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An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

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posted on Dec, 25 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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wow... almost a 6! and a 4 aftershock

that surprised the heck outta me...

I had wicked bad heartburn last night.. but other than that, I didn't feel any precursors.

so you guys know: Vancouver here.. didn't feel a thing or notice anything weird.. other than the 3 feet of snow on the ground.




posted on Dec, 25 2008 @ 01:06 PM
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Thanks for checking in, pynner. Very interesting about your heartburn. I had it myself, not last night, but Tuesday night... and I never get that. So I'm writing that down to see if it pans out next time there's an offshore EQ up there.



posted on Dec, 25 2008 @ 01:38 PM
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Hi Pynner, great to hear from you...Been a worrying several hours over here on the "night shift" in "old Europe" since that quake hit early this morning my time. Huge relief to know that you are all fine there (except for the snow).

You know, this sequence of quakes is very reminiscent of what happened in the latter half of August this year... Are the local media saying anything much?

Mike



posted on Dec, 25 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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hey guys...

seems to me that there are no reports of anyone feeling this quake.. thankfully it's far enough off the coast as not to effect populated areas.

as far as articles:

www.theprovince.com...

really the only thing and it's a summary of a blurb of a snippet.. lol

as for the snow.. another 10cm tomorrow before it starts to rain.. the flooding should be fun.



posted on Dec, 26 2008 @ 03:10 AM
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Hello All, I have been busy catching up on my Haunting Hotel thread tonite,I had pictures to post this time! just getting to come on this one. I am currently having a weird back of the head headache, it is more like at the top of the back of my head, and has begun to pulse. Visual disturbance is bad tonight too, and loud ear ringing, also pain in my right buttock and thigh.



posted on Dec, 26 2008 @ 03:13 AM
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Just read back a little, so, heartburn huh? I had it bad last night(wed.) and today. I take Nexium, and have not had heartburn in a long time, it got so bad I took a second pill today (Thursday).



posted on Dec, 26 2008 @ 10:40 AM
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Magnitude 4.8 - ANTOFAGASTA, CHILE
2008 December 26 09:04:27 UTC
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One near Mt. Lassen, a volcano, downgraded from a 5.0. This is 83 miles from me, so I believe it explains why the puppy wouldn't come to his bed last night, but instead slept under the dining room table, which is where the 4 yr. old is sleeping now.

I could say this is the 4.5-5.0 in Northern California I've been waiting for, but since it's a volcano, I feel like it's a precursor to something else, just as all the activity in the California hot spring/geyser areas seemed like a precursor for something larger. I believe the little EQ swarm around Lake Davis and Honey Lake, pointed out a few days ago, presaged this nearby event, and/or is somehow connected.

Magnitude 4.5 - NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
2008 December 26 12:19:40 UTC

On May 22, 1915, an explosive eruption at Lassen Peak, the southernmost active volcano in the Cascade Range, devastated nearby areas and rained volcanic ash as far away as 200 miles to the east.

MAP 2.2 2008/12/26 16:46:52 39.983 -120.852 13.2 7 km ( 4 mi) NE of East Quincy, CA
MAP 2.0 2008/12/26 13:12:05 39.954 -120.855 7.4 5 km ( 3 mi) ENE of East Quincy, CA
MAP 2.6 2008/12/26 12:41:32 39.947 -120.878 4.4 3 km ( 2 mi) ENE of East Quincy, CA
MAP 2.6 2008/12/26 12:30:17 39.941 -120.869 0.0 3 km ( 2 mi) ENE of East Quincy, CA
MAP 4.5 2008/12/26 12:19:40 39.952 -120.877 3.0 3 km ( 2 mi) NE of East Quincy, CA

Also, offshore Alaska, in the subduction zone.

Magnitude 3.5 - SOUTH OF ALASKA
2008 December 26 12:10:59 UTC

Edit to Add:

Quincy waveforms

[edit on 12/26/08 by kattraxx]



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 12:15 AM
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I'm getting the same pains I had before the Ludlow EQ. Not quite as sharp, but close, so my educated guess for a magnitude would be +4.0 by Monday probably. This area includes Yucca Valley, Baker, Baghdad, Landers and Joshua Tree. Last time was the first time I've gotten this particular precursor. So we'll see.

Also, I thought I was getting some PNW offshore precursors earlier. Nothing intense.



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 12:17 AM
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What did you eat/drink before you had the heartburn?



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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Magnitude 3.3 - PENNSYLVANIA
2008 December 27 05:04:34 UTC

Observe50, was this anywhere near you?

40.113°N, 76.424°W
Depth 5 km (3.1 miles) set by location program
Region PENNSYLVANIA
Distances 2 km (1 miles) NNW (342°) from Salunga-Landisville, PA
6 km (4 miles) SSW (203°) from Manheim, PA
6 km (4 miles) WNW (284°) from East Petersburg, PA
13 km (8 miles) NW (309°) from Lancaster, PA



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 01:05 AM
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I think I know what a precursor for PA might be, because I started on my way to work, 10:30pm and I had to pull over for a minute, I had sudden and violent vomiting with blurred vision. I got here and checked the map, I didn't see anything happening at that time, for about 2 hours I felt nauseated, and it stopped around 1230-100am. I have no syptoms at this moment of being sick at all, other than a nagging headache, in the back and front, but the nausea is completely gone, and my vision has cleared up. So it is 200am now, and I checked again and see the PA hit.

edit to add info: quote from UCGS about conditions after an 1800's earthquake in the PA area




earthquakes at Philadelphia were accompanied by a great and unusual swell on the Delaware River.



[edit on 27-12-2008 by space cadet]

[edit on 27-12-2008 by space cadet]



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:36 AM
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3 brand new ones out of Utah.. it was weird to watch them pop up, one at a time.

M 4.5, Utah

Date:
Saturday, December 27, 2008 09:18:25 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:18:25 AM at epicenter
Depth:
7.10 km (4.41 mi)

M 3.0, Utah

Date:
Saturday, December 27, 2008 09:26:18 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:26:18 AM at epicenter
Depth:
1.00 km (0.62 mi)



M 2.9, Wasatch Front Urban Corridor, Utah

Date:
Saturday, December 27, 2008 09:27:51 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:27:51 AM at epicenter
Depth:
1.90 km (1.18 mi)



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:37 AM
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wow.. that 2.9 was actually in salt lake city.

alot of movement tonight.



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:38 AM
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435am, I haven't checked yet, I expect a lot of activity though, I now have a raging headache, blurred vision, lower leg pain, both legs, knee pain-right knee, and am again naueated. Over the last hour it has come on and worsened. I am gonna lay my head on this desk for a while.



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:43 AM
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wtf, they removed the 4.5 utah eq...

something fishy about that..


---edit---

they have now just removed ALL of the utah quakes

[edit on 27-12-2008 by pynner]



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 03:51 AM
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M 2.9, Wasatch Front Urban Corridor, Utah

Date:
Saturday, December 27, 2008 09:41:45 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 02:41:45 AM at epicenter
Depth:
3.40 km (2.11 mi)

Magnitude 2.9 - WASATCH FRONT URBAN CORRIDOR, UTAH
2008 December 27 09:41:45 UTC

* Details
* Maps

Where can I find...?
Earthquake Details
Magnitude 2.9
Date-Time

* Saturday, December 27, 2008 at 09:41:45 UTC
* Saturday, December 27, 2008 at 02:41:45 AM at epicenter

Location 40.253°N, 111.761°W
Depth 3.4 km (2.1 miles) (poorly constrained)
Region WASATCH FRONT URBAN CORRIDOR, UTAH
Distances

* 6 km (4 miles) S (183°) from Vineyard, UT
* 8 km (5 miles) SW (227°) from Orem, UT
* 9 km (5 miles) W (276°) from Provo, UT
* 57 km (35 miles) S (169°) from Salt Lake City, UT

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 13.3 km (8.3 miles); depth +/- 42 km (26.1 miles)
Parameters NST= 8, Nph= 8, Dmin=27 km, Rmss=0.7 sec, Gp=263°,
M-type=duration magnitude (Md), Version=0
Source

* University of Utah Seismograph Stations

Event ID uu00002307


before they erase it... like the rest



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 04:11 AM
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M 4.0, Wasatch Front Urban Corridor, Utah

Date:
Saturday, December 27, 2008 10:04:48 UTC
Saturday, December 27, 2008 03:04:48 AM at epicenter
Depth:
15.00 km (9.32 mi)



in provo utah... surely someone has to be feeling these!



Earthquake Details
Magnitude 4.0
Date-Time

* Saturday, December 27, 2008 at 10:04:48 UTC
* Saturday, December 27, 2008 at 03:04:48 AM at epicenter

Location 40.428°N, 111.778°W
Depth 15 km (9.3 miles) (poorly constrained)
Region WASATCH FRONT URBAN CORRIDOR, UTAH
Distances

* 2 km (1 miles) NE (51°) from Highland, UT
* 3 km (2 miles) NW (320°) from Cedar Hills, UT
* 3 km (2 miles) S (186°) from Alpine, UT
* 13 km (8 miles) SE (140°) from Draper, UT
* 23 km (14 miles) NNW (334°) from Provo, UT
* 38 km (23 miles) SSE (165°) from Salt Lake City, UT

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 17.8 km (11.1 miles); depth +/- 21 km (13.0 miles)
Parameters NST= 6, Nph= 6, Dmin=36 km, Rmss=0.38 sec, Gp=313°,
M-type=duration magnitude (Md), Version=0
Source

* University of Utah Seismograph Stations

Event ID uu00002309



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 10:13 AM
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Hi Pynner,

yep, those Utah quakes got "cancelled". However, as soon as I saw the 4.5 I got screen shots of its data page and local map page (because of the known history of Utah quakes disappearing), and also got a map shot of the 2.9 in Salt Lake City. I missed the other one as I was off doing some other stuff for a few minutes.

Just give me a few minutes and I'll upload them to a host and post them...

What is it about that area? They get an awful lot of quakes "cancelled". Pretty unusual to cancel one as big as a 4.5, though.


[edit on 27/12/08 by JustMike]



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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Here's what I manged to get related to today's "deleted" quakes in Utah. These are all screen shots and have not been altered in any way.
First, the data page for the mag 4.5 quake:



Here is the local region map showing this quake:



The mag 2.9 and the other mag 3.0 (?). The mag 4.5 is SW from here and just missed being shown on this map as well. Sorry about that. When I took the screen shot I didn't realize there'd been three quakes (or non-quakes) and it was only later (too much later!) that I saw that the other square was for a quake I hadn't even noted at the time.



When I checked back around an hour or so later, these quakes were gone. Here is a screenshot of the region timestamped (by USGS) 43 minutes after the one that shows both quakes indicated above:



I also took a screenshot of the USGS Nth America map page (which I try to do every day anyway.) This one, timestamped 09:32 by USGS clearly shows two quakes in Utah (in red):



(All images from USGS. Posted for informational and educational purposes only.)

Please note that officially, none of these three quakes actually happened. Now, while there are sometimes perfectly good and legitimate reasons for deleting quakes, deleting three at different locations in one US state in such a short period of time is frankly rather unusual.

What is around there that we're not supposed to know about? Or am I being overly suspicious?

Mike

Edit to add: Reading back through Pynner's posted data from USGS, it appears there were five separate quakes in Utah around the Salt Lake City region (and not three as I said above) -- all of them then deleted/cancelled by USGS. I missed a couple as I was busy with saving screen shots then doing other stuff. Pynner, thanks for being on the ball and posting them!


[edit on 27/12/08 by JustMike]



posted on Dec, 27 2008 @ 11:17 AM
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I got all the USGS email notifications for the Utah EQ's and the deletion notices.

Here's what I've found so far about the general region. Still hunting for specifics, and looking for any news reports of the EQ's.

geology.utah.gov...

[edit on 12/27/08 by kattraxx]



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