I'll go with fabrication, since I believe the real OBL is either dead, or if alive, just a scapegoat anyway.

I remember when MSNBC flashed a full screen picture of his face, BEFORE the second Twin Tower was even struck. It was pretty clear right then that he was being used as a scapegoat. How could MSNBC know and claim it was OBL before the second tower was even touched? Anyhow, I have to get to work.

The article raises a very good question: despite OBL's and AQ's interest in the Palestinians (assuming for the sake of argument that both he is alive and AQ exists), then why isn't there an active AQ presence in Gaza?

Originally posted by Ionized
I'll go with fabrication, since I believe the real OBL is either dead, or if alive, just a scapegoat anyway.

I remember when MSNBC flashed a full screen picture of his face, BEFORE the second Twin Tower was even struck. It was pretty clear right then that he was being used as a scapegoat. How could MSNBC know and claim it was OBL before the second tower was even touched? Anyhow, I have to get to work.

Ionized i have never heard of this OBL picture on MSNBC. Are there any links available to look into this. It interests me

People this is no coincidence. IT IS CONTRIVED. OBL my ass.

The neo-cons want nothing more than to turn the presidential election debate toward foreign policy. They think that it's McCain's only strong suit, because it damn sure isn't the economy, immigration, health care or education.

Come on! ATS has been talking about this for a year or more...an international flap/false flag will be used to pander to middle America's fear of terrorism and escalating warfare. Boom. Vote John McCain.

Watch for it, it's happening. WAKE UP!

I'm calling hoax.
OBL is a tool the media is using to create fear and cause confusion. It was funny when I watched FOX this morning and they were talking about the OBL tape and said how it had not been analyzed yet by officials and was therefore not proven to be authentic.

Then with the same breath the female reporter on FOX made the statement that some believe that the tapes are fake and she said that we should not believe that and said they are real.

Its nice to see all we need is the opinion of a FOX news reporter to corroborate the authentication based on mere speculation.

Its odd that they would make it a point to mention that and try to convince us to believe. Its so obvious that we are being played for fools and they think we can be lied to so easily.

Originally posted by budski
coincidence, reality or complete fabrication?

Reality - sort of. ( Read on .. you'll see what I mean)

Does OBL even exist,

Either he DID exist and is dead now ... or he's in very sorry physical shape and only manages to squeek out voice recordings. There hasn't been any new VIDEO of him. Only audio. His followers could be stringing together 'new' messages too.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
The neo-cons want nothing more than to turn the presidential election debate toward foreign policy.

That IS a major part of what the POTUS is supposed to be taking care of.


UBL and his minions will use any excuse to keep the battle up. They'll use the so-called 'Palestinian' issue or the fact that the Saudi Royal Family isn't muslim enough .. whatever. They will always have a beef with somebody over something. It'll be never ending and appeasement tactics won't work either.

How convenient. This seems to be another pentagon ploy to keep a perpetual war going. Osama(Or Tim Osman) is our guy, and we're never going to catch him. because he's not really a terrorist, he's our plant in the middle east to continue war of aggression for profit and resources that don't belong to us.

It's time people started waking up, Bin Laden is as real as Unicorns, Sept. 11th 2001 was an inside job, and at the center of it, within the torrent of lies and propaganda, lies the truth. It's only a matter of time.

Osama Bin Made up..... imo, hes supposed to be in the mountains yet, has Im guessing Verizon's New Broadband service, an some nice video an mic layout, not to mention his makeup artists an PR rep Mr. Media.

This dude just keeps on talkin an talkin an talking but really is he saying anything.... Not him but others are.

He is being used like a Wheel man, he gets the agenda to where it wants to go an then takes off when its time, in all honestly, He's a sham, OBL is being used by other groups IMO prolly bush too but other groups use him to promote their agendas as well,

I think hes being used.... if he was having kidney probs, He'd be dead by now, unless he's stealing blood from his followers an running it thru a dialysis machine.
I mean he's supposed to be in the mountains in afghan or pakistan, that area would kill most old men, but this dude is seeming fine,

Either the kidney thing was a hoax, or he is, Medical conditions in that kinda environment would kill 98% of people. I mean kidneys filter your fluids, to have problems with them would mean your not gonna be hiking. Your gonna be veggin out .

Maybe they have soe generators or something with a machine but I kinda doubt that, He would look really old soon with this problem, with the lack of his kidneys being able to filter his blood an urine correctly that would mean that certain vital minerals an other things wouldnt be fully reaching theyre needed areas, causing a Host of other problems down the road, be its been 5 years since we heard about the kidneys thing?

Either Pakistan is helping to heal him in secret or Dude is on his dead bed or grave.