It seems like there is no evidence. No PROOF for what is being done to these people.

I can't help but think everytime people try to keep to their own and not depend on society, they get massacred by the government.
Are they being made an example of?

So much for running off into the woods and becoming self-sufficient. THEY don't want that.

We are watching as the American government blatantly kidnaps and tortures children. Texas is being made an example of to the rest of the country. If this can happen in freedom loving Texas it can happen anywheres. There is significant opposition to this in Texas. This is not about one ranch or polygamy. This is the return of slavery to the United States.

It is strange how those who reject the worldly things become so rich: Amish, Mennonites, ect.
I did see these people in the stores as they live only a few hundred miles away. I saw what appeared to be a smiling mother who got her daughter back, driving down the freeway. It is sad to see such oppression.

Quite astounding.

If you listen to the MSM you get the impression these were devil worshippers and rapists. That last news report says they are questioning whether the initial 'call' from a 16 year old girl claiming to be pregnant and abused by 'adults' may have been a hoax.

I wonder what will happen with all the children they took from the ranch?

i question the source fox news is not the most reliable of sources. but here is how it works because i have seen it done in my area a guy gets one girl as his wife for tax reasons then takes another as a wife usually a long er woman or in some cases a teenager then another and anothereveryone he takes as a wife is after she gets pregnant by him. he usually gets a disabilty check .once children start being born they get another check and another and another they all live in same house he rules over everybody checks go into different po boxes but the women cash them and give him all the money. i know a guy who had 3 wives and 6 children who used to get 5000 dollars a month doing just that. am i the only one who rembers that they said that this compound was paid for by welfare checks

It wasn't all that long ago in the USA, that 12 year olds could get married. My grandmother married at 12 years of age. It's only been in the last fifty years or so, that the age has been raised to 18. I agree that children of that age are not equipped emotionally, physically or mentally for marriage, but for thousands of years it wasn't criminal and was in fact, quite normal.

As a Texan, I am embarrassed for my state.

Usually I am extremely proud to be a Texan . . . not this time

Originally posted by undo
It wasn't all that long ago in the USA, that 12 year olds could get married. My grandmother married at 12 years of age. It's only been in the last fifty years or so, that the age has been raised to 18. I agree that children of that age are not equipped emotionally, physically or mentally for marriage, but for thousands of years it wasn't criminal and was in fact, quite normal.

Your right, but your point about children not being prepared for marriage is an observation about todays children. In the times past when girls married young they were also raised in a much different family setting and much different environment.

My grandmother was raised in tough times. A small three room house on a farm in northern Kentucky. They never had much and went through the great depression. The fathers were the bread-winners and the mothers stayed at home to raise the children. If you were a girl, you went to school only if the family could afford to lose a member of the family that would usually stay behind and help the mother care for the home and the siblings.
When you were old enough, it may have been a blessing for the family for a young girl to marry off into another family by an older man, simply because it would relieve the burden of the girls parents. Of course they didn't just give the girl away to anyone. The man would have been respected and known not to be someone who would mistreat her, but love her.

I hope the victims of this crime commited by the state win the lawsuit.

Imo, Here's where the problem is:
From the Fox News Article,
"The renegade Mormon splinter group bought the property for $412 an acre in 2003 and rapidly turned it into a self-contained home for roughly 700 people, with rows of planted vegetables and other farming enterprises, a dairy that produces milk and cheese, and shops for cabinetmaking and other woodworking — all to supply the ranch, not to turn a profit on the outside."

Ooh, how "Renegade" of them to dare be independent, and off the Grid.

Uncle Sam gets to crack down on so-labeled "Sects" and "cult" groups all the while robbing them blind. A very effective Racket they got going.
SOS...

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ok just to set things clear a lil yes sience time began people married at extremly younge ages , then again back then you were lucky to live to be 40 considering the large span of life we have now compared to then it makes sience. plus as has been stated the children of those times were more mature they worked as apprentices or laborers at just as younge a age and also saw much more death and hardships then your modern western nation child. we coddle our kids hell now you cant even smack a kid for discipline with out being called a child abuser. children cant work cuzz thats cruel, you cant discipline them cuzz thats cruel, they are treated like lil gods in todays society and i dont agree or disagree with this realy its a confussing issue when taken account of all the variables.

now onto the topic at hand yes this is seeming more and more like a land and resources grab . did you guys see the sherifs assult vehicle they used it even had 2 kill marks painted on its side. just like the miliatary does to their tanks.

You people that support them are freaks this is unbeliveably cruel how that sect operates.

How can you put children through the type of brainwashing that occurs in that sect...those men at the top of the pyramid there will certainly be burning in hell.

Nothing angers me more than people being systematically controlled and deprived of any human rights and this is the worst of the worst when it is under the guise of your own family doing it.

you sickos and maggots f-you!

Originally posted by nitrobandit
You people that support them are freaks this is unbeliveably cruel how that sect operates.

How can you put children through the type of brainwashing that occurs in that sect...those men at the top of the pyramid there will certainly be burning in hell.

While I am not entirely familiar with the daily ongoings of their micro-culture, perhaps things were not happening there exactly as the mainstream media has portrayed them to you. Now, I agree that systemic brainwashing can be a bad thing, but there is a difference between being brainwashed and being raised in a different culture/lifestyle. The lines here are not so black and white in this specific case, these people had their own lifestyle, and who are the government to prevent that? This is a case of a larger culture abolishing a micro-culture that had developed within. Just because they thought differently does not make them all brainwashed. Perhaps their reality is the proper one and we have all been brainwashed to believe it isn't? You see the argument works both ways.

Originally posted by nitrobandit
Nothing angers me more than people being systematically controlled and deprived of any human rights and this is the worst of the worst when it is under the guise of your own family doing it.
you sickos and maggots f-you!

Double standards anyone? These people have been deprived of their rights and are being systematically controlled by the government that swooped down upon them and took away their family, their property, and their self-chosen culture. Along with being a resource grab (land, assets, lots of children for the elite pedo rings,) this ordeal was an attack against their personal freedoms. Unsubstantiated claims were used as a basis for the whole raid. Then the usual tactic of additional claims after the initial claims failed to hold up, for instance their 'finances' suddenly coming into question.

Yes, they very well could have been breaking some laws, and perhaps even abusing the welfare system (which in my opinion would have been a much better excuse to break up the party, as I absolutely despise working 40 hours a week while some slackers free-load.) But I don't know that that is true, or simply a false claim by the government/media. Truth is no one knows what happened in there except the people that lived inside.

Originally posted by nitrobandit
You people that support them are freaks this is unbeliveably cruel how that sect operates.

How can you put children through the type of brainwashing that occurs in that sect...those men at the top of the pyramid there will certainly be burning in hell.

Nothing angers me more than people being systematically controlled and deprived of any human rights and this is the worst of the worst when it is under the guise of your own family doing it.

you sickos and maggots f-you!

Wow sounds like the only person who is brainwashed is you. You are missing the big picture and its hard to see I agree through all of this Fog caused by the government and media. In a sense we are all systematically controlled we are taught what is the correct way to live and what is not correct. But who makes them rules? Im sure 200 years ago people would disagree with the way we live. Who is our government to tell us what is right and what is wrong besides the obvious of course. I dont think anyone here is saying that if a 30 year old man rapped a 10 year old girl they are sick and should be thrown in jail but so far this has not been proven in fact they havent even been charged. They are holding their kids under suspicion. That is not how America is supposed to work. Due process.