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They think that the 10 commandments and all it's underlying laws, are the highest law that ever was or every will be. Jesus showed a much greater and truer light then Moses.
The law of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul;
The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
The judgements of the LORD are true;
They are righteous altogether.
They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.
Moreover, by them Your servant is warned;
In keeping them there is great reward.
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
with the oil of joy above your fellows.
What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending his own Son... as a sin offering...
The word "lawlessness", (iniquity KJV) is used to try and communicate a
spiritual ideal to carnal man. A better definition for iniquity is wickedness.
...no doubt can remain that in Romans 13:9 Paul provides us with concrete examples of the law which love fulfils, showing thereby that there is no incompatibility between love as the controlling motive of the believer's life and conformity to the commandments which the law of God enunciates.
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not murder
You shall not steal
You shall not covet
and if there is any other commandment-all are summed up by this: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
The conclusion is inescapable that the precepts of the Decalogue have relevance to the believer as the criteria of that manner of life which love to God and our neighbour dictates... When Paul says that "love is the fulfilling of the law" (Romans 13:10) it is obvious that the commandments appealed to in the preceeding verse are examples of the law in view. But by the words "and any other commandment" he intimates that he has not enumerated all the commandments.
The distinction is, therefore, that 'the law' is the generic term and the commandments are the specific expressions. Hence, although the apostle John does not speak in terms of fulfilling the law, the emphasis placed upon the necessity of keeping and doing the commandments (1 John 2:3-4; 3:22&24; 5:2&3) is to the same effect. And when he writes that "whoever keeps his word, in him truly love for God is perfected (1John 2:5), he is pointing to what he elsewhere defines as that of which the love of God consists, namely, that "we keep his commandments". The sum is that the keeping of God's commandments is the practical expression of that love apart from which we know not God and our Christian profession is a lie (cf. 1 John 2:4; 4:8).
Originally posted by marg6043
As usual like any other thread that has to do with controversial issues in relation to the morality of humans and the bible this leaning into preaching.
That's I think anyone wants to do, but if you look at the thread title and the arguments for versus in the context of the arguments, it is, as would be expected.
While the bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality, it does condemn fornication,
Paul in “Romans 1" talks about un natural acts, but what Paul refers here are the worshiping of Idols ( man ) rather than God, this could be call “lust” this is when fornication comes into play.
Paul does not specify what that unnatural sexual conduct is, but it is something not natural for those that have made sex their God.
As the case of of pederasty that was widely practiced in those times.
Also historically heterosexual men were engaged into sexual acts against other heterosexual mens as a mean of humiliation after battle.
As we know sodomy were also used forcibly on women throughout history during rape.
Originally posted by scorand
sorry but nowhere does it state that marriage is male female only...except maybe newer books.. but that just means that what most support is false testimony...is it not??? is that not twisting the scripture? or even flat out changing it to suit? the bible was compiled to how they understood it at the time.. our understanding has grown, so i feel it should be from cover to cover investigated to figure out how to separate dogma from the word, and before i get called out for that statment.. let me state the church has done this on many occasions. and changed what was written according to what they thought was right..
If the Law is perfect why was anything new needed? Because we couldn't keep it. Not until the Spirit came in power into the lives of Christians following the resurrection of Christ!
I'm sorry that is just to funny. Let us stick to our own knowledge of God's words, and not resort to argument by authority.
I offer this quote from a substantial interdenominational work:
It is false to claim this was not an important issue to Christ. He taught that repentance from all such things were a prerequisite to entering the kingdom of God.
...and if the blind guide the blind, both will fall into a pit."