You sure, you seem so angry a little while ago and it seems you still are.
You know this isn't helpful. "You sure?" Like what? I'm secretly out to get you to shut up? I don't want that, I want you to address the real issues here. I'm hardly angry with you. Not even a little irritated I'm actually enjoying this debate and look forward to further ones. But I would like to see this debate move on beyond the shaky foundations of divisive propaganda and move on to something with substance. I harbor no ill-feelings for you in any shape or form.
what exactly does this mean?
It means that your assertions of his character in relation to the Muslim community is inherently wrong, and it seems to painful for you to actually look at the information out there. I posted those links because in an earlier post you asked me to provide you with the conversation points to address real issues, and Obama's politics, and when I did that you dismissed it outright.
What are your trying to say? Is this hypocrisy I see?
How so? You are accusing Obama supporters of being stupid and blindly following when I, as an Obama supporter have proven to you that I check my sources and I check my candidate. And all I want to do is discuss the economy, not one thread has attacked Obama's economy policies, or his war policies, or his fiscal policies, or his health care policies. It's just muslim this and muslim that, and the accusations fly without thought to substantiating claims.
My problem with Obama, as it relates to this thread, is how the media and Obama supporters seem to try to hide any dealings with Muslims. The reason why I say this is because the Obama followers know that any publicity with Obama and a Muslim will arouse suspicions among many Americans( I never said they were the correct suspicions) that Obama is secretly a Muslim. This will in turn affect Obama's vote in a possible general election.
Then I apologize for the misinterpretation but you did make it seem that way. Seriously my apologies.
I don't hide any point of contention. I meet challenges I don't sweep them under the carpet. If you have this pre-conceived notion that all Obama supporters are one thing or another then how are we to come to a middle ground in a debate? I'm going to ask you for a bit of objectivity when it come to supporters. I don't care how slanted you get on Obama, just try to treat your fellow Americans with a bit more respect and acknowledgement of intelligence.
On the other hand, I remember when the media pointed out gleefully how Bush had old ties to the Saudi's. See the hypocrisy? (look above in your own words to find an example)
That is because Bush has ties to oil companies and and is part of the problem as far as our oil crisis is concerned. Obama's campaign associations(Like Muslim spokesmen and women) are about bridging gaps, Bush's associations are about money and how to further his idiotic war agenda, and how to further exploit other countries for their resources.
The hypocrisy is maintaining a relationship with a country's leadership that is oppressive to the core, and profiting from it, while at the same time condemning the practices in other nations we're not invested in.
The media is in it for Obama. This is easy to prove. I bet if a republican had any past that would link him to anything Muslim, the media would be all over it.
Um, so this is about party? There are TONS of Republicans and Democrats who have ties to muslims, but not clerics, oil rich oppressive dictators yes, but not peace preaching clerics...God figure. It's all in the subtleties.
By the way to prove that I don't think Obama is a closet muslim i'll give you this, www.blackagendareport.com...
Obama should always keep military options open. But I will say this, I don't much agree with his stance on this. But at the same time I don't think it will ever come to that.
When he made that comment the first time the military had used it's overflight privileges in Pakistan to hit targets just inside. So what would Obama be doing that the current Admin isn't? We have to finish the war in Afghanistan, and in order to do that we have to resupply and redeploy and finish what we started. Part of that is going to be handled in Pakistan because that's where Osama is right?
[edit on 21-5-2008 by projectvxn]