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reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 11:20 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by UFOBountyHunter


What I find offensive is people who think Obama supporters are in some trance because he's a good orator.

This is getting extremely old seeing every single anti-Obama person saying and thinking this, but somehow the OBAMA supporters are the ones who can't think for themselves.

Doesn't make much sense.


reply posted on 20-5-2008 @ 11:28 PM by wytworm
Originally posted by Jdubbas1
Ok, it does not matter who Obama meets with. What does matter is that he is a liar, and a manipulator. If some people were not so tuned into just what the media tells them, they would finally realize all the bad things about Obama. The media is 1 of the biggest problems of today. Most are biased and literally tell you to not vote for a certain individual. Now back to Obama. Obama is not patriotic, he does not give any info on his "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN CAMPAIGN" so what is going to change? The truth is; nothing. The man does not salute the flag, nor wears his countries flag that he wants to lead. Come on people, if someone truly wanted to be the best candidate for the President of the United States, they better put on that pin. There's no fashion show going on, so put it on! Supposedly it is against his religion to do so, well if your religion effects the way you do your job, then your not qualified for it. There is believe it or not people, the separation of church and state. So do not bring your "place of worship" to the job. This IS exactly what Obama and ALL of his supporters apparently do not get. Most of his supporters are blind and ignorant Americans anyway. Not saying All of them Just most. Concluding my rant on this BSer I would like to state that if anyone does not agree with what I am saying, than that is your choice AND opinion. I have just expressed my own. Thanks for listening.



Oh were you saying something? I wasn't paying attention. Can you repeat it?


reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 01:54 PM by wutone
Originally posted by bigbert81
reply to post by UFOBountyHunter


What I find offensive is people who think Obama supporters are in some trance because he's a good orator.

This is getting extremely old seeing every single anti-Obama person saying and thinking this, but somehow the OBAMA supporters are the ones who can't think for themselves.

Doesn't make much sense.


Because Obama supporters are the example of critical and discerning voters




no evidence of any trance, move along.





reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 01:57 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by wutone


Yeah, you got us all pegged. All us Obama supporters are under his spell which you have somehow managed to deflect. What magical powers (and original thinking) you must possess.

All hail Obama!



reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 06:20 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by wutone


I find it ridiculous to what ends people will go to to discredit Obama.

Obama is really a muslim! Ahhhhhh!
Obama rhymes with Osama so he must be a secret terror leader! Ahhhhh!
Obama is a racist, Marxist, socialist, communist, hippie, islamo-facist, liberal, liar who is out to destroy America! Ahhhh!

Obama is now hypnotizing millions of people in order to brain wash America into(insert whatever ridiculous accusation here)! Ahhhhh!

Obama meets with Muslims leaders he must be cavorting with the enemy! Ahhhh!
Obama's family were actually immigrants at one time! Ahhhh

Obama is black! Ahhhhhh!

Seriously, when are you people going to start debating his politics instead of making crap up. You accuse Obama supporters of being stupid, in a trance, blind followers, yet you have to resort to demonizing tactics such as the ones above(All of which are either just plain ridiculous paranoid banter, or straight up smear campaigns). This is getting old. Start debating something of real substance, and stop making stuff up, telling us we're all stupid, and then not even backing up your claims with evidence. This is ATS, ATS is supposed to be about denying ignorance by COHERENT debate and not snappy shots at each other. I joined ATS because of the SERIOUS issues that are discussed here. But you people hijack thread after thread with ridiculous claims, false accusations of all kinds, and blatant personal insults to those who may have an opposing view. I am an Obama supporter, and I have yet to have a real debate over Obama's politics, instead we go through thread after thread of paranoid unthinking accusations. Why is there no policy debate? You hurt your side by not informing yourselves of Obama's position on the issues. And because of that you people resort to a witch hunt. Which just makes all of you look like paranoid idiots. It's just scare tactics and insults. And it's contributing nothing.



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reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 06:36 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by wutone


You just don't get it, do you?

Well, I'm not going to explain it again, if you would rather sit under the delusion that you are somehow better or more wise than me for liking Obama more than Hillary or McCain, go for it. The sad thing is, you apparently lack the ability to see what it is you're doing.

You are in a delusional, narcissistic world where you perceive yourself better than me or any other Obama supporter, and use crap you SHOULD know is BS, yet apparently don't, to further your points.

Get real, dude. It's getting extremely old and unoriginal.

[edit on 5/21/2008 by bigbert81]


reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 07:43 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by wutone



No I don't want you to shut up and I would never say that to you. Don't ever shut up(Even if your offending me).

What I would like to see is some facts some figures hard data about these accusations instead of more accusations. Know thy enemy. It isn't my job to do research for you, so it isn't my job to inform you about Obama's positions on anything.

But here's where you can start doing your own.
www.barackobama.com...
obama.senate.gov...
obamasresume.org...
www.ontheissues.org...
projects.washingtonpost.com... (Obama's Financial records)


Obama Speeches:

www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

That's a whole lot of info. Don't let it hurt your head when you don't find something in there that spells out secret-muslim-america hater.



reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 08:12 PM by bigbert81
reply to post by wutone


You honestly think that Obama supporters are different than any other big time celebrity fan or Hillary supporter or McCain supporter?

You're living in a dream world.


reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 08:32 PM by wutone
Originally posted by projectvxn
No I don't want you to shut up and I would never say that to you. Don't ever shut up(Even if your offending me).


You sure, you seem so angry a little while ago and it seems you still are.

Originally posted by projectvxn
That's a whole lot of info. Don't let it hurt your head when you don't find something in there that spells out secret-muslim-america hater.


what exactly does this mean?

Originally posted by projectvxn
You accuse Obama supporters of being stupid


What are your trying to say? Is this hypocrisy I see?

If you want to make a bunch of links, you should really make a bunch of threads because we are already way off topic.

My problem with Obama, as it relates to this thread, is how the media and Obama supporters seem to try to hide any dealings with Muslims. The reason why I say this is because the Obama followers know that any publicity with Obama and a Muslim will arouse suspicions among many Americans( I never said they were the correct suspicions) that Obama is secretly a Muslim. This will in turn affect Obama's vote in a possible general election.

On the other hand, I remember when the media pointed out gleefully how Bush had old ties to the Saudi's. See the hypocrisy? (look above in your own words to find an example)

The media is in it for Obama. This is easy to prove. I bet if a republican had any past that would link him to anything Muslim, the media would be all over it.

By the way to prove that I don't think Obama is a closet muslim i'll give you this, www.blackagendareport.com...
why would a muslim want to attack Pakistan?


reply posted on 21-5-2008 @ 08:37 PM by wytworm
reply to post by wutone



Originally posted by projectvxn
And because of that you people resort to a witch hunt. Which just makes all of you look like paranoid idiots. It's just scare tactics and insults.



And exactly what are you doing with your rant may I ask?

When have I attacked any specific member on ATS? I prefer to attack issues and possible issues. Well unless you are Obama.......


You are attacking him with this post! Irony blinders on? Hypocrisy is within your rights as well, but please lets call a pig a pig...


Just because you think one issue (obamacult) is trivial and meaningless, doesn't mean that that it isn't an important issue to another person.


It doesn't make it a relevant issue either.

If you can't hang with the 1st amendment then I don't know what to say but I am not going to keep quiet just because you are mad or just because someone else is mad. I haven't done anything that might affect the rights of someone else so you have no right to tell me to shut up


Irony blinders 2! Criticizing his relationship with the 1st amendment while demanding that he has no right to speak when you don't like what he is saying! OUCH...I cut myself on that irony it was so sharp...MEDIC!!!
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