslim, or decides to foolishly stand up to you about your treatment of those devil worshipping, murderous, heathens, You just spout the good book and call them Nazis.

Just remember, everytime those lefty bastards defend a human right, God kills a puppy.
[/Annoying commerical commentator voice]

Seriously...grow up...try an adult conversation.



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