LOL i didn't mean to sound like that, just was quickly adding in a few points but yeah the world serpent thing, i'm not debunking it or whatever, just not my area - as u were

Originally posted by metatronscube
I'm thinking all these references to serpents has to do with the idea that dinosaurs maybe co-existed with man? Perhaps we killed them off with all the dragon slaying and such?

If not an ET explanation and not a spiritual explanation, than that would be the third probable explanation for it. But science wont even go as far as to admit that literate-man shared the earth with dinosaurs.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Which confirms my personal belief which is at odds with what most Ufologists believe: Spirituality / Altered States and UFOlogy are interlinked.

"Nuts and Bolts" Ufology is not enough to grasp the whole phenomenon.

You are absolute right about that; it is indeed far beyond only the "Nuts and Bolts" theory to grasp the whole phenomenon, no doubt in my mind about that.

Originally posted by KTK
And incase anyones wondering why it is im hung up on the bullroarer. Its the same noise/vibrations people report when in between states. If you get stuck in the between to long you get the noise/vibrations. Its reported by those who meditate, have NDEs OBEs, sleep paralysis etc.
Its a bit like crossing the road when its raining, the longer it takes to get to the otherside the more uncomfortable you become.

Ive heard the bullroarer sound and felt an odd sense of fast rotation on ocassions of sleep-paralysis and OBE. Thats spot on, imo.

Originally posted by KTK

Your information has floored me, my chin is bruised from the jaw drop. We have always been told that the Maori and Aboriginal cultures have no similarties or relationship at all.

"But we´ve always been told that..."

It never ceases to amaze me what we´ve been taught and told.

The serpents related in myth and religion are, I believe tales of a time of a great catastrophe that brought and end to the "Golden Age" another concept that permeates many myths.
So I believe the serpents are comets, the flowing hair of the goddess the beard of the god or the feathers of the serpent are descriptions of the comets fillamentary plasma tail.
They struck awe and fear into the ancient people. A reminder of a great catastrophe that we've all forgotten. One that spurred all myth and religion.

This thread is really interesting.
Aboriginal culture and history is just so amazing, and I am lucky enough to have grown up around a fair bit of it.
I remember hearing the 'rainbow serpent' story being told by an Aboriginal elder to my class and I when I was only very young (about 8 or 9 i think) in celebration of NAIDOC week. However, one of the reasons I believe it to be called the 'rainbow serpent' is because if you hold a diamond python or a carpet python out in the sun, you will notice the scales of the snake reflect a wonderful and beautiful rainbow colour. My diamond python looks absolutely stunning when you hold him up to the light!

Originally posted by chiplak

Purerehua

Also known as "Bull-roarer" and made of bone, wood or stone, they are blade-like and swing on a long cord producing a loud, deep whirring that can be heard from a distance. Uses vary from luring lizards, summoning rain and attracting a soul mate to several being played together at a Tangi (funeral).

Thankyou for that invaluable information

Lures lizards and attracts soul mates! If we can get past the semantics we may actually crack something in this thread. There are far too many relationships between the Indigenous cultures of the world for even the cynic in me to ignore. The question remains are the sullied waters intentional? And if so who is the culprit? Wouldnt mind skyfloatings initial thoughts on that one as you have been looking into this for a while.

Originally posted by chiplak
Cheers guys for the support so far, and Yes bro (KTK) our prime minister is a "she man"( i don't mean to disrespect the real she-men out there but she is.)

Aye, its almost as if her diet is entirely of testicles, most likely sheeps.

Seriously though your response to this made me ponder something I knew as fact amongst polynesian culture. Ever come across a big hulking Samoan lady man? I bet you have. Before the Mormons and Adventists got to them they were culturally accepting of this and would let them live as women folk with the rites and responsibilites of a woman. American Indian cultures did the same. Would be interesting to see if the same approach was taken in Maori and Aboriginal culture. The more similarities we find the biggest the case for a ahem "conspiracy". Tasty aint it....


I have many a question you could ask on my behalf.

Central to the Aboriginals belief system is thier kinship and totem regulations based on cycles. When you look past the semantics again you find they are describing reincarnation belief system based on cycles and the "new age"(hate that word)concept of soul groups. A great grandmother would call her great grandaughter"mother" and the great granddaughter would call her great grandmother"daughter". Read into that as you will.

Would the Maori have any equivalent there?


Also I have discovered why women dont participate in bullroaring rites of passage in Oz. The dreamtime story states that the men stole it off the women. But that the women didnt mind in the end cause they realised they didnt need the bullroarer to be initiated by the serpent as they could find it without the Bullroarer. Plus they were already sacred creators and didnt need the reminder.

What were some of the ancient Maori rites of passage? How did the sexes mix during these ceremonies? Are Maori women allowed near the Maori bullroarer?


What gender roles are the moon and sun assigned to in Maori culture? This one is very very important.


Im sure I will think of more, I hope thats not too much for you.


Choice ay bro........

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