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reply posted on 30-6-2008 @ 05:25 PM by Shawn B.


the great pyramid was incased in highly polished limestone which was later ripped off, so It's probably hard for a geologist to date it.

they just have to go off records, even though pharohs were known to modify records and the few hieroglyphs that are in there which could've been not put there till much long after it was built and some of those are known forgeries.



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reply posted on 1-7-2008 @ 12:06 AM by Hanslune




and some of those are known forgeries



Such as?



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reply posted on 3-7-2008 @ 10:30 PM by MeltDowN


Great thread other than someone arguing for the sake of arguing. I saw the show awhile back and it does have some interesting facts and opinions...and yes Hawass, refuses to make waves about history.



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reply posted on 5-7-2008 @ 11:16 AM by DREAMING MAN


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Thank you Meltdown for your assessment of argument, and Hawass.

IMHO Hawass is a dangerous man, as he has some hidden agenda.



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reply posted on 5-7-2008 @ 03:25 PM by Shawn B.



Originally posted by Hanslune



and some of those are known forgeries



Such as?


Col. Howard-Vyse forgery


Adding to this further is the fact that, where the right hieroglyph name for Khufu does appear, it is spelled wrong. The hieroglyph sources available to Col. Howard-Vyse in 1837, Sir John Gardner Wilkinson’s Material Hieroglyphia, and Leon de Laborde’s Voyage de l’Arabee Petree, incorrectly depicted the first symbol of Khufu’s name as an open circle with a dot in the middle—the sign of Ra, the sun god—instead of a solid disk, which is the phonetic sound kh. Col. Howard-Vyse made the fatal error of copying this mistake in the uppermost of the air space chambers, so that, when strictly translated, the name given is Raufu, and not Khufu. Again, nowhere else in all of Egyptian literature, except in the air space chamber inscriptions, is this aberrant spelling for Khufu found



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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 01:45 AM by Hanslune


Howdy Shawn B


Col. Howard-Vyse forgery

Stower demolishes Sitchin's theory in clear and simple language:

"In 1837, even Samuel Birch [Vyse's assistant and Sitchin's assumed forger] couldn't have faked the quarry marks. They have features which even experts didn't understand, but which have become clear since. In fact they fit in perfectly with later discoveries and later analyses."

Stower shows that the hieroglyphs' "misspellings" and errors were actually imperfections in 19th century knowledge of hieroglyphs projected onto the correctly-spelled hieroglyphs themselves.

Nevertheless, the authority of Zecharia Sitchin gave free licence to over a dozen alternative authors to cite the "forged" quarry marks as proof that Khufu did not build the pyramid.

For this reason von Däniken could still say in 1996's Eyes of the Sphinx: "[T]he Great Pyramid is a huge, largely anonymous work... There is not a single inscription that would indicate how it was [built]. No one left behind even the briefest note to answer any of our questions regarding its construction. The pyramid itself features no heiroglyphics at all [emphasis added]."

As we have seen from the earlier discussion of the quarry marks, this is patently false. Whether they are genuine or not, the quarry marks do exist, and they are hieroglyphics.

While von Däniken sticks to the forgery line, Graham Hancock changed his mind in the light of "new" evidence known to Egyptology since the 19th century. Says Hancock:

"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."

The link

No serious scholar believes these to be faked. This belief in there being faked is one of the odder aspects of high pyramidology. The charge was popularized by the Economists Sitchin who cannot read Egyptian. However about ten years ago an alternative theorist, Hancock was allowed into the chambers and based on his observation he rejected the theory.



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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 02:08 AM by RuneSpider


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Well, there you go then. Every ten or so odd years they need to let some decrier of Egyptology into the chamber to do a personal study and make his own observations. To make sure that they were sure as to the verifiable certitude of their predeccessors' obsefvations.



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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 02:19 AM by Hanslune


Howdy Runespider

Archaeology and especially Assyrialogy and Egyptology have a tendency to just ignore pseudo claims. Assyrialogy is legendary for it refusal to even note Sitchin and his heresies, LOL

Most professionals just don't have the time nor interest in correcting - argueing with pseudos.

A clash

At the Hall of Ma'at there was a brief clash between Robert Bauval and someone I believe is an archaeologists if no Egyptologists, that is Archae Solenhofen. You might find it interesting to read. About the sixth or seventh post is AS response to Bauvals stuff.

The last comments in the thread are a classic too



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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 02:54 AM by Shawn B.


meh, i'm not totally sold either way if there fake or not. all i can find are quotes of martin stower claiming there not because there was confusion on if Khufu was spelled right. i haven't seen detailed proof by him explaining why he believes that either or anyone else backing him with proof.



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reply posted on 8-7-2008 @ 09:29 PM by Hanslune


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If you want a more detailed explanation you can ask the people at the Hall of Ma'at or better yet search the ATS and Hall of Ma'at threads - this has been discussed ad nausem.

Good luck. Let us know what you find out and what you think is the truth.



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