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posted on May, 14 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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Good thread. I'm glad to see this getting some exposure. It's funny how this sort of thing can speak to so many people on such a personal level.

If anybody wants to delve a little further into some of Morrison's occult philosophy, i may or may not have a bootleg full run of 'The Invisibles' in .jpg form, and if you u2u me, i may or may not send it to you.


as for my own experience, I have some advice:

1) Be creative in how you dispose of the Sigil. Crumpling it up and throwing it away doesn't focus the mind like burning it in public or nailing it to a telephone pole.

2) Be careful how you phrase your desire, and be aware that nearly any statement can be interpreted in more than one way.

3) Be willing to participate in the realization of your desire. Existence is never a passive exercise. Sometimes all a Sigil does is allow you to see which strings to pull to achieve a given end... you have to pull them yourself.

4) Have fun with it. There's no point, otherwise.

5) Nothing amuses Eris like a human with a plan.




posted on May, 14 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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LOA = Law of Attraction. There is an excellent (and massive) thread here if you do a search. I've skimmed it and plan to read it entirely over the weekend.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by SystemiK
reply to post by Kupios
 


LOA = Law of Attraction. There is an excellent (and massive) thread here if you do a search. I've skimmed it and plan to read it entirely over the weekend.



Thank you SystemiK! I just might do the very same!



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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I will investigate more into this subject if nothing more to see another way to acheive the same ends.

In my opinion, as the "observer" in your own life, your reality is in your hands.

If you want something and need a tool to make it happen, then blame the tool. If you really understand Sigil Magick, well let me dig out my quotes

"There is no spoon." as in "there is no tool" you just have to believe you will get what you want. If it doesn't come by "luck" you may have to make it physically happen.

Unlocking your secrets, is realizing that you should not look to the Roman colliseum for distraction away from your problems. If you want to better yourself and/or realize Magick, look within without distraction.

It may or may not come quickly. It also can be a Monkey's Paw.

-ADHD



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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Kup-
I have really learned from and enjoyed this thread so much, it was totally my pleasure to contribute. Other than C.C. Ben's slight bit of negativity(
), it's been a completely forward-moving thread and I'm glad to be a part of it.


My thoughts on using numbers is this: Wouldn't spelling the number out with letters work in this case? i.e. 3 = three = thr? Seems feasable to me.

I'm about to head down to my nice quiet, dark basement and meditate on my sigil (yes, I chose to meditate
) while listening to a special drum circle CD I have. My target will be for someone else because I think the selflessness of it will be more apt to be recordable...and more sensitive to Karma. Deleting it from my conscience mind may be tough due to my involvement in this thread, but, what the heck!

Here goes!

Cuhail


[edit on 5/14/2008 by Cuhail]



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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Very interesting thread.
can anyone give or share any examples of sentences they used to make their sigils that worked for them?
Definitely would like to try this.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Kupios
Earthscum, thank you for your excellent input! The journal is a very good idea. Most of my friends have a sigil journal. It's spooky to look back at it and see just how efficient this stuff is. Could you expand on the use of hebrew? Maybe explain exactly what techniques you are using.


Thank YOU for starting this thread!

Basically, it all comes down to what ADHD said... there is no spoon. From my own observations and experiences, the Sigil is in part, a way to focus your desire or wish... it is THE focusing point. If you are interested in using Hebrew letters, it may add to the ritual itself, or at least that is the way it seems to me. Basically, from what I understand, sigil making has deep roots in Kabbalah, and if it helps you to fucus on your desire by adding in a final translation step before drawing your final sigil, then use it. You can always dig a hole by hand, but a shovel seems to work much better.

I found this site, may be helpful:
Kabbalah Videos

Percieving Reality
What is Kabbalah?


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posted on May, 14 2008 @ 10:42 AM
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Refinement's reply to C.C. Benjamin was an excellent perspective on the topic, and it inspired me to share my own opinion.

I personally am typically skeptic about anything on ATS, and a lot of the skepticism is defensive. This is the same reason that I choose not to engage in sigil magick or anything of the like. I don't believe in its objective power at all, but at the same time, I am very afraid of "hacking my perception" and perceiving things that may or may not be real, but that I will believe to be real if I see/hear/sense them. I am comfortable in my bubble, the reality that is most obvious to us when we enter the world. Any other reality, internal or external, is one that I do not wish to find.

I realize, too, that until I accept my power to reverse any damage I do through perception-altering meditation (or "magick" as some say), I should not engage in any. Indeed, my greatest fear on the subject is that I can't reverse anything, so for now I will reject any opportunities to alter the world I live in. Heck, I'm an engineer, I can alter the relatively objective world we all see; there's no sense dabbling in dangerous devices (alliteratively).

EDIT: Homophones

[edit on 14-5-2008 by pondrthis]



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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Ya know what? That is probably the most positive attitued I've seen from someone... you are grounded in your reason for not wanting to participate, and it is completely reasonable! Thank you.

Perhaps Reality Engineering is more your style. Reality engineering is basically the same thing, but has no 'magical' properties to it. Reality engineering is something the 'higher-ups' have been using for a long time. It is referred to by The Curch of Satan (Anton Lavey) as Direct Magic... a small action at the precise time will bring about your desires. It is actually very practical, and you can see it in use all around you... colors incite hunger, symbols catch your curiosity and draw you in, slogans make you want to try out a product. Realit Engineering is the basis for advertising.

This guy is absolutely crazy, but he makes a good illustration of Reality Engineering, or Direct Majick...
Dr. Steel's Reality Engineering



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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Very interesting thread! And I will definitely pay this some very serious attention, but I have some questions, some of which have been asked but not fully explained yet:

Firstly, it seems that most people wish to attract some kind of positive karma through these sigils; the acquisition of some wisdom, the help of a friend, monetary gain, but what powers does this magic have to alter immediate physical states? In particular I would like to know if anyone, or if there is any documentation, of whether it is effective in treating illness. Although it may be a self-interested desire to be healed, would the tides of karma flow this way?

The other question I have concerns forgetting about the sigil. What exactly is required here, should one forget the wish one made, or merely forget the immediate symbol of the sigil?

Also, have we reached a general consensus that the sigil should be destroyed immediately following the ritual rather than the reward?

Again thanks for the thread!



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 11:54 AM
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Hey guys I watched the video, read the thread etc. I have some form of idea what to do, to try it out. But It would be nice for someone who knows to make a very simple step by step guide to what you do, because this thread is like a maze, it would be nice to have it simple and easy.

You know like:

Step 1: Write down your desire on paper

Step 2: Here is where I get confused.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 11:55 AM
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Just to clarify why I think forgetting would be a serious issue, if one is meditating on something very serious in ones life, something that normally consumes much of your thoughts, and you turn to this as a possible solution to those problems, how could you forget such a serious thing?



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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So how do you do it...



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 12:12 PM
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So how do you do it...



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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SATANIC SIGILS



I watched the videos of Grant Morrison, 5 parts in all. From what I can see the MAGICK and its variants all seem to be connected to Satanism.The phone rang while I was watching the You Tube Videos of Comicon and there on the wall of the hall where Grant was speaking was projected a 666.
If you read your Bible in the end times all of this sort of thing is predicted.
THE SECRET, ZEITGEIST , Celestine Prophecy, all seem to be a long line designed to make mankind fall away from faith in God. My sense of this is its dangerous spiritually.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 12:48 PM
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A faithful act of intent is neutral until affected by mental attitude. Self service is, (sort of) in effect, satanism. We are always out of the holy circle, similar to, but vastly incomparable to the "one", Lord, God, Universe etc. What of the people who said they were helping others with this practice though?

Self love is different from love itself so I agree and disagree with you.

I follow Yeshua. The true revelation is that the mind, coupled with the heart, is the chisel that molds the rock of form and reality.

Think, and it is.

Image is like the finger pointing at the moon. It is there to guide, not to take captive.

if you saw a sigil, a random design, on a billboard though, your mind would appraise it with mystery and esteem.. your reality was just then altered forever, your beings course, diverted.

Your thread of time unwound just a bit more while assessing that which seemingly has no value.

Edit: The point being, an ideal or mental construct is only valuable based on the amount of value vested in it by the individual mind. Different strokes for different folks.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by depth om]



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 01:03 PM
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Actually, everything you've asked has been answered, albeit not in a direct manner.


In particular I would like to know if anyone, or if there is any documentation, of whether it is effective in treating illness. Although it may be a self-interested desire to be healed, would the tides of karma flow this way?


In the video, Grant actually talks about how he made himself sick and then fixed himself using his Comic book sigils. Using sigils to heal yourself or others is very real.

Trying to think back, I remember doing a mental sigil after my knee surgery. I went through Arthroscopic surgery, but never did any follow-up visits for physical therapy. To this day the knee I had surgery on is more reliable than any other joint in my body. That is one of the times I did a mental sigil, and a couple weeks later the sigil appeared a couple times around me, and I knew that it had come to fruition. I think I made that sigil when I got stuck laying on my side on the couch and couldn't move enough to get up because of the pain (had to call my friend down to lift my leg out of it's akward position, lol!)



The other question I have concerns forgetting about the sigil. What exactly is required here, should one forget the wish one made, or merely forget the immediate symbol of the sigil?



Just to clarify why I think forgetting would be a serious issue, if one is meditating on something very serious in ones life, something that normally consumes much of your thoughts, and you turn to this as a possible solution to those problems, how could you forget such a serious thing?


there really isn't a way for a person to completely put it out of their minds. It's hard to put it out of your mind, say if you were living on the street and wished for a job and home...


Originally posted by _Phoenix_
But It would be nice for someone who knows to make a very simple step by step guide to what you do, because this thread is like a maze, it would be nice to have it simple and easy.


Take care of both at the same time...

Ok, you write down your wishes, as simply as you can, but careful of your wording... there was an episode of The Twilight Zone where an antique store owner came across a genie in a lamp. The guy wished for a million dollars. The money appeared on the floor, so he started giving money out to all in the community... then the tax guy showed up and took the rest. Then he wished that he was ruler of a great nation, a wealthy nation, and he appeared as Hitler, and his officer was handing him a bottle of cyanide. I just use that as illustration... be careful of your wishes and desires.

[bI wish to have a job and home

Now, remove all vowels. (I believe this comes from the fact that ancient alphabets didn't have vowels... they are just sounds between consanats)

W SH T H V J B ND H M

Now remove repeating letters and we come up with:

WSHTVJBNDM

Now, take thos letters and overlap them to create your sigil. There is no set rules for creating your sigil. From what I understand, you can take and draw a circle, or in this case, lets say a 10 pointed star (10 letters) and write one of the letters to each point of the star. In earlier posts, I warned against using significant numbers, however... I would probably choose a circle with the idea that the circle encompasses the entire wish and keeps it bound. The circle is representation of cycles, that everything is bound together as one, and that we are one with nature... we ARE nature. The sigil talked about in this thread, the one Grant talks about, is made by overlapping the letters... H, N and M share 2 upright elements that can overlap. a small loop connecting the bottom of those three would be the J, etc etc. There are no set rules involved in the sigil... the most important part is that you concentrate on your wish or desire WHILE you are making it. Focus on it, not with just your conscious mind, but with your soul. This is the reason for having a spiritually clean space, and reason why people prescribe different rituals... whatever works for them to create that focus.

After you have created the sigil, you need to avtivate it, or charge it. It is my belief that you are charging it while you create it, but I can readily clear my head with no problem... I think it's a self defense mechanism (I'm admittedly an Empath). That is the reason for the maturbation techniques or whatnot. Like I said, I like to listen to select music. If you can find a song that just resonates in your mind and seems to make all the cares of the world melt away, I'd suggest listening to it. Have your sigil ready, and while you are listening your thoughts will clear and nothing but the music in your head, you imprint that sigil. Look at it, and don't think about it's meaning, just stare at the lines you created. If you do the music, you can stare at the sigil and let the shapes and lines float around freely in your head with the music. (btw, careful of what music you listen to... I said earlier Pink Floyd and Incubus... Incubus is REALLY good, they have such powerful positive vibes to the music and lyurics).

Once you are ready, you can do many things with the sigil. What I find works best is what you immediatly want to do with it. Sometimes you wil feel inclined to burn it, sometimes you will feel inclined to treat it as a keepsake. Or maybe you create the sigil in the sand while you are on the beach and wipe it clean. Basically it's all contextual to your purpose. Sometimes you may write your sigil on cloth and bury it because you feel that it will prolong the effects, but it will eventually fade out in time. Some sigils are made permanent in stone.

Now you've done your 'ceremony', and it's time to clear your head. In this instance, we hypothetically asked for a job and home. Don't go out looking for a home. If you have been looking for a job, go follow up on it, it's fine. Seriously, you are living on the streets, I doubt you are gonna forget that. The purpose is that you don't want to delude yourself into accepting false 'gifts'. In my case, I usually see the sigil again, interpretting at the time whether it is a sign that it's still working on it, or it is done. You basically don't want to just take some small random temp job as the sigil's work... if you clear your head of it, you wil absolutely know when it has been done.

Hope this helps!



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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Fascinating stuff! I've read through every post of this thread and have gone through a few of the links provided by the members and has piked my interest even more.

I must ask though, being that you are supposed to "forget" them in the way that the conscious mind no longer knows of your wish or desire, does that mean you can do more than one at a time? That is after you finished the first one (and haven't destroyed it yet) Would a person then be able to go ahead and start another right after? I was wondering because I have various wishes, and being that I will only be in this house for a short while I might as well utilize all the solitude that I can get from here.



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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LMAO! I'm not laughing at you directly, but you aren't the only one who has linked this with Satanism...

Crowley was considered by christians to be satanic... most spiritualism is labeled satanic. Paganism is even misinterpreted as being satanism! The truth is that these practices have been around for even longer than monotheism.

Satanism has adapted these practices and simply relabeled them in defiance of christianity. If you want to be well versed, take a clue from the Athiests and Agnostics... read up on other 'religions'. What you will find is that most religions that are in argument with eachother are still based on the same root... humankind. Some religions were actually created as primitive governments. The idea is this: I can't tell you what to do, even by force, because you can kill me just as easily as I can kill you. BUT, if I can point out bad things that have happenned to you and claim they are repreccussions of your actions by a god, then I can control you by saying that I am a messenger, etc. Majick has been banished in religions by this method... "Hey, I am the only one who is allowed to use majick because I am a vessel of (insert god here)". These were known as the Gnostics... and this is part of what Yeshua was rebelling against.

I urge everyone to at least read the Satanic Bible. Even if you don't like it, you will be that much more knowlegable. Read other religious scripts. Diversify yourself... if nothing else, you will at least have a stronger argument for your own beliefs, rather than saying "I won't read it, I don't need to... I know I'm right!"



posted on May, 14 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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Edit: Reply to Leviatano


If you're able to maintain intent coherently, you should be able to layer and structure your device, creating multiple resonant sources that reach different ends. ?



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