White stain on blue dress versus red stain on foreign soil.

How can we impeach a president for lying under oath about having sex with a woman and not a president who lied to all the people of the united states and the world. We all know Bush gave false information and it has resulted in the deaths of 646 coalition soldiers as shown here www.cnn.com...
Look through and see the peoples faces who have died makes things a little different.
Here is a link to a web page that keeps track of all civilan and military casualties of both sides in iraq and afghanistan. www.unknownnews.net...
It shows there have been over 27,000 total people killed and 71,000 seriously injured. Is it really worth it?
What was worse what clinton did or this terrible death toll fighting the make belive al qaeda? Almost every one of the sept. 11 attackers were saudis in the first place and the saudis hate Bin Laden. Yet were still over there shaking their hands and sucking down their oil. Ok maybe its too late to impeach him but I'd like to see him questioned under oath before the sept 11. investigation is complete like ken star did clinton.


[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Hoppinmad1]

Originally posted by Hoppinmad1
How can we impeach a president for lying under oath about having sex with a woman and not a president who lied to all the people of the united states and the world. We all know Bush gave false information and it has resulted in the deaths of 646 coalition soldiers as shown here www.cnn.com...
Look through and see the peoples faces who have died makes things a little different.
Here is a link to a web page that keeps track of all civilan and military casualties of both sides in iraq and afghanistan. www.unknownnews.net...
It shows there have been over 27,000 total people killed and 71,000 seriously injured. Is it really worth it?
What was worse what clinton did or this terrible death toll fighting the make belive al qaeda? Almost every one of the sept. 11 attackers were saudis in the first place and the saudis hate Bin Laden. Yet were still over there shaking their hands and sucking down their oil. Ok maybe its too late to impeach him but I'd like to see him questioned under oath before the sept 11. investigation is complete like ken star did clinton.


[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Hoppinmad1]

Let me guess...your overlooking Clintons forays into Somalia, Bosnia, and Kosovo no?

This is not a pro Clinton post. This is about showing how he was impeached for something so simple, yet compare this to what Bush has done. All presidents are involved in dirt. How else do they become president? Bush led us to war under a false pretense. Clinton did not though. Bush should be impeached or put on trial. Now the american people will have to suffer through hard times because of the money spent in iraq. Look at the possiblity of raising social security to age 70! I'll pay my whole life and be dead before I can collect what kind of crap is that.


[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Hoppinmad1]

Originally posted by Hoppinmad1
Now the american people will have to suffer through hard times because of the money spent in iraq.

Yeah were just such a fragile country...one war and boom were in a depression.........

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Agent47]

Originally posted by Agent47

Originally posted by Hoppinmad1
Now the american people will have to suffer through hard times because of the money spent in iraq.

Yeah were just such a fragile country...one war and boom were in a depression.........

[Edited on 28-2-2004 by Agent47]

Yeah I feel we are on hard times. Some forget there is a difference between the national debt and the budget deficet. The national debt as of this moment is $7,079,926,804,261.36 as shown here. www.publicdebt.treas.gov...

The budget deficit which is how much more money the government will spend than it makes just this year. It is around 500 billion. Increasing the national debt pretty signifigantly. Add this to the fact that most states are serverly in debt and have huge budget deficits also and now you see that our monetary system is waiting too fail. I seem to remember a recent president who had the budget balanced and would have had the debt paid off in a few decades. So yes we are a fragile country and I know you were being sarcastic towards me but it is true.


[Edited on 1-3-2004 by Hoppinmad1]

Defiant dictator left in power and ignored versus defiant dictator behind bars...

al-Qaeda warning signs ignored for 8 years versus al-Qaeda now in disarray...

Some of the highest taxes in history for Americans versus tax cuts...

I don't know where you live, but here in the DC area (Virginia) we are living it up. There is great money and options to be had here.

As to other areas, there will always be places where times are hard. Times are hard, even in prosperity.

Look at the possiblity of raising social security to age 70! I'll pay my whole life and be dead before I can collect what kind of crap is that.

well lets think about this for a minute.

more people than ever before are on social security and more are using it all the time. that means more and more money is being paid out. this doesnt mean it all goes to the eldery, no sir! it goes to alcoholics, drug addicts disabled people AND goes to those who scam the government out of a check under whatever problem they are claiming.

another factor is people ARE living longer, they are having more years of better living wqhich means more years of productive living (as in the ability to hold a job).

take these two factors put them together and the problem compounds. so whats the answer? take MORE money from you? you'll bitch whine moan and groan over that (rightly so, i would too) or they'll find ways to ease the financial burden on you by doing unpopular things like raising the minimum age for retirees.

damned if they do, damnded if they dont.

this also doesnt take into account the severe amount of ineptness that is the government. it wastes so much money through being ineffecient thats its not funny, its staggering how much they waste for no reason and they waste a lot of it in SS on things that dont benefit SS recepients, thats another reason why.

Yeah I feel we are on hard times.

think again. compared to the stories my grandfather has told me...we are living like royalty.

we really have no idea what hard times truly are.

10% unemployment is a problem? not compared to almost half the country being out of work!

as much as we like to whine about the problems we have always remember things can ALWAYS get worse and things have been worse in the past.

you having a computer and internet access alone tells me YOU arent living in hard times. these are extravagances you dont need and as long as one can afford things they want but dont need you are not living on hard times. this is not to say thigns arent as good as they were a few years ago but this happens, up and down, ebb and flow. things also get better eventually, try to focus on that.

Why is it a continuous attack of disjointed ideas, half-truths and insinuations? And why do people continue to create new threads on the same old worn out empty crap?

Bullet form, for the simple-
The situation with Clinton wasn't with sex, as you anti-anti-Clintonites seem to think.

There was more than enough reason to attack Hussein, and enough reason to believe there was a nonconventional threat. I also notice you are wanting Bush's blood, but you do not demand the blood of the Dems who had the same info Bush did, and also voted for action.

I get so sick and ####### tired of the hipocricy and lack of logic.

Good I love this both sides say the other side is a bunch of liars and thieves.

You know what.......Your right

This is the BEST we have to hope for till we wake up as a country and at LEAST vote the big two out of office. All we hear from them is the same old song and dance which keeps those too weak minded to see fighting others too weak minded too see, while they steal everything that is not nailed down, take away our freedoms a piece at a time and bankrupt our childrens future.

There are other parties out there.

But hey, yall keep on fighting with each other while they laugh at you.


Their replacements might be liars and crooks too but at least we get to hear some NEW lies and that in it self would be refreshing.

[Edited on 29-2-2004 by Amuk]

Originally posted by kramtronix
Defiant dictator left in power and ignored versus defiant dictator behind bars...

al-Qaeda warning signs ignored for 8 years versus al-Qaeda now in disarray...

Some of the highest taxes in history for Americans versus tax cuts...

Defiant dicator is so ridiculus it makes me want to puke. There are people in power that put Hussein to shame in their deeds. The U.S. as you know were best buds with him during the oil embargo ot the 70's because he continued to still sell us oil when no one else did. We provided his weapons of mass destruction to beat back Iran and he attacked Kuwait because Kuwait was cross drilling into his country and stealing oil and he warned them against it. Sure he was evil and did bad things but does that justify killing of 27,000 people and the maiming of 72,000? As shown here on this board there is much differnce of opinion on just about every topic known to man and many here would probably come to blows if they met face to face and had discussions. Same thing with the way people run countrys. Our national debt and our people need to be taken care of first then lets worry about the world.
As for Al Qeada I belive in them about as much as the boogy man. This is just a generic word made up to put a face on an invisible enemy that is working as individuals against the u.s. If you belive in some super connected terror network you gotta be nuts they would be caught in an instant by our ever spying government and they aren't. We are at the mercy of the media and the media is at the mercy of the government to throw them scraps of information. Never mind if it has a little poison added in.

On the issue of taxes and social security. Cutting taxes and then spending billions is the same as telling your boss that you will start working for minimum wage only and then go buy a 50 million dollar masion in Hawaii. It makes no damn sense. If you want, go ahead and don't raise taxes just stop spending billions in other countries. Work over our budget and it would be fine and we could live without raising taxes.

On it being hypocritical slamming bush when democrats voted for the war also. Do you seriously belive that the senate and the house had the same information as bush did. All the intelligence communitys report to bush and bush puts the information out to them through his people. I seriously doubt anyone but him and a close few new all the details because even the different intelligence people don't share information readily.

Things country I feel at the moment is like a turd in a gold wrapper it looks good on the outside but is @$%@ on the inside. All of our government agencies from Federal to State to County to Local Are ALL IN DEBT TRILLIONS BILLIONS AND MILLIONS and it is only getting worse every day. Whos gonna pay? Get Bush out put Kerry in. He has stood against war most of his political carrer and is against the insane military spending and budgets.

Closing if Bush did nothing wrong them have him testify under oath and then lets investigate prewar intelligence. Give someone the power ken star had to suponea documents and lets find out the truth of why our soldiers are dying and we are swipping my great grandkids credit card daily.

[Edited on 1-3-2004 by Hoppinmad1]

The reason Clinton was impeached for getting "little willy" slicked up was because no one liked Clinton.

We liked JFK. He was banging Marylin, cruising Seattle for hookers in his presidential limo, ect, yet no one raised a word in comment.

When a prez cant get a BJ without impeachment hearings is simply a sign that president is heavily disliked. And yes, lets not forget about Bosnia, Kosovo, our last Foray into Haiti, Somolia, Rwanda, macedonia, and the fact Clinton left us stuck in the middle east instead of having us come home, and continued the bombing raids on iraq.

Yes, Bush should be impeached, if he gets elected a second time, maybe someone will do the deed.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The reason Clinton was impeached for getting "little willy" slicked up was because no one liked Clinton.

We liked JFK. He was banging Marylin, cruising Seattle for hookers in his presidential limo, ect, yet no one raised a word in comment.

When a prez cant get a BJ without impeachment hearings is simply a sign that president is heavily disliked. And yes, lets not forget about Bosnia, Kosovo, our last Foray into Haiti, Somolia, Rwanda, macedonia, and the fact Clinton left us stuck in the middle east instead of having us come home, and continued the bombing raids on iraq.

Yes, Bush should be impeached, if he gets elected a second time, maybe someone will do the deed.

Well your partly right. I feel Clinton was set up to get impeached and always will. Like you said the rich and conservitive didn't like him and wanted him out and didn't like him. As for Kennedy anyways, we could go on about that forever. Sure he got away with alot be he ended up with half his head blown off at end of things. So apperantly someone didn't like him too well either.

Why would I revive a 6 year old post out of whim when I have not been here in years? After 6 years of seeing our country fall apart, our rights slowly being filtered away, and seeing the increase in government monitoring of our citizens via the Homeland Security Department for ignorant reasons, I thought I would say I told you so.

Be sure to read the posts where I predicted a financial collapse of our country before it was even concieved. I was a Specialist in the U.S. Army when I wrote this in Camp Hovey South Korea a handful of miles from the DMZ. I got out a Seargent and thank god never went to war and died for the elite in their massive money grab scheme.

Score 1 for the little conspiracy theroist.

Bush lied?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Bergler, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003