There was a report on the news just this week that talked about the growing number of people in the US who are taking prescription drugs (all because they're eating the government toxic sludge they call 'food'). A lot of prescription drugs cause weight gain as well, so when you have people eating chemical-laden food that causes obesity, then taking prescription drugs that cause obesity, then practice these so-called "diets" advertised on TV (which contain the chemicals that cause food addiction, cravings and obesity), you're gonna end up with obese people who have no chance in hell of losing weight (unless they wake up and see the truth and stop consuming the poison altogether).

I'm living proof. I weighed 97 lbs my whole life up until I went on antidepressant drugs. A week later I was over 100 lbs and 6 months later I was up to 140 lbs (no change in my diet whatsoever).

After several years on the meds (and never deviating from the 140 lbs), I attempted to go off the meds. After 6 months, my weight was down to 120, but my depression returned so I had to go back on the meds. Within a couple of months my weight went back to 140.

After another couple of years, I found out the truth and realized it was the food that was causing my depression. So I stopped eating the toxic crap and got off the medication. That was a year ago and my weight is now back down to 120. I think that since my body is now on a healthy diet, it's processing more effectively and I'm dropping about 1-2 pounds per week.

All those chemicals in the body stops it from processing food, water and oxygen the way it's designed to. My body used to eliminate waste a few times per week... now it's often 2-3 times per day! All because I stopped eating chemicals! My body is on its way to being super healthy. The sad thing is that it took me so many years to discover the truth. Most other people never do because they think the truth is what's being bombarded at them through mainstream media and their doctor.

I don't trust doctors anymore because I realize that they don't even know what's healthy and what's not. When I tell a doctor how I cured my own depression, they give me a blank stare like I just landed from another planet. Same thing with the vet when I tell them how I stopped my cat from dying of kidney failure by taking her off mainstream petfood and treated her with homeopathic medicine. One vet got totally flustered when he couldn't find a single dogfood that my dog didn't have allergic reactions to. He never once suggested organic dogfood that doesn't contain toxic chemicals. Was he hiding the information to keep me returning for visits? Or was he truly not aware of the toxic food supply?

We have to take control of our own health because no one else is going to do it.

People suffering from obesity need to just stop eating processed food, meat and dairy products and switch to fresh organic fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. After a short period of time, the change starts to happen. The cravings will stop and the body will naturally trim down to it's ideal weight. The illnesses will disappear because healthy foods are medicinal and they will heal the body better than any prescription drug!

Oh... and they have to completely and utterly ignore TV ads and the media - they are lying and scamming to get your money - that's it.

I agree that the majority of obese people are only that way because they're lazy and eat badly, plain and simple and to illistrate my point i'm going to share my own little story.

Over a year ago now i became very ill, i can't move around much anymore apart from potter around the house and i started to put on weight. I used to think i was naturally very thin but looking at it i was that thin and muscular because i was always exercising and ate well. Every day i'd be doing something whether it was marital arts, weight training, jogging, rock climbing etc.

So i started to put on weight, i put on around 12 lbs and decided that something had to be done before i got big. So i did something really complicated, it's a big secret and i'm going to share it, it's revolutionary.

I stopped eating as much.

That's it ladies and gentlemen, that's all i had to do, i eat extremely well, very healthy and yet i was still gaining weight, i just had to cut back on the amount i was eating because i wasn't doing the same level of activity anymore. I'm now back to the same weight i was when i was active, if you added up the calories i consume in a day it's around 1800 i would guess. That's below what doctors recommend for an active person but of course i'm not active any longer so i have to adjust things.

When i go below a certain weight i eat a little more and when i go to high i eat a little less, i have a very balanced weight simply by controlling what i eat. The only reason to be obese is you are inactive and eat badly. There may be a small percentrage on steroid drugs, or who have a thyroid problem that have trouble losing weight, but even they don't have a real excuse to be overweight. I say that because hypothyroidism runs in my family on the female side and none of them are overweight because they're active and eat well, so that little excuse is pathetic.

The question is whether they should be allowed to be obese, well we live in a free society and so yes of course if that's their choice they should be allowed to live as they please, i must say though it sickens me because when i see an obese person i just think they're lazy, greedy people. The majority are, simple fact.

People who consume 4000+ calories in a day and then complain about being overweight absolutely drive me nuts, drop the burger and do some walking! Oh and don't get me started on things like aeroplane seats, why exactly does someone who weighs 25 stone get the same baggage allowance i do? They use as much fuel as two normal people just themselves.

Sorry for that little rant but this one gets right up my nose, i'm ill and can't do anything, if they want to sit around all day i would happily give them my malfunctioning body and take theirs, get it in shape and continue my active, healthy lifestyle.

[edit on 17-5-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

I started becoming overweight when I moved to KY. My diet didn't change much. Some things I was used to eating didn't exist out here, so I had to change brands. I was attending a large university and thus having to walk at least a mile a day, yet the weight kept piling on. I started eating less and less and I gained more and more anyway. I am now nearly 100 pounds overweight, eat once or twice a day sometimes, and cannot lose weight. I have health problems which keep me from being able to exercise much nowadays. I was in a bad car wreck few years ago. I was finally diagnosed with Crohn's disease (autoimmune disease), which I believe I've had since childhood due to having my symptoms since then. Most healthy foods actually make me quite ill. If I eat vegetables, I get bad stomach pain where I cannot function. I've been that way since I was a kid though and I would refuse to eat vegetables and kept saying they hurt my stomach and was called a liar all the time. I have a bladder disease too so I cannot eat hardly any fruits at all because the acid in them make my bladder hurt really bad and sometimes bleed. I bleed from my intestines too. Oatmeal messes with my intestines like vegetables do. Healthy stuff makes my intestines bleed badly. My body doesn't process food like it should and never has as far as I can recall. I eat a lot of stuff like chicken because chicken doesn't bother me. I get so tired of eating same stuff all the time, but get sick if I eat something else.

I've been reading lately where autoimmune disease may be linked to various stuff, including mercury in fillings and those vaccinations wonderful parents forced upon their children at the urging of society and the government. Could there be something in the vaccinations and other things that lead to obesity as well? I've read that there's embalming fluid as well as mercury in those shots.

Originally posted by LostNemesis
I hate to say it, but my "stinking dog" has more value to me and others who know him than most people.

Then you need to get out more. In most cultures "pets" are not held at a higher value than one's fellow human beings. That is the norm. Of course the rest of the world isn't quite so narcissistic as western cultures. The desire for animals which mindlessly grovel at the feet of their owners is an evident symptom of the pathology.

It is common sense that obese people consume more than average. It is a wasteful lifestyle. They also consume more in medical care and other services.

However, you can't blame this one segment of the population for all of the problems in the world. In the first world (as opposed to third world) we ALL consume huge amounts of goods to support our affluent lifestyles.

Maybe the answer is to liposuction their fat and make soap like in Fight Club

Originally posted by sc2099
Not everyone's metabolism idles at the same rpm. While your girlfriend may be able to easily maintain a weight of 115 pounds by eating healthy foods and exercising three times a week, it is not so simple for some people. Some people can lose weight very easily, but others can diet and exercise and nothing happens for them. Not everyone who is overweight eats at McDonald's 4 times a day.

You mean not everyone in the West has the same metabolism? Go to the affluent areas of Asia. With the exception of boat-loads of porky's touring from the West you'll see very few overweight Asians. What few you do see have the metabolic problems you speak of or some other disorder but even then they are only slightly overweight, not monsterously so. Your eating habits and the culture which supports it is the problem. Yours is a broken sick culture.

Originally posted by Lilitu

Originally posted by sc2099
Not everyone's metabolism idles at the same rpm. While your girlfriend may be able to easily maintain a weight of 115 pounds by eating healthy foods and exercising three times a week, it is not so simple for some people. Some people can lose weight very easily, but others can diet and exercise and nothing happens for them. Not everyone who is overweight eats at McDonald's 4 times a day.

You mean not everyone in the West has the same metabolism? Go to the affluent areas of Asia. With the exception of boat-loads of porky's touring from the West you'll see very few overweight Asians. What few you do see have the metabolic problems you speak of or some other disorder but even then they are only slightly overweight, not monsterously so. Your eating habits and the culture which supports it is the problem. Yours is a broken sick culture.

Not everyone in the WORLD has the same metabolism. Arctic dwelling indigenous peoples have virtually NO metabolism from thousands of years of having to store every single calorie to survive and their bodies not knowing when the next meal would arrive on the ice. Today since they don't eat seals every few weeks and live in sub zero temperatures people with that particular ethnicity are very prone to weight problems.

Your opinion of western culture notwithstanding, I don't think you have a leg to stand on. First you tried to blame wild animals and bacteria for eating up all the food that could be fed to poor people. Then you didn't even try to rebut my assertion that western eating habits don't actually starve the people in the third world. You can think whatever you want about western health, but don't blame us that we don't live on a subsistence diet of rice and whatever else we can scrounge up.

You've derailed a thread on obesity and changed it into an "I hate the west, those wasteful bastards" rant. Let's get back to the topic at hand, shall we?

One question:

Do you disagree with this statement:
"I have the right to be unhealthy."

If yes or no, please give your reasoning.
My answer is yes, because after weighing all good intentions and practical excuses I still feel that individual liberty is still more precious than good health.

I thought I would mention that one of the side effects of chronic fluorine ingestion is obesity.

So, what they say may be true, but not all obese people are obese simply because they eat too much. They may be obese because the function of their body is impaired so badly by chronic fluorine exposure.

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Nobody has got a gun to half the American population's head telling them to scarf down 4000g of fat per day as I said before.
It's THEIR CHOICE, thus who else is to blame?

Yes, it's their choice...But that doesn't make it right for anyone else (especially the government) to proverbially or literally "put a gun to their heads" in order to make them loose the weight.
The Government does not have the authority to sanction overweight people & not even a vast majority of the voting public can "vote away" anybody's Rights to "Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness."

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
No we shouldn't tax obese people. But we sure as hell should put the pressure on them to do something about their condition instead of pressuring society to change to suit their unhealthy lifestyles.

While I agree that society shouldn't change for the obese (wider doorways & such as you've mentioned), they shouldn't even have to suffer social sanctions either, such as the teasing or anger-filled insults.

IMO, if someone is so obese that he/she can't fit through a standard-sized door, then they'll have some more motivation to lose the weight. Besides, if someone wants to be fat, nothing outside of himself will change his mind...Additional social or official pressures probably won't change the minds of the really stubborn anyway. The main point is that, while it may not be right for people to choose obesity, there's also nothing right about enforcing such additional pressures in the first place.

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
No instead of pressuring the obese to do something about their problem, the media makes them think their okay, their normal and there's nothing wrong with being physically unhealthy.

That's the media's fault...After all, what else do all of these corporations aim for anyway, except to turn everybody into fat, happy consumers that'll keep buying more of their stuff? Why do you think that food processing companies keep adding all of that fat into their foods in the first place?

Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
God's sake people, stop trying to excuse this like it can't be stopped, I have a perfectly simple solution for it: A GYM.

I'm not trying to excuse it...But neither would I excuse anyone for trying to enforce their own personal opinions onto others. Your solutions begin with suggesting a gym but when pushed too far, "suggested solutions" usually end up with a bullet.

Originally posted by LostNemesis
I personally, do not see the connection to my dog eating well, and the starving third-world.
That said, I doubt starving a member of my family would feed anyone in the third world.

That is SICK. Why don't these people in starving countries rise up against their government and demand rights, instead of guilt tripping those who have loving "house pets".

Yep...As stated earlier in this thread, the world-wide starvation problem is 99% political.

Originally posted by sc2099
LOL, I'm sorry, did you really just blame bacteria for eating food that could have fed your starving compatriots? I have news for you, the bacteria get it anyway after people have already eaten it!

Heh! That's very true...Every human being has symbiote bacteria living within our bodies. We cannot survive without them. For instance, the bacteria in our intestines is responsible for breaking down the food & we'd all die of malnutrition without that bacteria. As a matter of fact, yogurt is a good food for people who've recently suffered from diarrhea: The "active cultures" in the yogurt replaces the digestive bacteria that's...um, expelled ...due to the diarrhea.

Originally posted by spaznational
Maybe the answer is to liposuction their fat and make soap like in Fight Club

All at taxpayer expense, of course...

Originally posted by Orwells Ghost
One question:

Do you disagree with this statement:
"I have the right to be unhealthy."

If yes or no, please give your reasoning.
My answer is yes, because after weighing all good intentions and practical excuses I still feel that individual liberty is still more precious than good health.

Well put, Ghost!
After all, this is what the intent of this whole thread is about...Those who derail the topic aren't doing anything to add any real content to the thread.

Originally posted by Jessicamsa
I've been that way since I was a kid though and I would refuse to eat vegetables and kept saying they hurt my stomach and was called a liar all the time.

(Bold emphasis added)
Ah, now there's the key to the vast majority of the "anti-fat" attitude! This is exactly the type of attitude that "motivates" some people into enforcing unethical social and/or government sanctions against other people! It's precisely this kind of attitude that should be banned from society because it's this attitude that gradually & inevitably turns a free nation into tyranny!