The only thing I can say about the video is that he sounds really hyperventalated in the forest. As far as the alien communication. All that sounds like to me is someone grabbing both hands around a blown up ballon and rubbing their hands over the surface. I've made those sounds with a balloon before. It squeeks. Either that or the ET sounds just like it.

Lack Of Consideration

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
How could anyone take those videos seriously. I mean theres no question of even considering them fake or real.

You can't see if you don't look. If my fellow members want to investigate cases like these, I consider ATS the best place to do it, and encourage them to dig as deeply as they wish.

As for what members choose to believe, that's entirely up to them, as well it should be.

Serious Business

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I thought you people who run this site take this subject seriously.

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I'm a skeptic and believe very little of what I read on ATS. However, as a skeptic I consider it important to keep an open mind, because being a skeptic means challenging my own assumptions and admitting I could always be wrong.

On the other hand, if I were a cynic, I wouldn't bother even visiting a site like ATS because, as a cynic, I would already have made up my mind that it was all hogwash and unworthy of attention.

The whole point of ATS is giving people a place to discuss topics they can't discuss elsewhere, to give our members a means of addressing subjects that are considered "alternative" because they don't conform to the narrow restrictions of mainstream, dogmatic, uncritical thought.

No one is expected to believe what every member has to say on ATS.

We are only expected to respect the rights of other members to believe whatever they want, and express their opinions in a friendly environment where different ideas, theories and beliefs can be openly compared and explored.

Understand that, and you understand ATS.

Now if I can be forgiven for this digression, I believe the topic is Johnathan Reed's Close-Up Alien Blinking Video.

Forgot to mention... someone said something along the lines of "how could he be so blind" during the blinking videos. When I watched the first time, it appeared to be just pixilation, until he gets around the alien, then as the gets into the alien's line of sight, it closes it's eyes and appears to play dead.

IF this is real, perhaps the thing was slipping in and out of consciousness. That's one helluva blow to the head! I've been smacked with the blade edge of a 2x4 at full swing... didn't knock me out, but it left one helluva giant lump on my head. If I had gotten hit harder, probably would've cracked my skull wide open just like that. I felt sick for a couple days after that blow, I couldn't imagine how you would feel if you survived something like this alien supposedly did.

EDIT: And to those laughing because of the black suit... WTF do you think? Aliens just go running around full monty or something? If it were silver, would it have been more believable to you? C'mon... that is DEFINITLY not a point to be using to debunk something!

[edit on 17-5-2008 by Earthscum]

I want to add to folks debunking so harshly - consider all the evidence and not just the video or pictures. You really must listen to the Art Bell interviews to get the full picture. It is one of the best stories I've ever heard - while it may be false - if you consider all the evidence together it's actually quite good, even if it is a hoax - I haven't seen a better hoax.

As far as the guy being discredited for the way he has led his life, that doesn't mean squat - after all there's people that live perfect lives and are in prison for murder because they made one mistake.

Consider if you had an encounter like this - how your life might be turned upside down and if there was a group in the know living amongst us that wanted to keep it secret they would make your life hell and put lots of trip wires in your way to make you stumble and look unbelievable. Just something to consider. (I posted in another thread that I know some secrets about OBAMA, it didn't even take one day for me to be threatened)

Back the the subject matter.

Though the head looks a bit like paper machete, but I can't find any seams or flaws. The only thing that bothers me is the fact the Alien has a turtle neck sweater on which makes less work for the artist if it is fake. Like alien autopsy on a low budget - still that doesn't prove anything. He had the body only for a short time.

At first glance the obelisk (ship or whatever) does look CGI, but there are shadows projected on it and the smaller (further or zoomed out) does have some foliage in front of it. I don't think you could see the obelisk's shadow in that environment, so not seeing a distinct shadow really means nothing there - you cannot see the trees shadow on the ground yet you can see it on the obelisk. I live near these type of woods and I guarntee when I'm walking in the forest you cannot see my shadow if I took a still picture with furns and ground coverages like you see. Maybe someone can compare the obelisk in the video with the one in the still.

Oh yeah, what bothers me about the artifact is the two little needles sticking out so that they would penetrate the skin if worn like a bracelet. In the story this device is what the alien used to turn Reed's dog inside out. I'm thinking why would alien technology need to have a direct body connection in order for it to work. After all you'd think they'd have a better interface - that wouldn't require puncturing the dermal tissue. Then again what do I know about alien technology.

Notice how the center symbol on the artifact kinda looks like Apple Computer's Logo? At least that's what I was thinking when I saw it.


[edit on 17-5-2008 by verylowfrequency]

This was DECLARED FAKE a very long time ago...the guy left washington because he was a disgrace and went into hiding after people started giving him death threats...

true story.

Thank-goodness the first video I watched in this thread was the speech
given by the Doctor. When he held up the book for sale, I shut off the
You-Tube video and soon I'll be leaving this thread. It's amazing what
sophisticated schemes people will concoct in order to earn a lifetime
of lucrative book royalties. Radio listeners get get suckered all the
time by "special" guests appearing with supposedly earth shaking
info that can only be learned by buying some book the guest is selling.

Anytime you see that someone can profit off of their "revelations",
be wary of at least some aspects of their story.

-cwm

[edit on 17-5-2008 by carewemust]

I think it's fake and I will tell you why. Mr. Reed decided to document his encounter, and he was doing a pretty good job of it. If you watch all of his footage he takes photos of the remains of his dog, he takes videos of his gunshot wound. He even holds up a ruler to the gunshot wound so you can see exactly how big it is.

He did all of that, but he failed to get any video of the most important part of the whole ordeal. At some point the alien woke up and started talking to him. If you watch all of his videos on youtube you will find a audio recording where the alien supposedly awakens. He offers it water, and it throws the cup at him and yells in strange language.

Now, would a person who has been so careful to record his gunshot wound, and the alien lying unconscious forget to use the camcorder once the alien was awake, moving around, and talking? not a chance. Instead he made a audio recording of the event. Why would someone do this when they had a video recorder?

He also said that several times he would open the freezer where he kept the alien locked up and it would scream at him. Instead of using his camcorder to tape this once again, he only used audio recording.

The reason why it was audio only is because he couldn't fake a alien walking and talking and make it look real. It's easy to make a fake body and animate the eyes of a fake head. Think about movies like Star Wars where they had very realistic eye movements on puppet aliens. Movies were making lifelike alien head animatronix for at least 10 years before this video was taken so it was a proven technology at the time.

You aren't going to use audio when you have a video recorder.

[edit on 18-5-2008 by cpjason]

There are a few general things which I use to help me identify a hoax immediately:

1. Video stops at some random time, often while the object in question is still in frame. I mean, if you came across something so incredible, you would take as much footage as possible, unless extreme fear or your safety came in to play.

2. No steady, close up shots of anything even if it is motionless, or a few feet away.

3. Circumstances during which the individual is supposedly carrying around their video camera.

This is a confirmed hoax and definitely violates some of these standards. I wish something this exciting actualy happened but let's face it: there is virtually no chance whatsoever that this is even remotely based on truth.

I'm reasonably sure the person on the you tubes posting all the videos is the good "doctors" publicist or someone else looking to profit from people's belief in this being legit. Multiple times he/she has referred to the guys upcoming DVD which "includes all the footage shown plus never before seen tapes". Whoever it is moderates comments so theres no intelligent posts allowed criticizing the video, only a couple from kids that were easily shot down.

1. Besides being obviously fake, the first thing I noticed upon giving it a look is the guy neglected to give the thing any sort of joints, ie: it has no knees or elbows, the limbs just curve around.

2. It's neck is so rigid theres one vid where you can see a shadow underneath it, its like a pole. If it had a real segmented spine its neck would have some give to it to relieve the stress on it. Further evidence of this is when he move it's head, the entire neck is locked with it, the shoulders don't shift either, it's clearly a single piece!

3. Throughout the videos he also has him laying in very unnatural positions, if you do them you'll see what I mean. Hes flat on his back, legs forward/bent out to one side, arms either to each side or out like his legs.
You either start to roll the side your legs are pointing or your legs straighten out to be in line with your spine... if you have one.
If you were to fall into a heap on the ground or have someone dump you on the floor, its very unlikely you'd end up like that if you were alive.

4. Now obviously someone could point out 'how do you know what an aliens physiology is like!'. Aha!, but there are a few things that an alien has to possess to function on this planet under our gravity, ie; a [B]spine[/B], a musculature/tendon system sufficient to allow it to move (and in this case fight with a dog), bones and therefor joints.

5. Hands would be very hard to replicate realistically with all the joints so he's obscured them.

I know most of you probably think it's as blatantly obvious as me, I'm giving my 0.02 just to further reinforce with those behind this BS that they aren't fooling anyone. Upon looking into this case, hes already released this crap before the net really took off, wrote a book, then got debunked without mercy. IMO he thinks its all blown over, that the net doesn't yet know of his shenanigans and re-releasing this with a new spin will get his book into another printing having long tapered off and sell his new DVD.

People like this guy take legitimacy away from the whole phenomena, he should be held accountable for perpetrating a hoax.

Mr. Rutter, you sir, are a charlatan

Fire in the Sky was mentioned here because of a perceived look-a-like alien. Was the Travis Walton story debunked as well? And if not, his description of those entities may have been used by the prop department for the movie. There could conceivably be more of the same species cruising about. As far as the lack of video at important moments when the alien allegedly moved about does not dis-prove much. I know, because my own video camera is usually in need of a charge when I want it most. Perhaps it was audio or nothing? I read through many pages of material which surely tear up "Dr. Reed's" reputation. And he appears to be a screw up and a liar in a personal sense, but that does not mean a scumbag can't have an encounter. Maybe he is just an easy target for the damage control machine. Lee Harvey Oswald comes to mind. A colored past can scuttle political ambitions in a wink. Never mind someone who is trying to document and present something like this. I am just kicking this around without a definite opinion one way or the other. I am not an expert on anything that would help with a decision.

just for thought.
1) anyone breathing that hard, would have a hard time holding the camera like this person did when focusing on a ufo or the otherworldly being. i feel that they have looped heavy breathing into this video. but im not sure.

2) If the alien was able to "rip the skin off the dog" and there was a ship in the area, would this man really have been able to walk up to it and hit it with a stick without conciquences?

3) watch the examination video. I dont know if this was the man who saw it, bringing "the being" back to his house: but the "examiner" is being recorded and is not loging anything he/she does at all. all doctors upon examining a "patient" speak out loud when they are doing anything with the subject, in order to create a file. whether the subject be terestrial or not, and the recorder be government or not.

4)criti

I agree with the majoritty of people here i think it is a fake

Yay for another grainy video footage of another alien disection.

Fake completely, Generic model with gold foil wrapped around and video image edited to create the blinking eye thing there focusing on.

Seriously, try better next time.

I know a lot of people say he is a fake and or a hoax.

But don't you think it's a bit ironic that he was shot at before after showing his footage?

I know a lot of you say he lacks the other video tapes and all. But if I remember correctly "agents" broke into his house and took a lot of his stuff. So..that rules out him lacking footage.

Now remember.
If any of us caught and alien we wouldn't call anyone. We would be documenting all of it and then hiding the camera in the garden out back. And agents wouldn't show up or anything unless they were tipped off.

This man called around and his buddy probably told someone and the agents were tipped off and came and took his stuff. When people can reach to something out of this world they are GOING to panic.

Remember the key point is: The government is NOT your friend.
Your fellow UFO Community is the only ones would to be your friend and the first to show up when you have a captured alien or so.