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posted on May, 13 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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I see a lot of people posting on here about being conservative, liberal, progressive, Republican. Democrat, Libertarian... and I wonder what that all really means. I know, I know, conservative is some mean old man guarding the money, a liberal is someone who wants to spread flowers and happiness... but really, where do you come down on what issues?

For instance, I am usually labeled a conservative. I am against abortion and believe it is nothing short of murder. I advocate the death penalty for hardened criminals, even to the point of wanting 'Old Sparky' brought back and the executions shown on PPV. I think Reagan was a great President, and Carter was a total flop. On the other hand, I think Bush has made a total mess of things as well, and Clinton didn't do too bad a job.

When it comes to the Iraq War, I think we started out right, and then got into a mess. I don't want to just quit, I want us to win! But I also don't think we are presently doing any real good over there, so if we can't win, maybe a measured retreat would be the best solution.

On health care, that's pretty big, but I don't want some egghead doctor having control over what I decide to do in my life. I posted a better description of my ideas on this here.

On who to vote for this year, I'm thinking about writing in my dog's name. I think he'd do a better job then the three we have to choose from. Maybe we could get a betrter outcome if we actually had paper ballots everywhere again?

Big government should be shrunk quite a bit. I'd like to see the EPA down to the size of a local DMV, the IRS abolished, defense spending watched closely (trim a lot of fat off that pig, just leave the muscle), and the War on Drugs stopped dead in its tracks. Homeland Security sounded good, but it's turned out to be too Gestapo-ish. And the Patriot Act should be burned.

I want to see restrictions once again placed on monopolies, the only major drawback to a capitalist society. OK, one more drawback, let's have some regs on commodity trading on food and fuel. Government could do some good there.

I want to mail a letter for 25 cents again!


I want the Mexican border closed tight, with a double-layer electrified fence. And I want the CEOs, managers, etc of any company that employs illegals knowingly to be jailed, not just fined. I want no social services for illegals, and I think the 'anchor-baby' thing is a perversion of the intent of our Constitution.

Y'all get the idea? I know it's a broad topic, but where do you come down on what?

TheRedneck




posted on May, 13 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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Well I don't know what I am but I get called a Liberal more often then not. However I don't think I am.


As for abortion I am pro choice, but only because you can't fully understand all situations people might be in during a pregnancy. And just because your life is perfect doesn't mean everybody else life is.

Iraq was a mistake from the start. The main reason the US went over their was to take control of the area so they could further push their democracy is love agenda to all in the middle east. All just a bunch of "we are better then you" and "you will do as we say" crap.

Health care, let it be socialised for those that wish it so and the insurance companies can compete with that to keep the self reliant people with them. Win win no?

Send your dogs name here I will vote for him as well.


EPA I am not very familiar with but if they are taking their job seriously then it sounds like a use full organization. I Agree on the IRS/FR. Also agree on Drug "war." Homeland security, agreed. Patriot act is unconstitutional and is beyond crap.

Not big on Economics so I really don't have much to add about that. However monopoly restrictions should be tightly enforced.

As for our boarders, they both need better enforcement. This is the US not international flop house or a zone for testing bombs or the like. We have to have some sense of order here. I really don't think its to hard to get a green card. Sounds quite hard to get a full citizenship here but you don't need that to be here legally and respectfully.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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I believe that you could label yourself as an intelligent human being. To truely embody being a "conservative" means that you have to back conservatism no matter what. Same thing goes for liberalism. The fact of the matter is, these lines of thinking (no matter where you "stand") come from politicians. Politicians lie, cheat, steal, plunder, and pillage their way into our lives. So to say you agree with section A.) of conservatism and section B.) of liberalism makes you an intelligent and free thinking individual. This world does not need mind numb robots.

I commend you



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 10:44 PM
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Send your dogs name here I will vote for him as well.


His name is 'Ox'. He's anti-fleas, and anti-ticks, but strongly pro-lick and pro-tail-wagging.


He's also not racist. He's white, but has a large black spot on one side of his face and black spots on his back. No Chinese ties though. He will eat anything, and loves Mexicans.


TheRedneck



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 10:54 PM
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Redneck
I have just about hit the same wall you have.Instead of writing in my dogs name I'm going to write in RON PAUL for President.

He is not a NWO groomed cantidate as evidenced by how little press he recieves.If you really want to stick it to "The Powers That Be" vote for someone they don't want in office! A man who wants to get us out of the UN and wants to take our money back from the FEDERAL RESERVE



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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I guess I pretty much agree with you on most points. I have always gone with the notion that a conserative is one who actualy looks at the situation...then thinks about IT, and not what it looks like. Then do whats right for that situation and not whats expediant. In other words,"Do No Harm". To often both parties for the most part do whats expediant for they're own good and not for the people they represent. I labled myself a Conservative/Libertarian because I like the best of both ideas. I never walk lockstep for anyone or anything. I have a concience i have to live with and i find that this is the easy way to live with myself!! So, thats it in the nutshell!! Oh..I'm votin' fer the DOG!!! gotta have more brains than the lesser of two evils we have to pick from!!

Zindo

[edit on 5/14/2008 by ZindoDoone]

[edit on 5/14/2008 by ZindoDoone]



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by TheRedneck
I see a lot of people posting on here about being conservative, liberal, progressive, Republican. Democrat, Libertarian... and I wonder what that all really means. I know, I know, conservative is some mean old man guarding the money, a liberal is someone who wants to spread flowers and happiness... but really, where do you come down on what issues?

For instance, I am usually labeled a conservative. I am against abortion and believe it is nothing short of murder. I advocate the death penalty for hardened criminals, even to the point of wanting 'Old Sparky' brought back and the executions shown on PPV. I think Reagan was a great President, and Carter was a total flop. On the other hand, I think Bush has made a total mess of things as well, and Clinton didn't do too bad a job.

In my opinion, label are labels. They don't mean anything. Be a free thinking individual and don't let anyone decide your not one. Truthfully, these labels are used by so many people to break and create hatred among other people. Since I am a new member. I might as well as share my political views. I'm probably going to be labeled as liberal. I'm actually a moderate. I'm pro-choice, I believe it's the womans choice. It's her body. Also, I'm anti-death penalty. And finally pro-gay marriage. However, I am pro 2nd amendment, against total gun control, and school gun free zones.

When it comes to the Iraq War, I think we started out right, and then got into a mess. I don't want to just quit, I want us to win! But I also don't think we are presently doing any real good over there, so if we can't win, maybe a measured retreat would be the best solution.

I actually agreed with the war. Now, I don't know. It seems like we did more harm than good.

On health care, that's pretty big, but I don't want some egghead doctor having control over what I decide to do in my life. I posted a better description of my ideas on this here.

On who to vote for this year, I'm thinking about writing in my dog's name. I think he'd do a better job then the three we have to choose from. Maybe we could get a betrter outcome if we actually had paper ballots everywhere again?

Politicians are all the same.

Big government should be shrunk quite a bit. I'd like to see the EPA down to the size of a local DMV, the IRS abolished, defense spending watched closely (trim a lot of fat off that pig, just leave the muscle), and the War on Drugs stopped dead in its tracks. Homeland Security sounded good, but it's turned out to be too Gestapo-ish. And the Patriot Act should be burned.

I totally agree.

I want to see restrictions once again placed on monopolies, the only major drawback to a capitalist society. OK, one more drawback, let's have some regs on commodity trading on food and fuel. Government could do some good there.

Again, I totally agree.

I want to mail a letter for 25 cents again!


I want the Mexican border closed tight, with a double-layer electrified fence. And I want the CEOs, managers, etc of any company that employs illegals knowingly to be jailed, not just fined. I want no social services for illegals, and I think the 'anchor-baby' thing is a perversion of the intent of our Constitution.

I sort of agree. The immigrants we have now should be provided but I feel the US can only take so much.

Y'all get the idea? I know it's a broad topic, but where do you come down on what?

TheRedneck


P.S. Reagan was a great president but after the attempted assassination by Hinckley he changed.

[edit on 5/17/2008 by studentofcrim25]



posted on May, 17 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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Well, in a general sense you sound like a libertarian. I too, identify more with them than the others.

But on to your main point. I don't think putting a label on your ideals is anything short of settling for a belief system you only half-support. Its pigeonholing in the worst sense in the word, but they do it so they can have rallies, debates, and other activities that thrive on division.

In America, if you aren't arguing with anyone, you must not have much to say.

I will never vote again until we break this dirty bipartisan mess we have made for ourselves. And I'm still going to complain because I still didn't get my way and I am paying my taxes.

In the end, it doesn't matter who you compare yourself to, its what YOU think. Sounds corny yes, but at least then we have something to be passionate about.



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