Originally posted by mr-lizard
I myself have quoted similar things, but because I'm from the UK, i get tagged with the 'nauseating' title of being 'anti-american?', when actually the reason people like me and the others actually want you to sort your country out ...[edit on 16-5-2008 by mr-lizard]

Excuse me, but let me kindly suggest that you sort your own country out first, before concerning yourself with tthe U.S. or any other country. Quite frankly, if we needed your help with this sort of thing, we'd still be part of the "commonwealth" and pretend that we had a queen.

Don't know where to start? Try dealing with your own immigration issues for a start. Didn't we recently read that the head of your church thinks that allowing muslims to practice sharia law outside the English legal system was a good idea? I mean just wow! Can see a ton of problems developing from just that issue alone. So, off you go to work on that and other local issues, and we'll talk with you again at some later date - unless you need our help with any of that.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]

Face in Sedonia just seen turning and coughing.

Stay tuned for further details.

BREAKING........


__________________________________________

I cant wait for the Bushman to go- just go.

Originally posted by dgtempe


Face in Sedonia just seen turning and coughing.

Stay tuned for further details.

BREAKING........

__________________________________________

I cant wait for the Bushman to go- just go.

Really? Tell me more.

Any word from (the faces on) Mt. Rushmore?




[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by centurion1211

Excuse me, but let me kindly suggest that you sort your own country out first, before concerning yourself with tthe U.S. or any other country. Quite frankly, if we needed your help with this sort of thing, we'd still be part of the "commonwealth" and pretend that we had a queen.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]

Im from the UK, and whilst i do understand your sentiment, I feel that was quite condescending towards that other poster, and uncalled for. I know the Uk has problems (big ones at that), but surely i, and others, can still talk about global issues.

Just want to say, that over the years, this Administration
has done a fabulous job of changing my opinion of them,
without any help from anyone on this forum.

With that said, I agree wholeheartedly with everything DD has to say. This Administration has made it abundantly clear that they do NOT hold our best interests in mind. They should be independently investigated, and 9-11 should be re-investigated. I don't ever want to think about my country torturing again. I don't ever want to feel like MY President and his Administration are guilty of War Crimes. I want Congress to be investigated too. Bush says his biggest fear is another 9-11 after a Democrat gets elected, while he sits in office prodding the biggest wasp nest and the backdoor is WIDE OPEN. Talk about creating more problems for my Country than solving. This is NOT what I voted for.

The real shame are the people who aren't up in arms
with what this Aministration has done to our Republic.

Originally posted by JCM64

Originally posted by centurion1211

Excuse me, but let me kindly suggest that you sort your own country out first, before concerning yourself with tthe U.S. or any other country. Quite frankly, if we needed your help with this sort of thing, we'd still be part of the "commonwealth" and pretend that we had a queen.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]

Im from the UK, and whilst i do understand your sentiment, I feel that was quite condescending towards that other poster, and uncalled for. I know the Uk has problems (big ones at that), but surely i, and others, can still talk about global issues.

Originally posted by JCM64

Originally posted by centurion1211

Excuse me, but let me kindly suggest that you sort your own country out first, before concerning yourself with tthe U.S. or any other country. Quite frankly, if we needed your help with this sort of thing, we'd still be part of the "commonwealth" and pretend that we had a queen.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]

Im from the UK, and whilst i do understand your sentiment, I feel that was quite condescending towards that other poster, and uncalled for. I know the Uk has problems (big ones at that), but surely i, and others, can still talk about global issues.

Since you you understand my sentiments, then surely you can also understand how it can have grown so tiresome to read post after post from people with no clue on how to keep their own house in order telling me (or us) how we should fix ours. My point is exactly this: if you have even one iota of energy that you feel can be devoted to "fixing something", then start at home. And when you finally have everything perfect there, then you can start offering us some advice. Isn't the rest of the world always complaining be cause the U.S. tries to meddle in their affairs? Well, to complain and then do the same in reverse is nothing short of hypocritical. "Talking about global issues" is not the same as the poster's comments about "wanting us to sort our country out" that I took issue with.

You mentioned that "the Uk has problems (big ones at that)", so please go ahead and sort those all out - while we can still have this conversation in English.

Poor,poor old america. Once the dream destination of the worlds people tired of repressive laws, in fear of being heard saying the wrong thing,the wrong colour or background.................now these are surfacing in america the same way
PleaseI want to look up proudly to a great nation and feel secure in the knowledge of the integrity of its leaders.

I suggest to any one who hasn't seen it to watch Michael Moores movie "Fahrenheit 9/11 ". It shows you Bushs connections to the Carlisle Group and how alot of the people at postions of power in the United State Goverment don't want the war to end becuase thier getting paid off of it. Sad but true.

You either buy into the media representation that anyone opposing the US reenactment of the Holy Roman Empire is a nutjob, or terrorist. Or you buy into traditional values and know we are on a hell bound train.

This is an election year. We have the power, but either too many are hypnotized, or we truly are nutjobs. The bit about us being potential terrorists, tells me we are not nutters!

We need a hero not sanctioned by the system, and for all I know even those who look like potential candidates for that position are carefully crafted shills. The problem is getting enough exposures of reality through the filters to those who are sleep walking. That will not happen by posting here. I am open for suggestions. I can tell you that the web alone will not do the job.

Originally posted by Bcs8484
I suggest to any one who hasn't seen it to watch Michael Moores movie "Fahrenheit 9/11 ". It shows you Bushs connections to the Carlisle Group and how alot of the people at postions of power in the United State Goverment don't want the war to end becuase thier getting paid off of it. Sad but true.

Or.. you could find that post on ATS where I learned that 25%! of congressmen in the states have investments with DOD!?!?

Whenever there is a budget to prolong any war, past or present, those budgets go to industries that benefit any and all who have vested interests financially.

And a side thought.... no wonder the US government wants to call the internet a threat... its information like this and a lot more which can enlighten all those able to access information that would take them out of their "box" to see the big picture.

[edit on 17-5-2008 by Willbert]

The bottom of the first paragraph says we, The People, "permitted it". I am sick of hearing this BS rationalization. The People have indicted the so called "representatives" and the response is always the same: evade the indictments and obfuscate, ignore The People, use denial, pass the buck, etc. Only the criminally insane corporate mouthpieces would dare to rationalize this mess by saying The People "permitted it".

"Speak not of Revolution unless you are willing to die before the revolution comes."

And thats the point. Everybody knows but too few are concerned enough to make sacrifices. While our "elected leaders" do not second guess making whichever sacrifice is needed.

Most are not in a "stand up and fight" mode but "sit back and rant". I won't exclude myself there but not without feeling ashamed and rather helpless

[edit on 17-5-2008 by nirbid]

Apparently his affiliations haven't hurt his bottom line either. Just read an article yesterday showing his net worth went from something like 30 mil to 300 mil. Halliburton been 'vely vely good to him'.

What a bunch of sheep.
If you think you are powerless you are a fool who has let him/herself be brainwashed into thinking one person cannot change the world. History proves time and again that one person can make a world of difference.

Nobody is powerless. The sad truth is that most people choose to not do anything about it. Its a choice to go to work every day and to pay your bills instead of rising up against your enemies en masse with guns and bombs. Theres hardly a conspiracy here, the politicians are just capitolizing on the human drive to maintain the status quo. People are comfortable with their routine. On top of that most paths to change require a massive sacrifice of life. Few are willing to die for what they believe.

If you look at the school and workplace shootings that have grown more and more frequent in the last 5 to 10 years what you are seeing is the alienated and disenfranchised people who by being ostracized have not totally absorbed the party line of propeganda. People outside of a system have better perspective on the system in question. Unfortunately in being segregated they lack the organization for true revolution in the classic sense, and finding their existence both unecessary and unpleasant, seek to destroy the society around them which they see as monstrous and evil. Those who have conformed and found social acceptance will rarely ever reach the same conclusions which seem obvious to the outsider.