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Cuba Denounces new and cowardly action by the U.S. government

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posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rapacity
Do you fear communism because you've been told to fear it or do you far it because you've researched it and decided that it's not for you?

I don't let anyone sway my beliefs. I do my own research. Communism is bad, period. Why on Earth would you want the government to take care of you and dictate everything you do from cradle to crave?




posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Rapacity
Do you fear communism because you've been told to fear it or do you far it because you've researched it and decided that it's not for you?

I don't let anyone sway my beliefs. I do my own research. Communism is bad, period. Why on Earth would you want the government to take care of you and dictate everything you do from cradle to crave?


I think a lot of people in Britain and the US would say that we are being dictated to from "cradle to grave." And I don't like it.

On topic, Cuba is under new leadership and is giving more freedoms to its people - they're allowed personal electronic devices in their homes now. Shouldn't the US be supporting this not crippling it?



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:28 PM
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Anyone on this thread that thinks:

Communism = Evil
and
Miami Cubans = Good

..has their head so deep into a corporate fascist hole that they can't see the sun. History is written by the corporate interests who lost a lot under Castro: casinos, nice tax haven, and cheap Cuban (slave) labor.

The Cubans coming to Miami nearly destroyed the place. It doesn't matter to history that most of them where the land-holding ruling class of Cubans supported by the mob supported by the US moneyed class during a time when the average Cuban was starving, uneducated, and had no healthcare to speak of.

So these traitors against humanity fled to Miami (peacefully allowed to leave I may add) and what did they do once here? They almost instantly used their family connection in the US along with their foreign connections in latin american countries to setup some of the largest organized drug running operations in the world. The coc aine epidemic only hit the eat coast hard once those exiles were in place. I wonder why?

The best part is the damn ex-Cubans (we should have let them float to some other place) were given money by OUR government to support various anti-cuba activities. Has your government ever paid you for being a good american with a history of helping this country? No, but it can find the money to pay a bunch of formerly-rich land-holding Cuban familes that were expelled because they were enemies of the citizens freedom, prosperity, and liberty.

Jon



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Rapacity
Do you fear communism because you've been told to fear it or do you far it because you've researched it and decided that it's not for you?

I don't let anyone sway my beliefs. I do my own research. Communism is bad, period. Why on Earth would you want the government to take care of you and dictate everything you do from cradle to crave?


Is that what you think Communism is? Really? Dictate everything? Maybe you should do a little more research.


Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.


What is Communism



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Rapacity
I think a lot of people in Britain and the US would say that we are being dictated to from "cradle to grave." And I don't like it.

Well, I don't know about Britain but in the U.S. its not that bad YET. The communists and marxists hidding here in the U.S. known as extreme liberals are trying hard to change that. Unfortunately, our school system has degraded (thanks to these same people) to such a point where the youngsters have no idea about history and are easily swayed and brainwashed. However, I do feel we will get through this and come out stronger.


On topic, Cuba is under new leadership and is giving more freedoms to its people - they're allowed personal electronic devices in their homes now. Shouldn't the US be supporting this not crippling it?

That is a very small step. I would need to see a lot more done before I think we should start to support them.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:34 PM
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I find it funny that you sit there by your computer typing things and challenging the DEMOCRATIC government,WITHOUT fear of persecution,and still claim you would like COMMUNISM better..........well if you don't like Democracy leave and go to China or some other Communist country-you will be begging to come back to this "horrible Democracy"and honestly we shouldn't let you back in,but since we are a Democracy we WILL let you back in............Im just saying-Don't talk sh*t about Democracy before experiencing the "other side"of the fence.


This is a SMALL summary of what I wanted to say in reply,but I will quit hear.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
Is that what you think Communism is? Really? Dictate everything? Maybe you should do a little more research.

Perhaps you should get your information from a real source instead of Wiki.

The real definition of communism is:
A system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

Besides, I don't need a book to tell me what communism is. Just look at history or our current situation and then look at the communist countries. It speaks for itself. Open your eyes and look into the real world.

[edit on 17-5-2008 by WhatTheory]



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by Rapacity
 


I find it funny that you sit there by your computer typing things and challenging the DEMOCRATIC government,WITHOUT fear of persecution,and still claim you would like COMMUNISM better..........


A lot of this is the result of our corporacracy.

We embargo socialist countries and then point out how their economies suck. The sheep lap it up, "See we are better!"

We foment revolutions and assassinates by throwing millions of dollars and thousands of weapons at every fringe group in a socialist country. Then point out how they crack down on personal freedoms. The sheep lap it up, "See we are freer!"

We aide their nearby enemies with arms and supplies and propaganda. Then we turn around and point out how the social country continues to increase their defense spending. The sheep lap it up, "See we are peacefuller!"

It is so predictable and would be laughable if so many Americans did fall for it every day.

Jon



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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Wow! Wow!

How dare you classify all Cubans as Evil and detrimental morons, and say they destroyed Miami???? How the hell can you say that, you cant destroy fields of pastures with cow crap in the first place, which was what Miami was.

The only ignorant evil idiot here is YOU.

I'll take my WARNING FLAG like a Cuban woman that i am.

Idiot.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
The US deals and trades with many communist nations (China comes to mind...how many of your clothes say "made in China"). Yet the US continues this stupid embargo that all other countries have dropped or initially had no part in.
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China's economy is beneficial to the US, true, due to cheap labor costs (read, sweat shops) that are exploited by multi billion dollar American industry.


And how much trade does Canada do with China? Here's a hint:
www.statcan.ca...



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by Voxel
 
Wow! Wow!

How dare you classify all Cubans as Evil and detrimental morons, and say they destroyed Miami???? How the hell can you say that, you cant destroy fields of pastures with cow crap in the first place, which was what Miami was.

The only ignorant evil idiot here is YOU.

I'll take my WARNING FLAG like a Cuban woman that i am.

Idiot.



I have to agree with you Dgtempe. It's always very dangerous (and stupid) to paint everyone with one brush, in any situation. There are MANY Cuban American's that are wonderful people, and Cuban Canadians too (One who I call a dear friend). And there are some bad and corrupt, just like anywhere else.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by Rapacity
 


I find it funny that you sit there by your computer typing things and challenging the DEMOCRATIC government,WITHOUT fear of persecution,and still claim you would like COMMUNISM better..........well if you don't like Democracy leave and go to China or some other Communist country-you will be begging to come back to this "horrible Democracy"and honestly we shouldn't let you back in,but since we are a Democracy we WILL let you back in............Im just saying-Don't talk sh*t about Democracy before experiencing the "other side"of the fence.


This is a SMALL summary of what I wanted to say in reply,but I will quit hear.


Re-read my posts. At no point have I said I dislike democracy. I did say that I dislike this current brand of "democracy" where our lives are dictated by the few who govern without truly listening to the people they are supposed to serve. I'll rephrase that last part, they do listen to the people they serve but not the public who are deluded into thinking they are the ones to whom governments do listen.

As for "since we are a Democracy we WILL let you back in" have you ever tried to return to Britain after a trip abroad? For me its never a problem but I've seen a lot of British people stopped, questioned and searched at U.K ports of entry. The reverse, leaving the U.K, can be difficult - a few British people are finding hard to get passports at the moment because they can't prove where they've lived for the last three years etc...

Are there any ATS Cuban's or people from communist nations who can let the "democratic" world know what life under communism is really like? Please...



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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Where did I say Canada didn't trade with China? Of course we do, with them AS WELL as Cuba. That wasn't my point. sigh.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Voxel

The Cubans coming to Miami nearly destroyed the place. It doesn't matter to history that most of them where the land-holding ruling class of Cubans supported by the mob supported by the US moneyed class during a time when the average Cuban was starving, uneducated, and had no healthcare to speak of.
Jon

Tell me, where do you get you facts BS from? Some commie-pinko blog?

Open your eyes and listen to people here that have actually lived in Cuba under the dictator Castro, and were lucky enough to escape with their lives.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 04:59 PM
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On topic, Cuba is under new leadership and is giving more freedoms to its people - they're allowed personal electronic devices in their homes now. Shouldn't the US be supporting this not crippling



LOL,should I even respond????"They are allowing personal electronic devices in their homes now"


Are you kidding me?THAT IS FREEDOM?


Yea,Commuism IS WAY BETTER.............


Except or the fact that me and others fortunate enough to live in a Democratic society have ALWAYS HAD THAT FREEDOM............


I mean.............really?Is that a big deal?Yea,but it shoudn't be~!



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
reply to post by jsobecky
 


Where did I say Canada didn't trade with China? Of course we do, with them AS WELL as Cuba. That wasn't my point. sigh.


No, your intent was to make the US sound bad by stating our corps. "exploit" the "sweat shops" in China.

I was just reminding you that you and your country do the same. So stop being hypocritical.

(sigh)



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 05:13 PM
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The US's relations with Cuba are between Cuba and the US.

If your country does business with Cuba, good for you, but your opinion of our position is worthless.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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Oh Grady...I've missed you. All is well I hope? Haven't seen you posting much lately.

So anyone not from the US isn't allowed to have an opinion? That's democracy for you


When the actions of one country affect the well being of another that I care about, and have friends living in, I will not hold my piece. I will make my point known again and again.

But it's your choice to ignore me if you like, I don't mind.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The US's relations with Cuba are between Cuba and the US.

If your country does business with Cuba, good for you, but your opinion of our position is worthless.



Upto a point I agree with you.. what non-US citizens say is purely opinion and the US doesn't have to listen but the US insists it may have opinions on the rest of the world and tends to force itself onto the rest of the world; the US has determined that we live in a global economy where one nation and its people may effect change in another nation; thus, reciprocally, every person of this world has a right to express opinion about US and Cuban relations and every person has a US determined right to expect the US to listen to and take counsel from those opinions - it is the US's self determined and purported position to be the international mentor of other nations hence it must listen when other nations tell it that it is not acting responsibly. The US should either explain its reasoning else refrain from its world mentor post.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by Voxel
 
Wow! Wow!

How dare you classify all Cubans as Evil and detrimental morons, and say they destroyed Miami????


I was referring only to the Cuban exiles who came to this country to suckle from its teat. I find Cubans to be fine people. It is the American's who wrongly think that they are Cubans that rub me the wrong way. Regardless of whatever fictions your parents tell you, the exiles were exiled for a reason. A very real reason that has been painted over by all the political machinations of a country that has its own fascist political motivations like the Roosevelt Corollary.



How the hell can you say that, you cant destroy fields of pastures with cow crap in the first place, which was what Miami was.


Miami was a city that was doubling in population every 10 years before and AFTER Castro took power and started expelling people. The Cuban exiles didn't build Miami any more than Italian or Irish Americans built New York City.


The only ignorant evil idiot here is YOU.

I'll take my WARNING FLAG like a Cuban woman that i am.

Idiot.

I see that you can not think or discuss this topic rationally. You should try and remember that you are American first and Cuban second and as such you should always ask yourself "What is good for the people of America?"

That is a question far from the minds of Cuban-American's who rabidly support operations such as the Bay of Pigs, our CIAs assassinations and murders, and the Cuban-American Mafia drug runners. All these things are detrimental to the people of the United States of America and makes most rabid anti-Castro types traitors.

Jon



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