Originally posted by Electro38
or if there is a cover-up and huge conspiracy conducted by NASA, what would other scientists in other countries have to say about that?
Well IF there was such a conspiracy... you would have to find NASA involved in a big way in ALL the space agencies in the world...
And we KNOW that cannot be...
NASA And India Sign Agreement For Future Cooperation
NASA To Work With India on Moon Mission
U.S.- India Space Cooperation
NASA Japan Representative Field Office
"The NASA Japan Representative is based at the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo, Japan and is responsible for coordination of NASA programs and interests in
Japan and other countries in the Asia Pacific Region. The NASA Japan Representative works with regional aerospace officials and industry
representatives on key programs and serves as a local point of contact for NASA meetings and travel in the region."
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency to look for an international partner.
NASA and Japan Agree on New Areas of Space Co-operation July 27, 1990
Memorandum of Understanding between the National Aeronautics and
Space Administration of the United States of America and the
Government of Japan
NASA Rejoins Japan In X-Ray Space Observatory Project - Science Daily
NASA Joins Japan in Exploring Asteroid - 1997 (519): 1 - ScienceNOW
ASTER is a cooperative effort between NASA, Japan's Ministry of Economy,
Trade and Industry
NASA and Japan to Cooperate on Asteroid Sample Return Mission
NASA delays Europe's lab launch [
NASA and ESA Sign Agreements for Future Cooperation
ESA and NASA extend ties with major new cross-support agreement
ESA signs arrangement with New Zealand on tracking station
Expanding cooperation: German ground station tracks ESA Moon mission
ONE NASA, ONE ESA, TWO PARTNERS
NASA chooses Woomera, South Australia for rocket launch site
NASA has been in Australia since 1957
Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station: 1967–1981: The Station
NASA, Russia Approve Next ISS Crew - Space.com
"Two Sides of the Moon: Our Story of the Cold War Space Race:"
Space - Co-operation with Russia
NASA CSA(Canadian Space Agency) Agreement
The Amazing Canadarm2 - Dextre the robot
Canada to build key component of NASA's next giant space telescope ...
Space Station Ready for New Canadian Robot and Japanese Room
Nasa said the framework document was "an important step in an evolving process towards a comprehensive global
approach to space exploration".
The agency added that the contents were consistent with "ongoing bilateral and multilateral discussions" on
co-operating with other agencies.
Space agencies involved in the agreement are:
Esa (European Space Agency)
KARI (South Korea)
All the documentation is here....
Its all about CONTROL
And NASA has it
OH I almost forgot... for those of you who THINK China is going to show us what's going on...
NASA Administrator Departs China After 'Rewarding' First Visit
NASA Administrator to Grad Students: China Trip Is 'First Step'
NASA Administrator Meets Counterpart in China
NASA Administrator Michael Griffin Visits China
NASA Administrator Welcomes China to Ranks of Spacefaring Nations
They would all have to be contributers or willing participants in this conspiracy. (What a miracle that would be, to get all of the leaders of the
world to all agree on, contribute and participate in a massive conspiracy.)
No miracle... it's called 'tenure'
What about all of the research done by scientists in America and other parts of the world, which was done before there was any NASA or before there
was even an America?
Long before John Lear came along... there was Profesor Hansen, of the Royal Astronomy Society. In 1884 the Royal Astronomical Society published an
important memoir on the corrections required by Hansen's Tables. Prof Hansen had all the data on the gravity anomalies on the Moon, the atmosphere
and the people living there... It was accepted by his peers and he was highly respected...
Then Along came Simon Newcomb of the US Naval Observatory and changed all that... That was the day The Navy took control and started hiding the
And don't forget that CLEMENTINE was a US NAVY/DoD Starwars mission, not a photo taking tour
People who only want to perpetuate their fantasies or paranoia will never get to the truth.
Neither will people that prefer to stick their heads in a hole and play Ostrich
If you want to get to the truth about life on Mars, etc. do it scientifically. Don't just affirm the things that seem to support your fantasies, you
should consider all data.
I consider more data than you know... and I have sources you can just dream about
This is the most annoying thing about this forum. There are a lot of smart people here but they conveniently filter out anything that doesn't conform
to their beliefs or fantasies.
No the most annoying thing about the forum is those that come here with a "I know it all you are wrong or crazy" attitude and then presume to
Skeptics also are just as guilty of 'filtering what doesn't fit their belief system" as are believers... And in the middle are a mere handful of
those who DO the leg work to seek out evidence and present it in forums like this...
Without us there would BE no forum and NOTHING to debate
Science and the truth has nothing to do with your "feelings", beliefs,
It most certainly does NOT
If the inventors and discoverers of new ideas did not dream and BELIEVE in what they were doing Science would still
be in the Dark Ages...
The Wright Brothers were told by the "Scientists" human flight was impossible.... yet they followed their dream... they didn't know it was
And a good thing they did not listen to the likes of YOU, because we would still be on the ground
I believe there was life on Mars too, I really want to see evidence, but if I discard the things that don't fit into my fantasies, I'll never know
REALLY? Well then... tell me the steps you have personally taken in research to discover this life... I would be interested in your results so far
It would be great to have an online class set up here to teach people about the "scientific method" and how to search for evidence objectively.
That is what we taxpayers fork over BILLIONS for to NASA to do... too bad THEY forget who pays their salary
Another weird thing many people do in this forum is that many of you believe skepticism is bad, and that you are waging a war against "skeptics".
What you haven't learned yet is that;
Skepticism is essential when searching for the truth!
No we don't believe skepticism is bad... there are many great skeptic here at ATS like ArMaP (even though he can be a pain in the...
hard to present their case with actual LINKS and EVIDENCE instead of "superior than thou" rhetoric
There are two kinds of skeptics... those that research and use that 'scientific method' you rave about and present their side of it in a rational
manner, and there are those that just yell and shout and call people names when they can't convince us how wrong we are.
Unfortunately we have a LOT more of the second kind than the first
This is where many people who post here go wrong.
Uh huh sure... and you get to decide what is a 'correct' post? You DID read the sign on the door before posting here, yes?
Your battle is with those who are "dismissive", not those who are skeptical.
What battle? Those of us that are on my side of the fence enjoy the hunt and the sharing of info and ideas... The ones throwing the stones are on YOUR
side of the fence...
Good thing our Tin Foil Hats ward off those stones
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