Together We Can Put an End to Religious/Ideological Bigotry at ATS!, page 4

reply to post by Osiris1953

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A good post to which I'm for reconciliation- but these websites thrive on the tension between religions and idealogies and to attempt a reconciliation of the driving force in American, nay World, conversation is itself an attempt to destroy. So I'm gonna add Politics to the mix- I'll bet your an Obamite waiting to take on Methuselah McCain in November.

reply to post by qxlb52

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Some tension is fine, but when it leads to mud slinging it is wholly inappropriate.
As for my political beliefs, I'm not going to discuss them in this thread unless entirely necessary. This is about us as an online community, and yes I assert my views concerning the conflict, but in this particular thread I'm not going to lean towards either side politically or religiously. Thank you for your post.

reply to post by bugs_n_recovery

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I am trying not to be biased. What I think is funny is that people differ in the opinions of which side I am biased towards. That should be an indication that it is not so much me being biased, but others who are making assumptions as to whose side I'm really on. Some assume I am Christian and intend on using this to convey some brand of Christianity, others assume I am an atheist, and think that I have ulterior motives relating to atheism. Just because I applaud people in both camps who have come here in a positive manner does not mean that I am necessarily affiliated with either. I only mention the two groups because I have yet to see a Buddhist, a Muslim, or any other religion making their voice heard in this thread.

We've had a few agnostics as well, and their opinions are equally important.
I didn't forget about them.

I encourage you to continue to post. I appreciate your concerns.

I add also like to add that though I may have been labeled by some in this thread, I have not confirmed nor denied anything.

[edit on 15-5-2008 by Osiris1953]

[edit on 15-5-2008 by Osiris1953]

reply to post by bugs_n_recovery

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You seem to think there is something wrong with a bit of biasness. I would tend to disagree.

I would say, in moderation, most things are good. In excess, most things are bad. Biasness merely means you prefer one thing over another. I am biased towards Omeletes when compared to scrambled eggs. I would choose and Omelet for no other reason than it is an Omelet and the competition is a scramble egg. Even if studies proved that the Scramble Egg was indeed the better meal. There is no problem there.

It's when biasness gets extreme that problems arise. In the previous case I can simply say "I tend to want to believe in Atlantiens. I'm not sure where, but I'm sure there is a reasonable place beneath the waves or under ice caps where such a great continent could be hidden". The majority of the reason for this belief is simply that they desire the romantic idea of Atlantis, and as of yet the entirety of earth and sea has yet to be scourged to disprove this. For this person it would take COMPLETE TRUTH, not just anothers views or theories, to change their mind.

This is not extreme, as they already state they know they are being a bit less than reasonable until complete truth can be shown and are holding a changing of judgement until then. They would also be respectful and not try to change your view, thus leaving this balanced and not exteme.

An extremist would shout down ever shred of evidence given to repute his view, and in the same breath attempt to turn the situation into one where he can show proof of his cause. Now, this in itself isn't so bad (outside of the denying of fact, which on a conspiricy board is to be expected i.e. cover up and all that) except that this usually takes on a 'Smarter than You' chastising tone.

No, nothing at all wrong with a little biasness. Without it decisions would never be made. It's simply taking things to the extreme in inappropriate manners that is the problem.

reply to post by Osiris1953

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What I see as a problem is the forum some of the threads are in. If a thread is in the "Conspiracies in Religion Forum" you can expect controversy in what you may be trying to get across.

If someone qualifies in the "Faith, Spirituality and Religious Forum" that they are not debating the subject, but want to keep it to like minded believers, I for one - respect that.

I am not religious but am spiritual. I will confront religious issues because - I can, and because I feel it is needed. But many threads I do not touch. I never go to a Christian Website and challenge them.

ATS is not a religious site but is a conspiracy site. Although all are welcome, we all need to know that we can, and will be challenged. I certainly am! I think that there are few who appreciate what my threads entail, that is ok with me.

reply to post by bugs_n_recovery

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Hi, you said that you are a Nestorion. I have never heard of this before, and would really be interested in learning more about you're beliefs if you wouldn't mind sharing them with me.

I'm agnostic and have a few religious threads under my belt.

I have difficulty having faith, I believe in science because I can see, hear, smell, and touch it. Most religions I know of attempt to write there own version of science and even history, based on faith or belief other than fact or observation, to the point of building museums and such that claim to be history or science fact.

I have no problem with people that wish to believe or to have faith in a religion. But for Real, can ya leave me out of it?

However

When these groups of people attempt to limit science such as stim cell research, or what is taught in public school, based on there religious beliefs, that is when it starts to bother me. I personally don't have problems with creation taught in public schools, but when they go after evolution, the theory that is supported by 95% of the scientific community that is when I get upset.

Also many of our laws are based on their religious beliefs, this one group can dictate censorship for all. I'm against laws against nudity, prostitution, a certain weed, gambling, basically I'm against most laws regarding vice, or what these religious groups have labeled vice, if you don't approve, don't participate, but that’s not good enough for them they have and continue to attempt to legislate there religious beliefs.

I'm also against religion being political, because I don't want to live in a religious state or by religious laws. Personally every church in America that gets political should lose there tax exempt status.

I'm not meaning to derail this thread, but I agree this was a good post, but far too rare of a thing in the real world and here on ATS:

reply to post by worldwatcher

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And As for keeping things civil? This is a discussion forum, debates happen here and the way I see it if you abide by the T&C, lets roll.

I agree with the posters that say that there religious or spirituality should be a personal experience, but in reality I live in a country were supreme court justices are chosen based on there moral view of lets say abortion, and Not on there view of the Constitution.

Excuse me if I don’t walk hand in hand with those that wish to dictate how I live threw the legal system.

Debate not only needs to happen but is healthy for us all too happen.

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