Muslim student threatens to kill epileptic teacher's service dog

Originally posted by slackerwire
At what point will western nations finally figure out that allowing muslims into their nation will only lead to problems?

Hopefully, the next president will fix their little red wagons.

Will political correctness once again override common sense?

The Muslim population in Denmark, constituting a mere 4% of the total, refuses to integrate, consumes 40% of the welfare, and constitutes a majority of the country’s convicted rapists

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The student wanting to kill the teachers aid dog is in Minnesota, the same place where muslim cab drivers are allowed to refuse giving rides to people who have alcohol in their possession, or have animals with them.

Morality is the key issue here. Politics should enforce what people fail to understand. There is the responsibility to get the inebriated safely home. There are laws entitled to the disabled (for example).

The time for tough love has already passed. If muslims, or any other immigrant for that matter, is unwilling to assimilate into our culture, they, and their religion need to be shown the door out immediately.

These 'outsiders' forgot who help build this nation. It's time we wake up and protect what's left of the borders.

[edit on 2008-5-18 by pikypiky]

Originally posted by pikypiky

Morality is the key issue here. Politics should enforce what people fail to understand. There is the responsibility to get the inebriated safely home. There are laws entitled to the disabled (for example).

[edit on 2008-5-18 by pikypiky]

The only responsibility to get the inebriated home safely lies squarely on the shoulders of the intoxicated individual.

They know they are going to get drunk, they need to arrange for safe transportation beforehand.

reply to post by slackerwire

The time for tough love has already passed. If muslims, or any other immigrant for that matter, is unwilling to assimilate into our culture, they, and their religion need to be shown the door out immediately.

You in fact are an immigrant or descended from one. When can we expect you to leave? Our culture is one of religious freedom. Apparently you have not assimilated...

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The idea of religious freedom doesn't include forcing your BS religious beliefs on other people.

Feel free to practice whatever the hell you want, but your freedom to do so ends the moment you attempt to impose your beliefs on others.

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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
Well as long as you bash Islam your protected by Freedom of Speech, overstep that line and say two words about America or Republicans and it's clobbering time as far as they're concerned.

Hypocrisy is the basis of the Republican agenda it seems.

Clobbering you is also Freedom of Speech. Try to follow along.

Originally posted by slackerwire
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The idea of religious freedom doesn't include forcing your BS religious beliefs on other people.

Feel free to practice whatever the hell you want, but your freedom to do so ends the moment you attempt to impose your beliefs on others.

That is sound advice for any Christian or Muslim to take!

Originally posted by wytworm

Originally posted by slackerwire
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The idea of religious freedom doesn't include forcing your BS religious beliefs on other people.

Feel free to practice whatever the hell you want, but your freedom to do so ends the moment you attempt to impose your beliefs on others.

That is sound advice for any Christian or Muslim to take!

Absolutely. Religion has no place in politics.

Common sense says we should prohibit any more muslims from entering the U.S.

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Well thats the point. That isn't common sense at all, its very specific to you.

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by wytworm

 

The idea of religious freedom doesn't include forcing your BS religious beliefs on other people.

Feel free to practice whatever the hell you want, but your freedom to do so ends the moment you attempt to impose your beliefs on others.

Tell that to Pat Robertson and the whole host of Christian organizations trying to abolish abortion, destroy public education in favor of "faith-based" teaching, remove Science from American classrooms, keep gays from having basic Human Rights, and generally take our konlwedge base back to somewhere in the 1700s.

Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by wytworm

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by wytworm

 

The idea of religious freedom doesn't include forcing your BS religious beliefs on other people.

Feel free to practice whatever the hell you want, but your freedom to do so ends the moment you attempt to impose your beliefs on others.

That is sound advice for any Christian or Muslim to take!

Absolutely. Religion has no place in politics.

Common sense says we should prohibit any more muslims from entering the U.S.

Well if you're going to do that you'd better stop immigrants of Catholic and other Christian persuasions as well. And Jews, Wiccans, Scientologists, etc. etc. Or are Muslims the only ones who scare you? Lot of anti-Muslim bigotry on this site. Lot of it.

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I despise all religions, but the Christianity based religions can at least manage to function for the most part without problems in modern, civilized western nations.

The same cannot be said about practitioners of Islam.

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What would the downside be to prohibiting any further muslims from entering the U.S?

Originally posted by slackerwire
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What would the downside be to prohibiting any further muslims from entering the U.S?

It would signal the end of America and the start of Amerika.

Originally posted by slackerwire
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I despise all religions, but the Christianity based religions can at least manage to function for the most part without problems in modern, civilized western nations.

The same cannot be said about practitioners of Islam.

Iran? Dubai? Saudi Arabia? Lebanon, before Israel started bombing the crap out of it? Egypt? The New Iraq we're supposedly trying to create? They're not civilized at all? If the "Western" view of civilization is your ideal, I think your definition of a "civilized nation" is far too narrow.

Originally posted by slackerwire
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What would the downside be to prohibiting any further muslims from entering the U.S?

Aside from putting more holes in the Constitution (free excercise of religion), it would validate for the entire Muslim world what a handful of terrorists and their agitators have been saying: That we're a decadent bunch of hypocrites and thieves, bent on destroying their religion, wiping their people out, and taking their land and resources. Closing our society to Islamic peoples is exactly the kind of ammunition terrorist leaders need to galvanize their minions.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by wytworm

 

What would the downside be to prohibiting any further muslims from entering the U.S?

Aside from putting more holes in the Constitution (free excercise of religion), it would validate for the entire Muslim world what a handful of terrorists and their agitators have been saying: That we're a decadent bunch of hypocrites and thieves, bent on destroying their religion, wiping their people out, and taking their land and resources. Closing our society to Islamic peoples is exactly the kind of ammunition terrorist leaders need to galvanize their minions.

More importantly it puts a bullet in the head of America from within. The true victory for our enemies, foreign and domestic.

Originally posted by wytworm


It would signal the end of America and the start of Amerika.

How so? We as a nation have every right to dictate who may or may not enter our country.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk




Aside from putting more holes in the Constitution (free excercise of religion), it would validate for the entire Muslim world what a handful of terrorists and their agitators have been saying: That we're a decadent bunch of hypocrites and thieves, bent on destroying their religion, wiping their people out, and taking their land and resources. Closing our society to Islamic peoples is exactly the kind of ammunition terrorist leaders need to galvanize their minions.

There is no right for anyone to come here, it is a privilege, and as such, we reserve the right to set stipulations for that privilege.

No one is preventing them from worshipping whatever giant invisible man they want to, they just cant move here to do it.

I can't believe people are still taking this debate seriously...

Barring certain religious groups from immigrating to the US?
Deporting Muslims for "refusing to assimilate"?
Denying religious freedom?

Sigh...
Some of you would have greatly pleased Herr Goebbels and Adolf immensely with your views, it's a shame you weren't born earlier...

By bending over backwards to "protect ourselves from Terrorism" (I put that in inverted commas because really there is no threat out to justify eroding our liberties) the Western world ceases to uphold what makes it different from the so called "less civilized" nations.

By eroding liberties and freedom in the name of security you essentially lower yourself to the level of the Islamic Fundamentalists & Extremists who persecute minorities, treat women as second class citizens, deny other religions and kill others in the name of distorted ideals.
You may like to think your "more civilized" because at the end of the day you sleep in a 2 story house and drive an SUV but in reality your imposing a totalitarian regime no different from the kind Al-Qaeda wants to establish across the world.

You don't win by fighting fire with fire. This "tit-for-tat" business about punishing Muslims due to the actions of the minority of radicals out there is exactly the kind of unfounded discrimination the Nazis applied to the Jews. Claiming they were all untrustworthy, anarchistic leftists because of works of Jews like Marx or Frederich Engels.

When will you blood-lusting Hawks wake up?
Rearranging your principles and values to combat an enemy defeats the purpose of fighting for those values you seek to protect so vehemently in the first place.
You fight not only to protect your life, you fight to protect your principles. By ridding yourself of them in the name of security, what's the point of fighting?

You may win, but you've turned yourself into your enemy.

So fine support denying emigration to Muslims, support mass deportation, support friggin' Concentration Camps, just remember history has an uncanny habit of repeating itself and sooner or later America is going to find out it's most at war with itself.

How about get of this "You in fact are an immigrant or descended from one" meaningless rhetoric. It is evasive.

Prohibiting Muslims from entering this country is an idea who time is long past due. I have to wonder if the Powers that be know what they have done to this country by allowing it to become so culturally shattered. I believe that they do and that this is their plan, but I have been unable to understand what the advantage is for them to turn us into another third world country. It seems that if the masses have it good, they would have it good. If we are happy wi don't make problems for them.

I am appalled at the Muslim sympathizers/appologists here. They seem to not have the forsight to understand the power that these people will have as their numbers grow and their members become a part of the government. We have given them more than the first inch. They have stated that their goal is the whole 9 yards. Don't you think that we should take them seriously?

Nighthawk, Where in the Constitution does it say we must allow Muslims or any other Religious group into this Country?. Where does it say we cannot exclude them?

Exactly how does excluding them destroy their religion, wipe their people out or take their land and resources.? Why would excluding them from entering the US make them angry? Why does being from another county give them any right to immigrate here?

Godfather, do tell me exactly how allowing an unlimited number of Muslims into this country, giving them their Sharia laws in their enclaves, inhibiting our traditional Christian symbols and celebrations (so we don't offend them), is in anyway good for the US. How is life for the white Christian or white Athiests better for having Millions of Muslims making demands that we act or refrain from acting in a way that does not offend them.? How do we as a nation profit by this?

I await your considered reply.
Regards, OhZie