Hollywood claims:

Geologists generally know how much it rained and where, it's not exact, but it's pretty good. It's a prety weak argument to try to disbelieve in Dr. Schoch's data by claiming geology only "assumes" how things were in the past but doesn't actually "know". They know, it's a science, there's no "Assuming".

Okay shows us the chart or graph that shows this and cite the published study it comes from.

Dr. Shcoch defeated all critiscisms at the AAAS debates and also was supported by the Geological Congress of America at their annual conference attended by 1400 of the top level geologists in the world.

How come the rest of the geologist aren't aware of this? LOL

Hey Hollywood try something other than propaganda.

280 geologists found the Sphinx data so interesting that they offered to personally help Dr. Schoch with any further research

Wow that's great

Perhaps one of them could produce that chart I asked for earlier?

This is the claim YOU made:

Geologists generally know how much it rained and where, it's not exact, but it's pretty good. It's a prety weak argument to try to disbelieve in Dr. Schoch's data by claiming geology only "assumes" how things were in the past but doesn't actually "know". They know, it's a science, there's no "Assuming".

You know the chart that shows the rainfall for AE from say 20,000 BP to 2,000 BP. Oh and what the acidity of that rain is - by year - if you don't mind. Plus the KNOWN erosion rate for the difference types of limestones that constitute the Sphinx enclosure.

Let me repeat my own stand, I find Dr. S's idea interesting and certainly not impossible. More work on the subject and much more data is needed (which is what those 280 were volunteering for) I do object to those who spout propaganda and distort what is known for there own agendas

So we'll be awaiting for those charts and graphs, eh? I know you just forgot to include them last time.

Is there a reason that this 'debate' has turned into a public flogging? From what I've seen and read, hollywod has explained himself and defended himself quite well. He came here to state that he believes the sphinx is older than is said and that it has evidence of rain erosion, i think we could all agree that there is a possibility for this? it isn't hard to accept this possibility is it?

Now, Shoche originally said 10,500 years, but then has since knocked it down to between 5000-7000, he has stated that he believes the weathering was caused by rainfall and not 'capillary weathering'. Now were as we can't say for definite that the Giza plateau was tropical 10,000 years ago, there is evidence that points to the possibility, so why has hollywood been asked to accumulate all kinds of weather graphs and rainfall charts? If Hawass can claim that the pyramids and sphinx were built by the Egyptians, surely hollywood can assume that it may have been tropical in Egypt millenia ago, for the sake of his argument?

Christ, Khufu himself said he never built them, what more do you want. #

Good luck hollywood

(It is still an assumption, just a well researched assumption and considering the amount of assumptions egyptology makes, I think your allowed one or two )

[edit on 26-5-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

Howdy Harte

That is interesting I too had thought his original date was 10,500, thanks for the corrected info!

Originally posted by Harte

Also, in reply to what was said about Schoch having "originally" dated the Sphinx carving to 10,500 BC, that is simply a lie. Schoch gave his date in his original paper and has stuck with it since.

Do you contend that the Sphinx was originally carved by Khafre?


edit: nevermind found the answer to my question re: Schoch...



[edit on 27-5-2008 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by PhotonEffect

Originally posted by Harte

Also, in reply to what was said about Schoch having "originally" dated the Sphinx carving to 10,500 BC, that is simply a lie. Schoch gave his date in his original paper and has stuck with it since.

Do you contend that the Sphinx was originally carved by Khafre?

edit: nevermind found the answer to my question re: Schoch...

[edit on 27-5-2008 by PhotonEffect]

If you're asking my opinion, I don't actually have one concerning who carved the Sphinx.

I'm quite certain, however, that it was the Ancient Egyptians. Which one? We may never know.

So no, I do not agree even with Schoch. But I agree even less with people that use Schoch as a reference yet mischaracterize (purposefully?) what Schoch has to say concerning the Sphinx.

Harte

Originally posted by Hanslune
That is the key point PE. Hollywood has made it is point to state the subject is known, there is decisive data, the consensus has decided and the matter is closed - it is not.

More work on the subject and much more data is needed (which is what those 280 were volunteering for) I do object to those who spout propaganda and distort what is known for there own agendas

Oh please,

What "Agendas" are you talking about? It's pretty funny to think that you're resorting to calling these facts as part of some vague "propaganda" campaign with sinister motives.

The rain erosion data is HARD data, and it's pretty convincing.

You're missing the real point here. Scientists and Archaeologists always claimed so loudly and insisted they knew everything. "Atlantis is just a fairy tale even though Plato wrote it as non fiction. Edgar Cayce couldn't know anything. There in no paranormal phenomena, God is not real, people came from Apes," etc

And yet here we have it. On the dating for the Sphinx, the scientists have been proven beyond ANY DOUBT TO BE WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.
CASE CLOSED. SCIENCE GOT IT WRONG.

Yet the rain erosion data does not rule out the dating we've all known inside to be true all along, 10,500 BC

The case is closed on 2,500 BC, but it's not closed on 10,500 BC.

[edit on 27-5-2008 by Hollywood11]

Originally posted by Harte

If you're asking my opinion, I don't actually have one concerning who carved the Sphinx.

I'm quite certain, however, that it was the Ancient Egyptians. Which one? We may never know.

I was and I find your response interesting.

Do you contend then that Khafre built the pyramid ascribed to him?

So no, I do not agree even with Schoch. But I agree even less with people that use Schoch as a reference yet mischaracterize (purposefully?) what Schoch has to say concerning the Sphinx.

What about Colin Reader?

The bottom line is that whatever methods Dr. Schoch and others have used, they were geologically and scientifically legitimate and this is hard evidence of rain eorosion.

And yet here we have it. On the dating for the Sphinx, the scientists have been proven beyond ANY DOUBT TO BE WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

I see you are maintaining your rational status.

Rain erosion is hard data, the scientific worldview loses again.

oh so we have "Forbidden Sphinx" over here.. I see.( FS I dare ya to say that three times really fast) Wonder if when they say the Nile floods, it really, really floods. Or maybe the erosion happened really fast, like in The Great Flood. Maybe the Ark of the Cov is in the Hall of Records. The face is Black African? You mean the aliens are Black? I thought they were grey. Oh and I heard the aliens that built the structures were of golden skin. Egyptians called gold "Flesh of the Gods".