Bin Laden marks Israel anniversary with combat vow

Bin Laden marks Israel anniversary with combat vow

www.reuters.com

Osama bin Laden vowed in an audio tape timed to coincide with Israel's 60th anniversary to continue to fight the Jewish state and its allies in the West.

Bin Laden has placed growing emphasis on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in recent pronouncements.

He said it was at the heart of the Muslim battle with the West and an inspiration to the 19 bombers who carried out the attacks on U.S. cities on September 11, 2001.

"We will continue, God permitting, the fight against the Israelis and their allies ... and will not give up a single inch of Palestine as long as there is one true Muslim on earth," the leader of al Qaeda said in the latest message, posted on an Islamist website on Friday.

(visit the link for the full news article)

So OBL surfaces again, just when dubya needs him most - coincidence, reality or complete fabrication?

Does OBL even exist, and if he does, how is he able to make and post audio and previoously video at will?

Some suggest that he's sitting in a CIA safe house somewhere, and trots out his masters spiel on command.

Others think he's dead, and has been for some time.

One thing we do know - it suits BOTH sides to trot out these pronouncements.

Coming soon will be OBL's ties to Iran - the perfect excuse to bomb them.

www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I'll go with fabrication, since I believe the real OBL is either dead, or if alive, just a scapegoat anyway.

I remember when MSNBC flashed a full screen picture of his face, BEFORE the second Twin Tower was even struck. It was pretty clear right then that he was being used as a scapegoat. How could MSNBC know and claim it was OBL before the second tower was even touched? Anyhow, I have to get to work.

The article raises a very good question: despite OBL's and AQ's interest in the Palestinians (assuming for the sake of argument that both he is alive and AQ exists), then why isn't there an active AQ presence in Gaza?

Originally posted by Ionized
I'll go with fabrication, since I believe the real OBL is either dead, or if alive, just a scapegoat anyway.

I remember when MSNBC flashed a full screen picture of his face, BEFORE the second Twin Tower was even struck. It was pretty clear right then that he was being used as a scapegoat. How could MSNBC know and claim it was OBL before the second tower was even touched? Anyhow, I have to get to work.

Ionized i have never heard of this OBL picture on MSNBC. Are there any links available to look into this. It interests me

"God permitting"?

Shouldn't that be "Allah Permitting", or has he switched faiths?

reply to post by thesaint


Sorry I don't know of any links to this on the internet, though I have heard from people on ATS that others saw it too. I will recall what I remember for you:

My housemates and I were getting ready to go to campus that morning for our classes. We had MSNBC on, and they were saying how 'there is evidence that OBL played a role' as they showed a full screen image of his face. This was within 15 minutes of the first tower being struck if I recall correctly, and was most definitely BEFORE the second plane hit. The talk about OBL continued right up to when the second tower was struck. At that point I had to go to campus, only to find that all classes had been canceled and also to find huge groups of people staring at the TVs around campus completely mesmerized by what they were being shown and told. Even heard people talking about OBL. It was absurd.

It was great propaganda though, flash a full screen image of a mans face while saying he did it, right in the midst of everyone being emotional. Seed the idea that it was OBL, and when that second plane hits people will already know who to hate. There were a lot of basic psychological techniques at play.

OBL And President Bush, used the 60th Anniversary as a springboard for their own agendas.

if interested see the 7:29 video of the Bush speech imbeded in this article:
thinkprogress.org...

where the Pres. is either 'fanning-the-flames' or is truely 'diligent in his warning' that claims the Democratic presidental hopefulls including Obama are acting like the nazi appeasers prior to WW2...because the Democrats
favor a policy of appeasement towards the terrorists of today (2008)


?? OBL & Bush&Co --->> the proverbial 1, 2 Punch ???

[edit on 16-5-2008 by St Udio]

reply to post by budski


So why dont they just trace the website and trace bin laden??? so much rubbish being posted these days..

People this is no coincidence. IT IS CONTRIVED. OBL my ass.

The neo-cons want nothing more than to turn the presidential election debate toward foreign policy. They think that it's McCain's only strong suit, because it damn sure isn't the economy, immigration, health care or education.

Come on! ATS has been talking about this for a year or more...an international flap/false flag will be used to pander to middle America's fear of terrorism and escalating warfare. Boom. Vote John McCain.

Watch for it, it's happening. WAKE UP!

reply to post by q_ball


Yep, it's that easy - cos the terrorists are soo stupid, by your reasoning.

I don't think OBL is anything other than a bogeyman for the citizenry of western and some mideast nations.

Something always gets dragged out about him.

BTW - if there's so much rubbish being posted, why not contribute something of merit yourself?

reply to post by gottago

That is a very good point. If Israel occupying Palestine was really the reason for the attacks, why isn't there an al Qaeda presence there? Why haven't they ever attacked Israel or any of their embassies?

Gets one thinking.

It does seem to be convenient timing for another tape release as well.

edit to add: I found an article that said that Hammas claims they do not want help from al Qaeda. Maybe thats why, but then why go around saying they will attack Israeli supporters for the people who say they don't want their help?

Hamas rejects al-Qaeda's support



[edit on 5/16/2008 by Hal9000]

I'm calling hoax.
OBL is a tool the media is using to create fear and cause confusion. It was funny when I watched FOX this morning and they were talking about the OBL tape and said how it had not been analyzed yet by officials and was therefore not proven to be authentic.

Then with the same breath the female reporter on FOX made the statement that some believe that the tapes are fake and she said that we should not believe that and said they are real.

Its nice to see all we need is the opinion of a FOX news reporter to corroborate the authentication based on mere speculation.

Its odd that they would make it a point to mention that and try to convince us to believe. Its so obvious that we are being played for fools and they think we can be lied to so easily.

reply to post by Digital_Reality


The question is WHY has the hoax been pulled, and by whom?

Perhaps the intelligence agencies really do think that we are all stupid and have the memory of goldfish.

Originally posted by budski
coincidence, reality or complete fabrication?

Reality - sort of. ( Read on .. you'll see what I mean)

Does OBL even exist,

Either he DID exist and is dead now ... or he's in very sorry physical shape and only manages to squeek out voice recordings. There hasn't been any new VIDEO of him. Only audio. His followers could be stringing together 'new' messages too.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
The neo-cons want nothing more than to turn the presidential election debate toward foreign policy.

That IS a major part of what the POTUS is supposed to be taking care of.


UBL and his minions will use any excuse to keep the battle up. They'll use the so-called 'Palestinian' issue or the fact that the Saudi Royal Family isn't muslim enough .. whatever. They will always have a beef with somebody over something. It'll be never ending and appeasement tactics won't work either.

How convenient. This seems to be another pentagon ploy to keep a perpetual war going. Osama(Or Tim Osman) is our guy, and we're never going to catch him. because he's not really a terrorist, he's our plant in the middle east to continue war of aggression for profit and resources that don't belong to us.

It's time people started waking up, Bin Laden is as real as Unicorns, Sept. 11th 2001 was an inside job, and at the center of it, within the torrent of lies and propaganda, lies the truth. It's only a matter of time.

reply to post by Hal9000


A simple explanation? Al-Qaeda has its own agenda that doesn't involve the Palestinians. They're simply using the Israel-Palestine issue as a recruiting tool, nothing more.

It may not be the correct explanation, but it is a very plausible one.

Osama Bin Made up..... imo, hes supposed to be in the mountains yet, has Im guessing Verizon's New Broadband service, an some nice video an mic layout, not to mention his makeup artists an PR rep Mr. Media.

This dude just keeps on talkin an talkin an talking but really is he saying anything.... Not him but others are.

He is being used like a Wheel man, he gets the agenda to where it wants to go an then takes off when its time, in all honestly, He's a sham, OBL is being used by other groups IMO prolly bush too but other groups use him to promote their agendas as well,

I think hes being used.... if he was having kidney probs, He'd be dead by now, unless he's stealing blood from his followers an running it thru a dialysis machine.
I mean he's supposed to be in the mountains in afghan or pakistan, that area would kill most old men, but this dude is seeming fine,

Either the kidney thing was a hoax, or he is, Medical conditions in that kinda environment would kill 98% of people. I mean kidneys filter your fluids, to have problems with them would mean your not gonna be hiking. Your gonna be veggin out .

Maybe they have soe generators or something with a machine but I kinda doubt that, He would look really old soon with this problem, with the lack of his kidneys being able to filter his blood an urine correctly that would mean that certain vital minerals an other things wouldnt be fully reaching theyre needed areas, causing a Host of other problems down the road, be its been 5 years since we heard about the kidneys thing?

Either Pakistan is helping to heal him in secret or Dude is on his dead bed or grave.

I've posted this before, but found another piece of info that I'd like to run by everybody.

Here is my previous post:

Read This:
www2.tbo.com...

Now we know where this is coming from:
www.liveleak.com...

and this:
just look at the logo in the corner.
i80.photobucket.com...

This might be of some interest for the U.S., have a look at the following data:

www.al-ekhlaas.net... and www.al-ekhlaas.net...

This is As-Sahab, the propaganda site of Al Qaeda.

journalism.about.com...

Now lets have a look at some info:

Whois:

www.who.is...

Registry Whois

Domain Search:

Domain Name: al-ekhlaas.net

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: COMPUTER SERVICES LANGENBACH GMBH DBA JOKER.COM
Whois Server: whois.joker.com
Referral URL: www.joker.com...

Expiration Date: 2009-01-05
Creation Date: 2006-01-05
Last Update Date: 2007-12-01

Name Servers:
ns1.al-taw7eed.com
ns2.al-taw7eed.com


Whoisdomain: al-ekhlaas.net
owner: peterson hoffman
email:
address: alnasryh
city: Amman
postal-code: 8520
country: JO
phone: +458.229751
admin-c: CNET-403666
tech-c: CNET-403666
billing-c: CNET-403666
nserver: ns1.al-taw7eed.com
nserver: ns2.al-taw7eed.com
status: lock
created: 2006-01-06 02:01:44 UTC
modified: 2007-12-02 04:09:46 UTC
expires: 2009-01-06 02:00:52 UTC

contact-hdl: CNET-403666
person: peterson hoffman
email:
address: 8005 South Chester Street
city: Centennial
state: CO
postal-code: 80112
country: US
phone: +303.6457039

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.014639
db-updated: 2008-02-29 09:52:36


Whois joker.com:

domain: joker.com
owner: n/a
organization: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670
admin-c: CCOM-58
tech-c: CCOM-53728
billing-c: CCOM-53728
reseller: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
reseller: Duesseldorf, Germany
reseller: Visit www.joker.com to get Domains
nserver: j.ns.joker.com 69.39.224.29
nserver: k.ns.joker.com 159.25.49.66
nserver: l.ns.joker.com 207.44.185.100
status: lock
created: 1994-11-27 00:00:00 UTC
modified: 2008-02-26 01:28:40 UTC
expires: 2012-08-03 15:02:10 UTC

contact-hdl: CCOM-58
person: n/a
organization: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670

contact-hdl: CCOM-53728
person: n/a
organization: CSL Computerservice Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
state: NRW
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.014119
db-updated: 2008-02-29 08:09:13

domain: al-ekhlaas.net
owner: peterson hoffman
email: [email protected]
address: alnasryh
city: Amman
postal-code: 8520
country: JO
phone: +458.229751
admin-c: CNET-403666 [email protected]
tech-c: CNET-403666 [email protected]
billing-c: CNET-403666 [email protected]
nserver: ns1.al-taw7eed.com
nserver: ns2.al-taw7eed.com
status: lock
created: 2006-01-06 02:01:44 UTC
modified: 2007-12-02 04:09:46 UTC
expires: 2009-01-06 02:00:52 UTC

contact-hdl: CNET-403666
person: peterson hoffman
email: [email protected]
address: 8005 South Chester Street
city: Centennial
state: CO
postal-code: 80112
country: US
phone: +303.6457039

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.027266
db-updated: 2008-03-20 07:49:38


NOW...
THE LINK TO THE NEW STORY:

news.yahoo.com...:/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_mi_ ea/bin_laden_israel;_ylt=AiOX1BMKuR05xXf08kICCBoUewgF

AND SOME INFO ON THE LOGOS SEEN IN THE VIDEO:

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

AM I MAKING THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS HERE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE INFO TO ADD OR SOME FEEDBACK? THANKS FOR LOOKING!

Originally posted by kaspermartyrphantom
I've posted this before, but found another piece of info that I'd like to run by everybody.

Here is my previous post:

Read This:
www2.tbo.com...

Now we know where this is coming from:
www.liveleak.com...

and this:
just look at the logo in the corner.
i80.photobucket.com...

This might be of some interest for the U.S., have a look at the following data:

www.al-ekhlaas.net... and www.al-ekhlaas.net...

This is As-Sahab, the propaganda site of Al Qaeda.

journalism.about.com...

Now lets have a look at some info:

Whois:

www.who.is...

Registry Whois

Domain Search:

Domain Name: al-ekhlaas.net

Status: clientDeleteProhibited, clientRenewProhibited, clientTransferProhibited, clientUpdateProhibited

Registrar: COMPUTER SERVICES LANGENBACH GMBH DBA JOKER.COM
Whois Server: whois.joker.com
Referral URL: www.joker.com...

Expiration Date: 2009-01-05
Creation Date: 2006-01-05
Last Update Date: 2007-12-01

Name Servers:
ns1.al-taw7eed.com
ns2.al-taw7eed.com


Whoisdomain: al-ekhlaas.net
owner: peterson hoffman
email:
address: alnasryh
city: Amman
postal-code: 8520
country: JO
phone: +458.229751
admin-c: CNET-403666
tech-c: CNET-403666
billing-c: CNET-403666
nserver: ns1.al-taw7eed.com
nserver: ns2.al-taw7eed.com
status: lock
created: 2006-01-06 02:01:44 UTC
modified: 2007-12-02 04:09:46 UTC
expires: 2009-01-06 02:00:52 UTC

contact-hdl: CNET-403666
person: peterson hoffman
email:
address: 8005 South Chester Street
city: Centennial
state: CO
postal-code: 80112
country: US
phone: +303.6457039

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.014639
db-updated: 2008-02-29 09:52:36


Whois joker.com:

domain: joker.com
owner: n/a
organization: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670
admin-c: CCOM-58
tech-c: CCOM-53728
billing-c: CCOM-53728
reseller: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
reseller: Duesseldorf, Germany
reseller: Visit www.joker.com to get Domains
nserver: j.ns.joker.com 69.39.224.29
nserver: k.ns.joker.com 159.25.49.66
nserver: l.ns.joker.com 207.44.185.100
status: lock
created: 1994-11-27 00:00:00 UTC
modified: 2008-02-26 01:28:40 UTC
expires: 2012-08-03 15:02:10 UTC

contact-hdl: CCOM-58
person: n/a
organization: CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670

contact-hdl: CCOM-53728
person: n/a
organization: CSL Computerservice Langenbach GmbH
email:
address: Hansaallee 191-193
city: Duesseldorf
state: NRW
postal-code: 40549
country: DE
phone: +49.211867670

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.014119
db-updated: 2008-02-29 08:09:13

domain: al-ekhlaas.net
owner: peterson hoffman
email: [email protected]
address: alnasryh
city: Amman
postal-code: 8520
country: JO
phone: +458.229751
admin-c: CNET-403666 [email protected]
tech-c: CNET-403666 [email protected]
billing-c: CNET-403666 [email protected]
nserver: ns1.al-taw7eed.com
nserver: ns2.al-taw7eed.com
status: lock
created: 2006-01-06 02:01:44 UTC
modified: 2007-12-02 04:09:46 UTC
expires: 2009-01-06 02:00:52 UTC

contact-hdl: CNET-403666
person: peterson hoffman
email: [email protected]
address: 8005 South Chester Street
city: Centennial
state: CO
postal-code: 80112
country: US
phone: +303.6457039

source: joker.com live whois service
query-time: 0.027266
db-updated: 2008-03-20 07:49:38


NOW...
THE LINK TO THE NEW STORY:

news.yahoo.com...:/ap/20080516/ap_on_re_mi_ ea/bin_laden_israel;_ylt=AiOX1BMKuR05xXf08kICCBoUewgF

AND SOME INFO ON THE LOGOS SEEN IN THE VIDEO:

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

AM I MAKING THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS HERE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE INFO TO ADD OR SOME FEEDBACK? THANKS FOR LOOKING!

This tell us what? That the CIA created all the terrorist organizations in Germany?