I just had a weird foreboding about McCain...

reply to post by vor78

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Ahhh, thx for clearing that up. My bad.

I'll go back and edit it so nobody else reads that and then responds without reading the rest (like some ATSers are known to do).

[edit on 5/15/2008 by bigbert81]

reply to post by FlyersFan

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Ok, I must've missed your post on this.

If you're being serious, sad. I thought you'd be brighter than to believe that utter nonsense about prophecy crap.

And funny video. What I don't get though, is they still have the 2 party lines, PLUS Ralph Nader supporters, which kind of contradicts the point of the film.

$.09 per gallon, no wars, restored civil liberties, the cure for cancer. All sounds pretty good.

Oh, and while I'm here, I would LOVE to hear you concede the point of legality and the war. Your admissions to being wrong....sustain me. *puts each and every fingertip to mouth and sucks clean*




[edit on 5/15/2008 by bigbert81]

NO! I fully expect we will all be stuck here in 2013.
Well .. unless we die off individually that is.


I thought it was a hoot.


Naaaaaaaaah. It was legal. STUPID perhaps. Definately executed in a dreadful manner (Even McCain agrees with that). But legal.


oh man .. I'm NOT going to go there .. I'm NOT going to go there!

reply to post by FlyersFan

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Yeah, I meant 'lick fingers clean', but I couldn't think of those 3 words for some reason. I hope you know what I meant though.

Oh, and did you read the article excerpts? It is illegal.

[edit on 5/15/2008 by bigbert81]

thank you FlyersFan for posting that. Don't some of you realize that the physical appearance is irrelevant to anything important?
start looking for who is right for the job and who is actually going to do something to save our freedoms.

[edit on 15-5-2008 by Äŧґαΐł]

reply to post by marg6043

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Obama worked with lobbyists to pass $12 million in breaks? Is this an error? You must mean $12 billion or $12 trillion right? Please check your source again.

mcain is like 100 years old.
he will be lucky if he lives long enough to see the next president.

I can't believe none of you brought his FACT into the discussion:

ALL THREE - Obama, Clinton, AND McCain are members of The Council on Foreign Relations. (and Hillary is a Bilderberger). Obama's foreign policy advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski, Rockefeller's Nazi/cronie in The Trilateral Commission. Obama = "Change"? Yeah, right. Fresh face, same puppet masters.

Just like the 2004 election where BOTH Bush and Kerry are members of Skull & Bones - no matter who we chose, THEY still win.

Same thing here in 2008....

WRITE IN Ron Paul! The problem is, due to the media manipulation, the average (clueless)voter doesn't even realize they CAN write in Dr. Paul(or whomever).

A) the Federal reserve is not a bank but a private corporation made of banks that are voting members. This private corporation decides your fate each time they manipulate interest rates and money supply.

B) Bush may be shrewd politician, and not so bright president, but McCain is just plain angry at the world. He has a Temper and most people close to him not working in his cabinet dont truly trust him to be President. He will garner support for no other reason than he is nominee and politicians will kiss his butt to serve at the white house. This is a default position should be viewed with great suspicion

C) Voting for anyone because of what they underwent in a war, or not, is incredibly dangerous. The President should be someone that has experience and temperament to manage the nation, not withstand torture or avoid the draft.


Vote for the best person to sit in the Oval Office, not romantic war heroes...warriors are never the best president.

Sometimes warriors ARE the best. For two reasons -

1 - they understand that sometimes America needs to take military action in order to defend itself from VERY REAL enemies.

2 - most importantly - they have seen the horrors of war UP CLOSE and they know the pain and damage it can cause. Someone like McCain, who suffered from war, would be more likely to try to avoid it if at all possible.

I do agree with you on the temper part.
He has a reputation for having a very troubled temper.

reply to post by whiteraven

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Any President could call ALL troops home at will. So, we CAN get out. But, it won't happen. It's going to be a mind boggling, long, drawn-out war. I don't see this ever dying down as long as we have troops on Iraqi soil - as long as their are religious differences in the Muslim world. Sure, a President could bring our troops home and America would be fine. But, that leaves the people of Iraq in a tough spot. I don't necessarily agree with pulling all troops, but I don't see a clear means for "Victory" either. There's going to have to be some give and take to establish peace in that region. And it's going to involve the U.S. coming to terms with the fact that there is no "Win" in Iraq. The best we're going to be able to do is a stale mate that results in some sort of agreement to keep a moderate amount of troops in Iraq while quelling the religious difference that seems to torment the country ... the same differences that affect the entire Middle East. It's going to be a LONG time.

reply to post by whiteraven

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I was going to edit my post to correct that just after I posted it, but decided not to. If I were McCain, a former POW, and in the running to become the Commander in Chief, I'd probably say that I thought we could win as well. But, I highly doubt he even has an idea of what Victory would be. He's only trying to show an essence of patriotism for his image as a candidate. I think McCain is much more realistic than some of his town hall ramblings may make him seem. But, that doesn't mean that I would support another "War President" in office. I just can't afford it. And neither can the rest of the working nation.

Maybe Ron Paul wouldn't be the best choice for the turmoil taking place in the Middle East, but he's certain the BEST choice for America in terms of the best interests of America. McCain, Obama and Clinton are the best choices for Domestic and International Special Interests.

You have to take a look at the whole view. Who really has the your best interests in mind. This isn't a conclusion you can come to when you judge a book by it's cover (or it's MSM). You have to be familiar with each candidates stance on all issues, foreign and domestic. While I don't agree with everything Paul thinks about the situation in Iraq, he's be hard fought to reverse some of the efforts that are going to be required in that region. And I doubt he could get everything that he would like to done domestically, but it's a turning point.

I'd rather pull over and figure out what wrong with the engine, rather than ignore it just to get to the bank. At least at the end of the day I'll still have a car.

reply to post by screamo

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en.wikipedia.org...

There are just a few reasons McCain would make a terrible President. Those are facts that the wikipedia democracy has prevented McCain's campaign from 'sanitizing'...

Plus Who wants a known Drug Addict and Thief as First Lady?


en.wikipedia.org...

Or is she the Second lady, since he divorced his first wife because she didn't look like a model anymore... so he replaced her with a newer model...




en.wikipedia.org...

No it's not. (we could so this forever)


I can't believe it ... I actually gave an anonymous poster a star!
O Anonymous One ... I say it all over the boars - Obama, Clinton and McCain = CFR. No change. No hope. No Unity. FROM ANY OF THEM.

I think you're wrong to brand a republican with that just for the sake of him being a republican.
You're being very rash.

So what if he's favoured? He needs to be cause they are as likely wanting someone to bail out the country from the mess it's in and put right whats been done wrong.

When will some people just chill out and stop fretting themselves at something that is republican or right wing?
Yeah ok the NWO or shadow brokers etc are pulling strings and providing the tunes but they'd be doing the same stuff if it was leftist or rightist leader. They do there thing and we can just watch and wait.
If big bad things descend then we can take action.
Until then we are pretty much playing the waiting and seeing whats next

I think the Bush bogeyman has got too many folk jumping at their own shadows. Yes Bush made some errors, had bad advice and possibly has a dodgy agenda as to the ME wars.

Bush is a different kettle of fish to McCain.
When I see McCain on the campaign trail I don't see someone who will take sht and be cowed by his people pushing an agenda. I also reckon he's as straight up as you can get in politics.

Jeez, can you imagine sitting in front of the guy in the whitehouse and saying 'Right Mr President, this is what you're gonna say today!' He might be in his 70s but I think he'd tell you to back off!
Alright you might argue he'd be putting himself at risk from within but for someone who's gone through hell in Vietnam he won't be fearful of that.

[edit on 16-5-2008 by WatchRider]

Wow, even when PROVED wrong, you still argue.

Why am I not surprised?

Drop the ego, and concede the point. You have clearly lost.

[edit on 5/16/2008 by bigbert81]

This is so true. The three that are running are all on the same team. We should already know this by what happen when the dems won the house and Pelosi became speaker. What changed nothing and nothing is going to change for the middle class beside our decline into the lower class. Wake Up!!!!

reply to post by reject

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If anyone in America thinks their vote counts, they are sadly mistaken. These presidents are hand picked by courtesy of your Illuminati, NWO and Black Pope it is a fraud voting system, they manipulate the votes for who they have already chosen. You should be able to figure this one out on your own w/FL in 2004 Bush lost, but there he is still in office. It has been a political distraction game for us dumbing down Americans stupid enough to play along w/their Democrat/Republican game so behind the scenes they are manipulating every possible law and hoarding all our tax money. Collecting income tax is unconstitutional. Don't believe me, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!

reply to post by LDragonFire

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I agree with everything you wrote. I don't feel bad about agreeing because McCain has no issues with perpetual war and death so he can take some jabs.

I read that he broke his arms ejecting from his plane because he didn't cross them. Panic can do that to anyone. I also read that his father was a top military guy and that because of this the Vietnamese kept McCain in "really good shape."

My take on this is that McCain was held for almost the entirety of the war. He was captured in 1968 and released in 1973. According to common knowledge there were pows there into the 80s and even now possibly. Rambo 2 was about going after the pows that were still being held.

IMO most of what you hear about McCain is fabricated and all that happened was a cleverly orchestrated ploy to keep an elite out of combat yet keep his honor as a son of top brass.

I've heard all the mumbo jumbo about what the msm says happened to him so everyone can save it. McCain's dad and grandfather were both admirals and dodging the draft or getting deferments for McCain would not have sufficed for a future in politics and they couldn't risk him actually being killed.