Yeah odd you dont hear about this AT ALL in the MSM...just goes to show you if you dont watch the news you are uninformed but if you watch the news you are misinformed.

After reading the article, it seems to me that this one weapons stash didn't have any items from Iran. This does not mean no weapons have been found that came from Iran, just in this one case of found munitions. Need to be careful when making the claim that no weapons from Iran have ever been found. The article doesn't even do that, even though news headlines can be deceiving or misleading compaired to the actual article content, to grab your attention.

MHO

Originally posted by eyes2open
After reading the article, it seems to me that this one weapons stash didn't have any items from Iran. This does not mean no weapons have been found that came from Iran, just in this one case of found munitions.
MHO

Come on they lied about the WMD I believe they would lie about anything they needed to now (to justify whatever they want).

Theres proof these weapons arent from Iran, until they actually show physical proof doesnt that make them INNOCENT?

Personally, I think the Iranian government is helping the shiite majority in Iraq to overthrow the current puppet government installed by the USA. In other words the usa brought this whole fiasco upon themselves by "liberating" it from "evil" sadam.

Why do you think the usa did not "liberate" Iraq during the first gulf war when they attacked kuwait? Bush Sr. knew better and stopped.

Probably syria, pakistan and many other hard line muslim fundamentalists are also contributing. This war on terror will never end because it is not supposed to end!

The greedy, war-profitting neo-cons probably knew about it and took full advantage of the situation to get rich at everyone else's expense.

Makes me sick we have such people in power but I guess it's really no big deal in the end since europeans have been doing this for centuries and they openly brag about it...even today!

Sorry I had to get that kick under the belt because some people are intentionally ignorant! Blame usa for everything while china, russia and the muslims get ready to go on their own power trip!

Guys its not "the world is imperfect" its "the world is far from perfect". Try being unbiased. It probably won't hurt!

Originally posted by ATruGod

Originally posted by eyes2open
After reading the article, it seems to me that this one weapons stash didn't have any items from Iran. This does not mean no weapons have been found that came from Iran, just in this one case of found munitions.
MHO

Come on they lied about the WMD I believe they would lie about anything they needed to now (to justify whatever they want).

Theres proof these weapons arent from Iran, until they actually show physical proof doesnt that make them INNOCENT?

I refuse to get into the whole "Government lies" topic. I just wanted to clarify the discussion around the article posted and to what I gathered from reading it.

When jumping to conclussions you somtimes jump past the actual truth. The truth, in my opinion, usually lies somewhere between conflicting opinions.

Originally posted by eyes2open
When jumping to conclussions you somtimes jump past the actual truth. The truth, in my opinion, usually lies somewhere between conflicting opinions.

Exactly. The world keeps getting more and more polarized and yet we don't even realize it. I know the culprits: False pride, skewed news, biased education, divide and conquer through religion, etc.

Instead of unifying we are dividing. Nothing new really!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Personally, I think the Iranian government is helping the shiite majority in Iraq to overthrow the current puppet government installed by the USA.

Actually Iran is seeking friendship with that government. Nouri Al-Maliki, the current Iraqi Prime Minister, is Shia.

Why do you think the usa did not "liberate" Iraq during the first gulf war when they attacked kuwait? Bush Sr. knew better and stopped.

Probably syria, pakistan and many other hard line muslim fundamentalists are also contributing. This war on terror will never end because it is not supposed to end!

The biggest state of Muslim fundamentalists trying to destabilize the region is our pal Saudi Arabia.

The greedy, war-profitting neo-cons probably knew about it and took full advantage of the situation to get rich at everyone else's expense.

You're right about the profiteering angle.

Makes me sick we have such people in power but I guess it's really no big deal in the end since europeans have been doing this for centuries and they openly brag about it...even today!

Sorry I had to get that kick under the belt because some people are intentionally ignorant! Blame usa for everything while china, russia and the muslims get ready to go on their own power trip!

Actually we have a lot to answer for. Reverend Wright was correct--America's chickens are coming home to roost. You can't spend sixty-plus years running around the world overthrowing democratically-elected governments and installing pro-US dictators so corporations can exploit the people, supplying dictators with chemical and biological weapons to use on their enemies both foreign and domestic, supporting the criminals running the illegal drug trade to make operational capital for more covert intelligence and military adventures, invading sovereign nations to control their natural resources, and destabilizing the economies of other nations without expecting some consequences somewhere down the line. America is guilty of all this and more.

As for China, they own us. Russia still has no economy to speak of. And the "Muslims" you fear are largely a created threat, a distraction to keep people occupied while the PTB rob us blind.



[edit on 5/13/2008 by The Nighthawk]

[edit on 5/13/2008 by The Nighthawk]

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by eyes2open
When jumping to conclussions you somtimes jump past the actual truth. The truth, in my opinion, usually lies somewhere between conflicting opinions.

Exactly. The world keeps getting more and more polarized and yet we don't even realize it. I know the culprits: False pride, skewed news, biased education, divide and conquer through religion, etc.

Instead of unifying we are dividing. Nothing new really!

You got that right. I believe if more people didn't pick sides their vision of the world would look quite different. Progress would be made. Wounds would heal. Anger would subside. But those in power want the masses to pick sides and keep fighting. And most are more than happy to appease them. I guess it is an easier way to deal with problems, but I just cannot believe something just because the team I joined believes that.

If I don't look for my own path and follow it and instead take the path of others, have I reached the place I wanted to go or where they wanted me to go?

Would it be wrong to assume by this statement that US Military are saying to the US President etc that we do not agree with an invasion of Iran.

Just a way out there thought.

Wolfie

Originally posted by eyes2open
After reading the article, it seems to me that this one weapons stash didn't have any items from Iran. This does not mean no weapons have been found that came from Iran, just in this one case of found munitions. Need to be careful when making the claim that no weapons from Iran have ever been found. The article doesn't even do that, even though news headlines can be deceiving or misleading compaired to the actual article content, to grab your attention.

MHO

I agree with you. Also, where is the information on this? Why were they deemed not of Iranian origin? Why in the holy heck would the U.S. military take an Iraqi general's word for it in the first place that they were of Iraqi origin? It doesn't make any sense.

It's also possible that the weapon was actually made in Iraq but some parts used in making it were brought in from Iran. Come to think about it, How would we ever really know what parts are of Iranian origin or not anyway? Especially since explosives are huge on the black market?

-ChriS

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Further proof that we are getting wrapped up in a quagmire in my humble opinion.

We now have the Sunni's playing against the shiites playing us against Each other.

And we're letting them pull our strings for a chance at first dibs on the oil of the final winner.

This is why we should be here in America, and Afghanistan/Pakistan hunting for Bin Laden. Theres no reason for us to be in Iraq, and Now some of the corrupt Iraqi's are playing us against their Iranian Enemies.




Coven

One of the things that people seem to forget, in rushing to judgment about Iran's motives in this mess, is that even if the weapons (or some of their components) did come from Iran it may not have been sanctioned by the Iranian government. How many Americans own AR-15s and similar paramilitary weapons legally? How many own grey-market weapons that are essentially identical to US military hardware? For those that do, does it automatically mean they got them from military sources with the blessing of the US government?

Something to remember, is that just as here in the US there's not a cop on every single corner or watching every gun show and sale to ensure everything's above-board, Iran doesn't have cops watching everything 24/7 either. Gang members with full-auto AK-47s should prove that to anybody who doubts. IF Iranians are in Iraq screwing around (the evidence is pointing to a big negatory on that) it does not automatically mean "Iran" and Ahmedinajad are behind it.

Originally posted by coven
This is why we should be here in America, and Afghanistan/Pakistan hunting for Bin Laden. Theres no reason for us to be in Iraq, and Now some of the corrupt Iraqi's are playing us against their Iranian Enemies.

I wouldn't put it past leftover loyalists from Saddam's former regime to try and discredit the new Shia-led Iraqi government, and derail any alliances with Iran, by using black-market Iranian-made (but not necessarily Iranian Government-backed) weapons and components against their fellow Iraqis.

The real quagmire will be when america pulls out of iraq and civil war begins. Thousands will be slaughtered and the middle east will be even more destabilized then it was prior to the invasion.

Take that to the bank!