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reply posted on 17-5-2008 @ 08:36 AM by centurion1211
Originally posted by JCM64
Originally posted by centurion1211

Excuse me, but let me kindly suggest that you sort your own country out first, before concerning yourself with tthe U.S. or any other country. Quite frankly, if we needed your help with this sort of thing, we'd still be part of the "commonwealth" and pretend that we had a queen.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]


Im from the UK, and whilst i do understand your sentiment, I feel that was quite condescending towards that other poster, and uncalled for. I know the Uk has problems (big ones at that), but surely i, and others, can still talk about global issues.


Originally posted by JCM64
Originally posted by centurion1211

Excuse me, but let me kindly suggest that you sort your own country out first, before concerning yourself with tthe U.S. or any other country. Quite frankly, if we needed your help with this sort of thing, we'd still be part of the "commonwealth" and pretend that we had a queen.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by centurion1211]


Im from the UK, and whilst i do understand your sentiment, I feel that was quite condescending towards that other poster, and uncalled for. I know the Uk has problems (big ones at that), but surely i, and others, can still talk about global issues.


Since you you understand my sentiments, then surely you can also understand how it can have grown so tiresome to read post after post from people with no clue on how to keep their own house in order telling me (or us) how we should fix ours. My point is exactly this: if you have even one iota of energy that you feel can be devoted to "fixing something", then start at home. And when you finally have everything perfect there, then you can start offering us some advice. Isn't the rest of the world always complaining be cause the U.S. tries to meddle in their affairs? Well, to complain and then do the same in reverse is nothing short of hypocritical. "Talking about global issues" is not the same as the poster's comments about "wanting us to sort our country out" that I took issue with.

You mentioned that "the Uk has problems (big ones at that)", so please go ahead and sort those all out - while we can still have this conversation in English.


reply posted on 17-5-2008 @ 10:30 AM by bovarcher
reply to post by DimensionalDetective



Well DD, some of your posts do come across as rather extremist rants, and the effect they have on the curious and uncommitted reader is obviously going to be a turn-off.

The undermining of the original ideals laid down in The Constitution and The Bill of Rights goes way, way back before Cheney. The manipulation of power by vested interests and Intels claiming 'national security' as justifying secrecy and riding roughshod over the law goes back to at least 1941, and possibly even to the C19. Cheney just happens to be prominently visible in the current administration, so the unsophisticated analysis ignorant of real history claims this has all happened in the past few years. It hasn't.

Take a look at Rich Dolan's recent article on the coming war with Iran:

www.keyholepublishing.com...

for a deeper perspective.

Cheers.



reply posted on 17-5-2008 @ 04:18 PM by Willbert
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to
post by DimensionalDetective



It is only you that seems to be "squirting out" anything.

I feel my questions are valid and I see questions like it asked all the time when threads don't seem to fit the forum they are opened in. Again, exactly how is a tired rehash of literally thousands of previous Bush/U.S. bashing threads = breaking alternative news? Where is your breaking new information, or does it just somehow make you feel better to keep on on beating an (almost) dead horse?

Show us the new info, or take a chill pill ... Sheesh!






Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

-- Dylan Thomas


Yes he does have quite a bit of pts... this is not to say he accumulates them based on posts alone.. I myself found my pts increasing recently and it was not due to added posts but the "star" some posters wish to place upon others who they can relate too or agree with.

Relating does not necessarily mean that one agrees with certainty what another thoughts are, just that someone is able to comprehend what the other view is.

This is not bus bashing but a "history" of what was and what may be. Unless you found a "chink" in the bush bashing/US armour then by all means bring your views and opinions.

If all you really are looking to do is compare your personal view on another posting style... then your contribution not only here but on this board reflects the same view your wishing to place on the OP.


Peace...


reply posted on 18-5-2008 @ 01:33 AM by Earthscum
I'm on DD's side on this... keep posting, I'll keep reading. As long as you don't turn into another Michael Moore, lol... sorry, but I just don't like the guy. He found a nitche to make money, that's it.

As far as "It's election year", "November is coming soon", etc.... so what? We vote a new pres in, and we're still stuck with the old jackasses until like February? We still have another 9 months for them to completely ruin us (not just Americans. Those countries that rely on us, the countries we've already ruined... and how many other countries are Bush/Cheney going to decide we need to police before their leave?). Also, what makes you think the elections are going to be fair? What makes you think your vote really counts? And for that matter, what makes you think they will even count your vote?

Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Voting Irregularities

Heck... I'll make it easy... just google: Voting Fraud 2000
and
Voting Fraud 2004

As for Cheney and Bush doing all this just for Oil, I dunno... there was an ATS thread about some Alaska oil field. Gull Island. It was fairly recent, if I recall. Anyways, here:
Gull Island Oil - Google

That's alot of war if we are holding the largest field... unless it's kept quiet so no other countries try pulling an "Operation Liberate Alaska" scheme like the Bush clan has with Iraq.

Personally, I'm sick of the crap. I'm sick of the reinterpretations to suit their needs, I don't think a 'NEW" president will be any better, either. That is MY opinion. Don't argue with it, just state your own opinion. If ya don't like this thread, don't read it. If you don't like how DD is getting so many points, DON'T POST! He gets points for your replies. It's that simple. Just ignore him like you've been ignoring the problems around us.


reply posted on 18-5-2008 @ 02:22 AM by scarlett1125
reply to post by Scramjet76


I'm curious. Do you really foresee any big changes after November? Or will it be more of the same crap that we've lived with for the last 2 years after the dems took Congress and the Senate and then just started giving us a long list of excuses?
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