Given the confusion and chaos which was happening that day there were
a lot of bizarre and wrong reports circulating. One call to the NYPD
stated that someone on WOOLWORTH building was shooting missiles
at WTC! To come back years later when we know a lot of this stuff
was simply plain wrong and try to manufacture some conspiracy
tale of it is beyond kookism. To use this garbage to blame Israel or
"da JOOS" enters the realm of anti Semitism......

Below is a letter sent from US President Roosevelt to Ibn Saud the head of the Saudi Royal family:



5 April 1945



GREAT AND GOOD FRIEND:


I have received the communication which Your Majesty sent me under date of March 10, 1945, in which you refer to the question of Palestine and to the continuing interest of the Arabs in current developments affecting that country.


I am gratified that Your Majesty took this occasion to bring your views on this question to my attention and I have given the most careful attention to the statements which you make in your letter. I am also mindful of the memorable conversation which we had not so long ago and in the course of which I had an opportunity to obtain so vivid an impression of Your Majesty's sentiments on this question.


Your Majesty will recall that on previous occasions I communicated to you the attitude of the American Government toward Palestine and made clear our desire that no decision be taken with respect to the basic situation in that country without full consultation with both Arabs and Jews.


Your Majesty will also doubtless recall that during our recent conversation I assured you that I would take no action, in my capacity as Chief of the Executive Branch of this Government, which might prove hostile to the Arab people.


It gives me pleasure to renew to Your Majesty the assurances which you have previously received regarding the attitude of my Government and my own, as Chief Executive, with regard to the question of Palestine and to inform you that the policy of this Government in this respect is unchanged.


I desire also at this time to send you my best wishes for Your Majesty's continued good health and for the welfare of your people.


Your Good Friend,

FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT


His Majesty
ABDUL AZIZ IBN ABDUR RAHMAN AL FAISAL AL SAUD
King of Saudi Arabia
Riyadh



This letter was written some 3 years before British occupation of Palestine expired. The “memorable conversation”, that Roosevelt refers to was conducted on the USS Quincy on February 14th, 1945, just 3 days after the Yalta Conference during which the three world powers; Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin met to divide post WWII Europe and arguably the “free” world since there was no one that could stand in their way.



The exact conversation on between Roosevelt and Ibn Saud is not recorded anywhere to my knowledge but based upon the actions and inactions that followed one can assume what was discussed.



Roosevelt carefully chose his words in describing how he would lead the US as it pertains to the Jews seeking a Jewish homeland in Palestine.



“Your Majesty will also doubtless recall that during our recent conversation I assured you that I would take no action, in my capacity as Chief of the Executive Branch of this Government, which might prove hostile to the Arab people.”



In keeping true to his assurance, Roosevelt with the support of Great Britain imposed a trade embargo on Palestine preventing not only the importation of weapons, but they also prevented the immigration of military age males. The goal of preventing the Jews from being able to defend themselves was obvious.



Now put yourself in the shoes of the Jews during that period in time… First you have Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’ that pulled Jews out of their homes, burned and looted their temples, homes, and businesses and then shipped them into concentration slave camps where most of the women, children, and elderly were killed first and the women that were left were often kept as sex slaves. The men that could work, did so until their bodies collapsed and then they were slaughtered. Auschwitz at its peak was killing 12,000 mainly Jews per day.



[edit on 17-5-2008 by AdamLTucker]

When the MS St. Luis, a ship full of over 900 Jews arrived in North America, they first sought safe harbor in Cuba, but due to pressure from the US, Cuba refused them. They then went to the United States who also refused them, and finally they went to Canada who for similar pressure from Roosevelt and the US, also refused safe harbor. So the 900+ Jews that escaped Nazi occupied Europe were forced to return for what one would assume was certain death.



So to recap the Jews were not safe in Europe, not welcome in the United States and had no place to go.



David Ben-Gurion’s original vision of Israel was to coexist with the Palestinians but when Ibn Saud made it clear that if he was to supply cheap oil to the United States, there could be no Jewish homeland in Palestine.



Roosevelt who was a virulent anti-Semite had no problem with this arrangement as he saw it very simply the Arabs have oil the Jews don’t; and as Roosevelt knew, the US world domination pivoted on their access to cheap fuel and additionally if the US had exclusive access to the massive Saudi oil reserves than it meant that no other nation could have the means to compete for “king of the hill”.



Now let’s go back to May 15, 1948; the Day that British occupation expired and the day that people like British Field Marshall Montgomery thought the Jews would be pushed into the sea.



Once it was established that the Jewish Underground led by David Ben-Gurion was not going to go “quietly”, the United States began escorting Egyptian bombers as they attacked the Jewish forces.



What the “Allies” didn’t know was that Field Marshal Jan Smuts who was second in command to Churchill was supplying the military strategies to Ben-Gurion so that the limited forces that they did have could be allocated efficiently.



Remember this is only 3 years after the end of WWII, so not only were 6 million of them wiped out but those that remained were fighting for their lives and they had two of the world’s most powerful militaries supporting their annihilation. Ben-Gurion and the Jewish Underground did not want to fight anymore, but it was life or death, and they had no choice but to fight for their survival.



As time went on and the US needed to maintain the support of its people, the US went as far as to supply funding to Israel to buy US made weapon systems. But this was a double edged sword because the US was also selling these weapon systems to Israel’s “enemies” which meant that not only did Israel have no choice but to accept the weapon systems but it meant that their enemies would invariably know the weapons weaknesses as well as how to defend against them; so in a sense they were/are useless. But it provide the appearance of a positive relation with Israel which made the US Jews content and sold the image of the US/Israeli alliance to the world.



Now lets go to June 5, 1967 also known as the 6-day War. The days leading up to June 5, were met with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria who had been amassing military forces along their Israeli borders. This was known to the world and in particular the UN when the United States sent a representative to tell the UN that they would not get involved in the impending war and that they had no military presence within 350 miles of Israel.



As you probably know, the Israeli Air Force led a preemptive strike on the air forces of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan and within 4 hours had destroyed most of their jets and airfields thus leaving the ground forces virtually defenseless to Israel’s air attacks.


What you may not know about was a US spy ship that was located just off the coast of Egypt called the USS Liberty. It was the United States most high-tech spy ship at the time and was later discovered by intercepted communications by Israel that it was coordinating the Arab efforts. So two days into the 6-day war, Israel sent fighter jets and torpedo ships to attack the USS Liberty which resulted in some 33 US casualties and over 120 in

This attack was dismissed by both Israel as well as the US Congress as an “accident” however it did make a permanent record of the United States not only lying about not being involved but in the very lease spying on an ally as they were expected to be slaughtered.



If I knew that a friend was going to be attacked I would not sit back and watch from a safe distance let alone take notes on them.



In line with listening to actions and inactions instead of words, let’s look at Israel’s in action in flexing its military muscle. It is clear that they have nuclear weapons, it is clear that they have no problem in defending themselves despite being surrounded by nations that what them destroyed; but even despite all that they have not used their military to conquer the Middle-East and they have not used nuclear weapons against anyone.



On the contrary, the United States is the only nation in the world to use nuclear weapons and more over on a dense civilian population; twice.



We are at a unique place in time. For the first time, people can communicate across the world at the speed of light. And for the first time History is not only being written by the people in power.



The real question that you should ask is not who are the terrorist, because they will come and go with the tide; but more over, who benefits from war?



We all have mothers and fathers, some of us sisters, brother, sons, and daughters. We have the capability of producing food for everyone, we have the ability to provide clean drinking water to everyone, and we have medical technology to heal us. So why are we still fighting?



Have you ever asked yourself who benefits from war?



1) Weapons manufacturers – What do they do when there is no enemy to fight?

2) Military – How can they justify their jobs if there is not enemy to fight?

3) Government – They use fear to take control from their people.

4) Banks – They finance all sides of opposition since their only loyalty is to money.

5) Grassroots organizations – They may be “charities” but they are still a business that requires conflict to justify their existence.



As long as there is incentive to fight, and as long as the masses allow it, we will continue to kill each other and the justifications with change as the enemies change.

Can we please axe this thread, this is digusting to see this kind of trash on this site. Yes i know there are alot of offensive stuff posted here but this goes beyond offensive. I dont see posts on here about us going back to slavery, i assume because of the racial component, then pls lets get rid of this...in it in the best intrest of everyone, this hatred turns websites and blogs into trash.

America/Israel are both responsible for the 9/11 attacks IMO. These are the only 2 countries that have anything to gain from the attack really, Adam used a few examples of some in a few posts above. Surely Israel needs more land and to get Palestinians off their back from trying to get their land back, so what better way to gain power in the middle east than creating a reason for America to start a war over there to take control, did you really think the terrorists would pull a stupid move like that knowing America would meet them head on with it? Hell No!!
So what did America gain from this? "MONEY" of course! They wanted to grab up that oil real quick because they knew the economy was slipping and had to pull drastic measures in order to get us back on track.... I'm not sure how many billions they've already gotten from charities/merchandise from 9/11, I remember flags being a hot item at that time....
Anyhow didn't wanna make this post so large so just come debunk and ridicule my post, not using facts to back anything up just stating possible reasons for the attacks and who gains from them...

Let's Please Stay On Topic

Some members are complaining about the subject of this discussion, and some apparently feel this should be some sort of referendum about Israel, the Iraq war, America in general or whatever.

Discussion of this theory is on-topic and valid for this forum.

Let's please avoid the temptation to change the subject, editorialize on unrelated issues or otherwise attempt to derail the discussion and focus on the thesis presented:

Israelis were behind 9-11 !!

If you agree, that's fine. If you disagree, that's fine. In either case, your opinions regarding the topic are welcome.

If you are unable to cogently discuss this subject for any reason, please don't hesitate to move on to one of the hundreds of thousands of other topics available.

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(Mod edit: Please, let's just stay on topic. -- Majic)

[edit on 5/17/2008 by Majic]

Yes the Israelis were behind 911, with the help of the U.S.