California Supreme Court strikes down the state's ban on same-sex marriage as unconstitutional., page 2


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reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 01:49 PM by caballero
Originally posted by WhatTheory
Originally posted by caballero
well then we need to redefine marrage to say it is about two people in love.

Well isn't that convienent. Why don't we change the definition of 'dog' to also mean wolves and hyenas.

whether they are two men or two woman or a woman and a man shouldnt matter and its disgusting that for some people it does matter.

Then is it ok for a father to marry his daughter or brother and sister to marry. What about humans and animals?
Is that disgusting to you?


your making arguments that make no sense. most people would not fall in love with their daughters so the majority who would not fall in love with their children look at the minority who would and say no that isnt acceptable, that how it is now the majority wanted gay marrage you are the minority according to most of california youre wrong. the majority decides not the minority.

and any specific dog breed is defined by scientific names we could call wolves dogs but their scientific names couldnt be changed the scientific names organizes classifacations within the species like wolves are bigger than dogs, wolves have grey hair yellow eyes dogs dont (not really couldnt think of an example im not a wolf expert im sorry). scientific names formed from evidence. there is no evidence showing men and women love each other more than men and men so marrage is something that can be changed when the opinions of the era change right now the era wants gay marrage, if you dont go back to the 50's.

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reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 01:58 PM by projectvxn
reply to post by WhatTheory



Comparing gay marriage to beastiality and incest is completely illogical. There are sound reasons why intercourse and marriage with your immediate family is not good, not the least of which are the medical reasons. I don't think I need to get into the issue of intercourse with an animal to prove my point to you. Gay sex is not interspecies sex so this comparison is flawed inherently let alone if I actually bothered to go deeper into the issue.

And yes, you did say some pretty hateful things. You may not see them as this, but you're not on the receiving end.



reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 02:16 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by WhatTheory



Like all species, we are born to multiply and two men cannot.




So with that logic, all those men and woman who are UNABLE to have children should not be allowed to be married?

Seriously, WHO CARES? It is not hurting anyone. Im straight as an arrow, but does me being straight and loving MEN affect anyone else??? No. So, how can a man loving a man and being married to him affect anyone else?


reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 02:19 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by WhatTheory



Hate? I did not say anything hateful. I don't hate gay people, I only believe they should not get married.


How come you are not protesting all those straight people who get married that CLEARLY should not be married?

Your stance makes no sense. They can live together and love each other, but they cant sign a contract and have a spiritual ceremony? makes no sense.

And to compare gays marrying to a man having sex with children or animals is sick.

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reply posted on 15-5-2008 @ 02:26 PM by AceWombat04
Personally, I am in favor of gay rights (which I regard merely as a late coming extension of human rights and citizens' rights,) and so I am gladdened by this news!

However, while I disagree with those who hold them, I do respect the views of those who oppose such measures, because they believe they are doing and believing what is right (and for all I know, perhaps they are.) Even if I disagree with them, provided they are going about it in a respectful and compassionate manner, then that's the best any of us can do. There's always the possibility that I'm wrong, after all.

That said, and with respect to those who disagree with me, I'd like to add my opinion that even if one were to accept the premise that homosexuality were an unnatural aberration within nature (which I do not believe personally,) marriage between two same-gendered persons isn't going to increase the number of homosexual people on the planet, and that a ban on homosexual marriage isn't going to decrease the number. If someone has been born gay, then even if you believe that homosexuality is a "defect" (which I do not,) why not allow them to be as happy as possible in accordance with their nature?

There have been some attempts at comparing homosexuality to incest and even beastiality. Here is my opinion on that:

Incest, especially multigenerational, sibling to sibling, or parent-child incest, is very different in my opinion, because of the existing evidence for genetic disease and damage that can result if offspring are born. Incest with children doesn't even need to be addressed in my opinion, because we're talking about sex with a child to start with. Beastiality, by contrast, is a fetish, and not a sexual orientation. Furthermore, as others have pointed out, an animal has no means of letting a human being know if what they're doing to (or with) it hurts or not, and cannot grant consent.

Comparing any of the above to homosexuality is a misnomer in my opinion, as homosexuality among healthy, rational human beings is consentual and is no more damaging to society or to anyone than consentual heterosexuality among healthy, rational human beings, and is not a fetish but rather a sexual orientation.

Gay people are human beings who just happen to be born into a very different romantic and sexual experience than I was. They grow up, hit puberty, and start discovering their sexuality (if they're lucky enough to be born somewhere that allows that to occur without interference) just like everyone else. They flirt, they go on dates, and they get butterflies in their stomach and cold feet just like everyone else. They go to school, work, live, fall in love, laugh, and cry just like everyone else. The only difference happens to be the gender of who they develop sexual or romantic feelings for.

Now, as I said, this is only my opinion, and I respect the views of those who disagree. I would ask though (ask, not demand or compel,) that they voice those views with compassion, respect, and without judgment, because any of us have the capacity to be wrong or incorrect in our assessment of reality.

Edited for clarification.

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