Amazing... thanks for collecting and putting together for guys like me who thought they are real...

Thanks ... astar and a flag

I have to say that some of those hoax's were very convincing

Originally posted by zorgon
So the Drones are FAKE???

All that time wasted researching them go figure...



So we might as well give up on UFO research because...

There is no way to tell a real video from one that is CGI

EVERYONE has photoshop

NO ONE believes an eyewitness anymore... unless its a murder case, then eyewitnesses will fry you

so... what about this one?

[edit on 14-5-2008 by zorgon]

As far as I understand, the guy who made the drone videos is not related in any way to the people who took the photos.

He created the videos after seeing the photos.

I may be wrong.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by Comatose]

That does nothing to the footage we have from long ago, and the questions on secrecy over sightings that occurred over 40 years ago!

Originally posted by zorgon
So the Drones are FAKE???

All that time wasted researching them go figure...



So we might as well give up on UFO research because...

There is no way to tell a real video from one that is CGI

EVERYONE has photoshop

NO ONE believes an eyewitness anymore... unless its a murder case, then eyewitnesses will fry you

so... what about this one?

Thanks Ron
If that one would have been a confirmed CGI, then i'd have putted it at the top of the list: but it's not.
A CGI can often be fishy due to lack of supporting data:
eyewitness, media coverage, and so on.
All the CGI in the OP, fortunately, (unlike barzolff814's stuff) weren't intended to be passed as the real deal.
Now, if a guy like Kris Avery would decide to fool the people....
well, i think that it could take a looong time before spotting some hint, some fingerprints of hoax.

Regarding the case of Aviano, i have to say has been handled in a wrong way:
a telephon call and some email sent to a Local TV have been passed as a conclusive debunking.
That one has never been debunked in a convincing way, many attempts, but zero convincing conclusions. Claims claims claims, but zero evidences.
Basically the journalist took seriously an email sent anonymously by someone from an University:
and he also received some calls by people claiming to be able to make an "identical" one, with Adobe after effects, .
Still waiting for the "copy".
Well, the problem with this video is that the video itself is far more convincing than the explanations provided so far:
its scenario, besides,

would explain the secret surrounding the whole story.
But in my opinion is generically "unexplained".

Who says people cant be creative?

There are some really cool ship designs. We should acually build a model and see if it could fly.

So there are actually people that fill their lives with fooling people?

Amazing! No, they are called filmmakers, animators, magicians etcetera.

I am an animator myself, so I am aware how to fool the senses.
The point is, why would you try do it without telling?

And what do we proof? That our senses and minds can be misguided. Wow, well yes, our senses and mind are misguiding us 100% of the time. They assemble and form input and create images that are collectively and individually understood as reality. The world in itself as itself will never be seen by a human, because we have human senses.

And instead of educating us with this general principle, which can be done with doodles, all kinds of graphics, Rohrshach tests, wittness questionaires, Christopher Kenworthy put a LOT of time in this hoax of a ufo wave. Then he says that he did it do educate us, well that is of course a BIG lie. His intent in making these clips was to attract attention for himself and spread it all out on his website see how smart I am and how I debunked UFOexperts (as if there were any beside military men and ET's), and therefore I will give this thread no star or flag. Sorry Internos (I like most of your threads). I was aware of Kenworthies act and the foul way of spilling time and money puts me off. He can keep his lies for the Commision board.

Sorry, I think he is a fake. But it could be my senses.




[edit on 14-5-2008 by Pjotr]

This is fantastic work but to be honest it makes a mockery out of the serious field of ufo study.

People are having enough trouble sorting out which is fake or not.

It would be nice to see more legitimate video and photos with evidence.

Thanks for posting this

Originally posted by Pjotr
So there are actually people that fill their lives with fooling people?

Amazing! No, they are called filmmakers, animators, magicians etcetera.

I am an animator myself, so I am aware how to fool the senses.
The point is, why would you try do it without telling?

And what do we proof? That our senses and minds can be misguided. Wow, well yes, our senses and mind are misguiding us 100% of the time. They assemble and form input and create images that are collectively and individually understood as reality. The world in itself as itself will never be seen by a human, because we have human senses.

And instead of educating us with this general principle, which can be done with doodles, all kinds of graphics, Rohrshach tests, wittness questionaires, Christopher Kenworthy put a LOT of time in this hoax of a ufo wave. Then he says that he did it do educate us, well that is of course a BIG lie. His intent in making these clips was to attract attention for himself and spread it all out on his website see how smart I am and how I debunked UFOexperts (as if there were any beside military men and ET's), and therefore I will give this thread no star or flag. Sorry Internos (I like most of your threads). I was aware of Kenworthies act and the foul way of spilling time and money puts me off. He can keep his lies for the Commision board.

Sorry, I think he is a fake. But it could be my senses.


So true! Egotistic time and money waster

[edit on 14-5-2008 by Pjotr]

The video clips posted by 'zorgon' and 'miguelbmx' look not only blurry but contain what appears to be 'real' UFO's, especially how these objects shoot or blink away suddenly. The clearer ones are done too well with CGI, of course.

I like the fake ones more than the 'real' ones! Just like some people enjoy Hollywood 'war' movies over those grainy old 8mm documentaries showing the real thing. Imaginary bullets, or in this case UFOs, are always more interesting than the real thing. Unfortunately, some individuals make such believable forgeries that the real deal seems, even in high quality, more difficult to acknowledge as true.

Reminds me of a quote:

...but, as I am a new member, and unsure of how to work this quote gizmo, some other time.

Now this is educating the members stuff!

Great job getting this together.

I feel like I'm back in school.