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posted on May, 16 2008 @ 04:34 PM
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Could the burns be caused by microwaves?

Maybe this could explain some of the apparent radiation sickness described.

I am just guessing, I like the way some people are thinking here.

Also, has anyone heard of ultra pure silver being used as a propellant, or possibly a byproduct of a chemical or magnetic reaction?

The only thing I can think of is the Hutchison Effect.




posted on May, 16 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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I wil keep this short as I don't think the continous backward and forward posts on this are productive.

ITF I worry about you, now I know you are going to think I am being insincere but I can assure you that is not the case.

You have got to cut the umbilical cord that seems to attach you to this subject just once in awhile or your health will suffer.

You may not think it but I know what you are saying I just do not believe it is worth attaching so much emotion to it.

I'm done.



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Tesla seemed to work with many ac devices of low current.
Building up charge outside of the craft would cause a spark to set
the glove or clothes on fire.


Excellent I had not considered an electrical charge causing the burns that is a good point in your favour.

No pardon is necessary there is very little that is proven in this case so speculation is the name of the game



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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I don't know why you are so angry. You need to remember that there are a ton
of new members here, and not all of us are aware of every single UFO case. Not
all of us are idiots. I enjoy reading and exploring cases like these. It doesn't mean that I draw ANY conclusion. I'm sure that goes for a lot of other members out there.

It's the negative posts, like yours, that are beginning to turn me off to ATS. I understand that this topic is serious and needs more credibility, but being mean
to people will not solve that. The world is nasty enough and we don't need a forum bully to add to it.

I am sorry that this is off topic.



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 08:09 PM
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More like pressurized waste gas from the fusion chamber of the craft. It smelled metallic and sulfuric. Hot enough to burn, toxic but not radioactive.

Hydrogen-sufide smells sulfuric and space itself has a metallic smell as some astronauts have reported. A result of certain ionized gases.



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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Hiyah all,

Wow that was an intense 2 pages of posts .... first of all, I love when these old cases are brought up, especially when I haven't read about them before, like this one. To disregard it out of hand because it's "old" or "dead" is very narrow-minded IMO.

To say they are "dead, " well you might have a point there if you're just talking along the lines of "Can we contact the witnesses and validate etc". But would you say that about all of history as well and not just old alleged UFO stories?

Who cares if people are in it for the points anyway? If I see a thread that interests me, I read it. I could care less if someone just posted it to get enough points to get an avatar or more u2u messages etc.

The point of this entire site is to post information for people to read. Read what you will, disregard what doesn't interest you. Believe or don't believe what you will on here.

I myself find it very hard to believe this guy just out prospecting for quartz would sit there and plan out some intricate hoax which included burning himself in an obviously painful way just to fake a UFO contact, that's ludicrous.

So yes, I think this case holds merit, if you don't, why are you still here? Move along to a new case that you deem worthy of your time.

GUNS obviously did some research here and organized a great story for those of us interested in the subject to read, I find it worthy of MY attention...and I am here reading the thread to see if anyone else comes up with more information about it. I don't have a sense of self-importance like a few on here, I consider myself an amateur with an interest in the subject, a HOBBY if the truth be told and it's one that gives me much pleasure and simple enjoyment so scoff if you will but I really like this story, thank you very much!

Hey Guns, I meant to ask you too, where did you find that picture from Nashville and do you have any other information about that specific picture? Thanks in advance...oh and Guns...if you're just opening threads for points? I hope you make a lot of points for this one



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 08:37 PM
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Sorry OP,I know this is off topic but I gota ask Tesla this:Where did you get information that Roswell was NAZIs?I always believed it was ET's,still do,but interesting approach to it none the less.

I would appreciate it if you would provide me a link via u2u,thanks.



posted on May, 16 2008 @ 11:14 PM
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YAWN...


Schoolgirl emotions aside;

(This is NOT a UFOLOGY CLUB vs. SKEPTICS thread)

My feelings about this case:

People will go to some extreme lengths for their 15 minutes of fame.

Plus, once again, logic will prevail.

The most obvious factor is the shirt with the handy lighter burn on it, and the police report stating that the guy wouldn't even let people check him out or look at the areas he said he had been injured. Outdoors in the woods all alone of course. This reeks of premonition.

Pseudo burns (FLAME BURNS NON THE LESS) on the shirt would NOT come from a microwave source- if they had his internal organs would've boiled at the wattage necessary to burn a cotton shirt (which it obviously is- polyesters would've melted). If they WERE flame burns on his chest, what explains the lack of protrusion to the skin through the shirt? Those are light toasty burns- no where near enough to really get you a good 2nd degree burn which is what the burns in the picture look like on him to me.

This guy burnt himself, created the burns on the shirt, hat and glove and fabricated this whole story. Look at the shirt- it's obviously been laid over something with holes in it and lightly torched to create the grid pattern- he would've had to have been pressed TIGHT up against the 'vent' for such a detailed pattern- with bonus border (edge of metal plate or whatever had the holes in it)

Why would his hat catch on fire from an 'exhaust blast' but still have every hair on his face and head and no facial burns?

Get over the fanciful story and lure of mystique by another shame artist intent on getting his mug in the paper.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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One more thought on the possibility of electrical discharge creating the burns on Mr. Michalak's chest/stomach and his shirt-

All electrical discharges arc- badly if the voltage is high enough. Most especially if you are grounded and provide a nice low resistance path to earth. Ever used a plasma torch? Welded? Been hit by lightning?
This guy would be TOAST if anything stronger than a 110v home circuit was used to plug in his imaginary ufo. The charge would NOT be attracted to his shirt- it would be attracted to his flesh- of which there is an obvious distance between his flesh and said 'vent', that the resulting arc would've burnt massive holes in his shirt and skin, charring his shirt MUCH worse than what you see in the picture. If anything, the shirt could've acted as a mild insulator.

HIS story paints the picture of an 'exhaust' blowing something hot- either flame or a plasma ray or laser or whatever- but his evidence shows nothing near the damage that would've been done had the discharge been electrical.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 12:58 AM
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*SIGH* Couldn't help myself...


Pressurized Gas~

First off- detail: I'm unaware of any gas that will come out in such a perfect stream that it would toast his shirt and burn his skin with such precision. There was no mention of any liquid ejection or residual particles other than scent. If the gas WAS in such a fine stream and he wasn't pressed firmly against the vent, then the necessary pressure to great such a stream at any distance past the immediate exit of the vent (once the gas hits the turbulence of our atmosphere) would be so high that his mere flesh would be no contestant to the power of the ejection and it would literally go right through him- dead on the spot.

Physics apply EVERYWHERE.

I want the truth as much as anyone but I have to look at all the angles. This case is WAY past my 80% rule. No one IMHO should bother with it anymore- there are so many more fascinating cases out there to look into- no offense to the original OP at all- I think people need to see these cases, but this one REALLY needs to get archived and tossed on the humor section.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 10:16 AM
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Wow I'm from the area where this happened (Winnipeg skyline in my avatar) and I've never heard of this story. Great find!
Man, I rarely here of sightings here but I guess they still happen. Interesting.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
Could the burns be caused by microwaves?

Maybe this could explain some of the apparent radiation sickness described.

I am just guessing, I like the way some people are thinking here.

Also, has anyone heard of ultra pure silver being used as a propellant, or possibly a byproduct of a chemical or magnetic reaction?

The only thing I can think of is the Hutchison Effect.


I'm sticking with the ac static solution for propulsion so far.
As long as Tesla showed it can be generated, the controlling part
is all that is needed.
Consider the Letterman show with science kids with pie tins on top
of a van de Graaff static generator, the stack of tins flew off.
Could it really work, I don't know.
There are no demos by Tesla other than pinwheel movement.

If captured current in wires can make motors spin around then
some sort of air current, ac static wise, might prove useful.
Tesla wrote an analysis of the van de Graaff on the efficiency
only to boast on how great his coils would do.

The problem was that Tesla was the major coil man and no one
did it better. The coil is superior in high voltage low current work.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 03:12 PM
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Thanks for your reply!

So if its electrical burns that would explain the stench he had for weeks...

What is your take on the dug up silver they found?

Is this something that could be a byproduct of such a propulsion?

I was leaning toward planted evidence, but I will keep an open mind.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
reply to post by TeslaandLyne
 


Thanks for your reply!

So if its electrical burns that would explain the stench he had for weeks...

What is your take on the dug up silver they found?

Is this something that could be a byproduct of such a propulsion?

I was leaning toward planted evidence, but I will keep an open mind.


Yes, silver can be use for propulsion.

Silver connections or solder for the big coil.. coil like a wound throw rug.
Ever see plumbers put in a copper water line main... I thought what
if that was on the bottom of all these saucer or triangles.
Imagine the power... yet it upwards to million volts, no current, just
to stretch the molecules of air apart.

I have had the requirement for silver solder in a model build.
Nothing big time. Which thanks for calling that out, I feel better
about my silver mining stock. One stock board posted says he
does not buy mining stock, he buys the actual gold. Gee, just
a oz gets you $900 not bad.

Even hear of the two incidences of molten aluminum dripping off
of a UFO. I figure the bottom of the UFO has an aluminum plate
above the coil. The coil should be external to the floor and the craft
to agitate the air. A solid hemisphere is at the top of the UFO to
beam off electrons.


MP3 of Lyne mentions the beam.

So if the static gets out of hand, silver and aluminum might drip off,
but I say its coming off all the time as the triangles fly by giving
off chemtrails of their own. Perhaps why planes join in as a cover.


Never caught on to that silver solder deal. It is so true.
I heard of a saucer landing and repairs were being made.
Checking out how far they will last with their deteriorating saucer.
I did see that episode and thought here we go again with these
UFO scene investigations. Little did I suspect it meant something.

Lyne mentioned pouring silver into a mold of a coil by the Germans
but I thought that might be a stretch.



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by dhardeman
Pseudo burns (FLAME BURNS NON THE LESS) on the shirt would NOT come from a microwave source- if they had his internal organs would've boiled at the wattage necessary to burn a cotton shirt (which it obviously is- polyesters would've melted). If they WERE flame burns on his chest, what explains the lack of protrusion to the skin through the shirt? Those are light toasty burns- no where near enough to really get you a good 2nd degree burn which is what the burns in the picture look like on him to me.


You make a lot of valid points. This part however I think needs a bit of further explanation. If you are assuming microwaves set to the frequency of water, as is found in a modern kitchen microwave appliance, than indeed your paragraph description is accurate.

However microwaves can be tuned to heat things other than water, and the 'wattage' required to burn through any substance is necessarily determined by which component of the substance is being heated.

The water method, like in our kitchen microwave units, vibrates the water within the food, and food heats up as a result of this internal friction. If you tuned your microwave at a different frequency though, you could theoretically heat your food using a different component (not water). I hope that makes sense.

For an example, in certain strains of algae there is a high lipid content (oils), you can tune a microwave emmitter to the lipid as opposed to the water, and use the microwave bombardment of the algae to seperate the oils.

So really, it all depends on the attunement of the microwave frequency, as to what will burn and what wont. If the microwaves are tuned to heat up a component not found in humans, he wouldn't have heated up at all. His body wouldn't even have known there was a microwave blast in reality. But his shirt might still have been heated, and the burns in that material might well have burned the surface of his chest.

This of course is just a theory, but I think it's important to be able to determine what is and is not possible. And since you're taking such a close look at the individual aspects of this case (THANKS!
) I just thought I'd join in.

You may well be right about the gas theory, regarding the accuracy of the streams. I have seen many examples where a gas will remain in a stream though (spiraling in a vortex form) after passing through some sort of tube (like a thruster or directional vent). I've mostly observed this on larger scales, like contrails from Airplanes (that don't immediately dissapate, they keep their stream 'line' for some time) or on the exhaust pipes from Mack Trucks, where the stream eventually dissapates, but there is a clear exit in stream form, and the vortex dispersion pattern is observed.

Also, observing a cigarette smoker, you will see that a fine stream (in vortex form) can easily be produced simply by adjusting pressure (the diaphram against the lungs) and aiming the gas through a directional vent (your throat and mouth).

The same would hold true for a docking port, adjusting pressure to force air (or any gas) through a ventilation tube. Don't get me wrong here, I wasn't postulating that he was burned by the ships engines on takeoff, I was speculating that he was burned by an exhaust vent when the hatch was closed.


Originally posted by dhardeman
...- he would've had to have been pressed TIGHT up against the 'vent' for such a detailed pattern- with bonus border (edge of metal plate or whatever had the holes in it)


he was reported to have been directly next to the craft's hatchway when the gridlike door closed, and the burns immediately followed.

But you raise a good point here. I went back and took a look at the shirt again, and it does appear that there is some sort of outer frame around the grid pattern. That does strike me as odd.


Originally posted by dhardeman
Why would his hat catch on fire from an 'exhaust blast' but still have every hair on his face and head and no facial burns?


This could be explained by the microwave frequency possibility, but you're right, it's an interesting discrepancy.


Originally posted by dhardeman
Get over the fanciful story and lure of mystique by another shame artist intent on getting his mug in the paper.


Here I'm not so sure. It's a long way from Winipeg to Falcon Beach. And from the Satellite Imagery:
maps.google.com...,+MB,+Canada&ie=UTF8&ll=49.698949,-95.354805&spn=0.101926,0.344696&t=h&z=12

it doesn't really look like there is much there even today. In the 60's I'm not sure there would have been much of a town around there at all.

It just seems to me that stranding oneself at over 100 kilometers away from your home without any survival equipment or transportation and not even wearing a shirt for a Hoax doesn't really make much sense.

The police report states he was found about a half a mile west of Falcon Beach, and that he was on his way (walking without his shirt on) towards Falcon Beach looking for medical assistance.

Apparrently he was then taken to the hospital, where the photo of the chest burns was taken. This photo, and the apparrent examination at the hospital, would tend to discount the one disparaging remark made by the Police Officer in his report (that he thought the 'burns' on the victim's chest were some sort of ashes rubbed on the chest, a contention he admits to forming as a result of the victim not allowing him close enough for a thorough inspection). Apparrently he was eventually thoroughly inspected at a hospital, and the burns were identified as such.

GunsInWar, I don't suppose you've been able to locate anything on the Hospital's record of the man's injuries?

That might go a long way in answering many of the questions of this case.

-WFA



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar

Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
To the guy who said that this could be super heated air that burned him....


I think that was me



Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
This wouldn't explain his lingering after effects, nausea, apparent radiation sickness without any radiation present, and the smell of burning electricity around him that lingered for weeks.
I really don't think hot air would do all that, but I could easily be wrong.


I totally agree with you. In fact, I'm certain that superheated air wouldn't cause those effects. And I'm in agreement that some other factors must have been in play. I only found the superheated air theory consistent with the burns themselves, and the pattern, as it correlated to the victim's account.

There must have been other factors involved in whatever happened to him, and there must have been a quantity of irradiated material close to him for certain, to produce the observed results.

I've got nothing on the smell. Anyone have any ideas about that? I know that overcooked meat can smell like that, does anyone have any data they'd like to share? I'm at a dead end it seems on that aspect...

-WFA


The Answers are Evident with Fusion Science

The answers you seek is with fusion science. If you look in the area of fusion you will find many answers.

1.The fusion process expels super heated ionized gas waste byproduct.

2.The metallic smell can come from ionized gas. The same kind of smell has been reported by astronauts as "space smell".

3. The sulfuric smell is possibly from sulfur or hydrogen-sulfide. Hydrogen-sulfide is toxic and I would not be surprised if Stephen Michalak's symptoms match that of hydrogen-sulfide poisoning.

4. Stephen wrote a book about his experience and he described additional information such as beams of lasers on the inside, and a violet-purple light emanating from the outside & inside.

You will find Stephen's observations consistent with plasma fusion or laser plasma fusion. Plasmas can emit X-rays and UV which look like violet-purple glow to the casual observer. It can also cover the whole EM spectrum and look as bright as the sun. Its energy will cause electronic interference in devices nearby.

5. The large vessel at the center of the craft is likely a fusion chamber. This explains the intensity of the bright light and other visible emanations.

6. No permanent radioactivity should be present with fusion power. Although there is some radioactivity, it quickly dissipates. This can explain Stephen's radiation sickness.

7. You can find Hydrogen and sulfur in sea water, yes, I stated sea water.


I believe what Stephen witnessed that fateful day was proof that fusion power can be harnessed.


Edit: Magnetic anomalies should also be present. ie: bad compass.

[edit on 17-5-2008 by nikolat23]



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 09:52 AM
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um read the police report. it seems pretty obvious to me that he was just intoxicated on some kind of drug, probably hallucinogenic like '___'. actually especially considering it was 1967, probably '___'.



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 11:05 AM
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Here's another item in the pot that doesn't smell right-

OK- so it is under the assumption due to the guys story that he was 'very close' or 'right next to' to the craft as this vent ejected SOMETHING.

So- let's look at the angle of attack here:

He is a vertically standing human- as we all are, with very uniform wounds in a perfect grid pattern on his chest and shirt- lining up vertically with his body.

If the drawn diagram of the craft is actually from him, then he would have had to have been bent almost completely backwards (like almost in a crab walk) in order for the angles to match up. PLUS- he would've had to have been VERY close or pressed up against it to get the detail shown in the wounds and shirt damage.

Look at the drawing, then look at his wounds/shirt- NO WAY they could've lined up unless he was DIRECTLY in front of the vent with his body aligned parallel to the vent- this means he was either doing the crab walk under a UFO in the woods, or he's just full of BS like I mentioned earlier.

I WANT TO BELIEVE TOO! BUT DON'T BELIEVE THIS GUY!!!

For just a second think like an actual investigator minus the emotional attachment to the UFO issue, and you will see all that I have seen. Just because you are honest and sane doesn't mean everyone else is..



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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I thought it was interesting that he called out in Russian, German, Italian, French, Ukrainian, and English. That's pretty cool for a machanic. I bet that stops some of those "he's just a machanic" stereotypes of them being stupid.



posted on May, 18 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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The officer specifically stated in the police report that the victim did not smell of alchohol, however no mention of ingested psychotropic substances is mentioned.

A disheveled appearance can come from a lot of things, in fact the sort of hike he was on even without drugs or a UFO encounter would have been quite strenuous.

This is yet another aspect of this case that could be answered with the Hospital's record of examination of the victim.

If that photo surfaced from the hospital, I've got a feeling that a toxology report would also be forthcoming, if indeed there were drugs in his system when tested.

Regardless, I don't think it's proper to assume such things without finding out what the evidence is first. I'm really busy in other threads and with outside life at the moment. Does anyone have the time necessary to search out the medical report?

It looks from Google like this could be the Hospital in question:
Lake Of The Woods District Hospital
21 Sylvan St. S, Kenora, ON P9N 3W7, Canada

Here is a link to the area with the Hospital positioned against Falcon Beach:
maps.google.com...,&near=Falcon+Beach,+MB,+Canada&fb=1&ll=49.681847,-95.331116&spn=1.240443,2.57 0801&z=9

If someone wants to take the initiative, they could call the hospital and ask if there are records available for the victim.

If not, perhaps I'll get a chance to do it myself this coming week.

-WFA





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