Fighter just air braked over oklahoma city headed east fast

Could it've been an F-22? Those things can do ridiculous maneuvers.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Ever see a Harrier, They do it all the time. Its called Viffing. They slam the ducted thrust full forward. It flips the plane 180 degrees and it goes the other direction.

Zindo

are you people so dillusional now that airplanes are no longer allowed to fly without you thinking that the government is up to some sort of conspiracy? i am stationed in fort sill oklahoma (about an hour west of oklahoma city) there are fighters in the sky on almost a daily basis and fort sill is not even an airforce base. it's A TRAINING EXCERCISE!!! there are two AFB within 100 miles of OKC Shepperd AFB in Wichita Falls, Texas. And Altus AFB in Altus, Oklahoma. you all need to stop filling your minds with stupid conspiracy thoughts. and yes that braking sound is quite common especially in the newer aircraft. the brakes are used for the aircraft to make tight maneuvers vertically and horizontally

I am agreeing with Sublime on this one. If the OP had said that it was a planet landing in his yard or an alien farting plutonium you all would be freaking out and calling it the end of the world and how to avoid it you will project yourself onto another plane.
The OP saw some odd activity and posted about it. I'll have to admit I have seen some rather odd air traffic where I live for about 6 months or so. When you live somewhere long enough you learn the norm and when something is outside the norm. We have been seeing a considerable amount of military helicopters flying overhead very low and very fast for the past six months or so. I live in a small town and that is not normal. The Guard base here told us that they were informed that the Army is doing a sweep of the area and that is all they know.
Ya can't deny alot of oddities here lately.

Last I checked, this site was comprised entirley of "what-if?" and other hypothetical or unproven topics/scenarios. I suppose that ATS is a very apt name. If everything discussed were proven, disclosed, mundane, they would call it "Therearenosecretsdummy.com or tansdy ".

It is a forum for the questioning mind basically.

Instead of bashing someone for wondering if the earth could be round or could a horseless carriage ever be possible, wander over to that website "everythingyoureallyshouldknowbutweretoobrainwashedtoask.com"

Nothing should be deemed off topic if there is sincerity in the question or concern.

Thanks for the topic and keep them coming. Let's see how far down this rabbit-hole goes.

reply to post by specialfarce


What does being delusional have to do with anything? I've grown up on or around bases my whole life; as such I am accustomed to the 'going ons' around it. But that doesn't mean I know what they are doing or if they are or are not responding to anything. The OP noticed something he thought was out of the ordinary and posted for input. I'm scratching my head like several others here wondering why all the evil forum trolls have come out.

AND I do not think the OP is out of place suggesting a link to a 'situation-x' conspiracy.

The other day leaving work (near fort drum) there was a huge army convoy headed south on the interstate. I've seen a few small ones, but not one that big before. It caught my attention. And I will openly admit that all kinds of ideas ran through my mind on the way home, and I was trying to inspect the vehicles as much as possible to see what was being moved. Was it a conspiracy, nope. Just an exercise I'm sure. But what if later I started hearing of more news, or read on hear about a whole bunch of stuff, other movements and such. Maybe it ALL would have added up to something, or at least give reason to be more alert for anything.

Anywho, if people want to flame people for posting, go flame the "I am the one ask me anything" threads.

Nothing but decent posts by alert members here..move along please

I'm not here to flame anybody...just to comment on this subject.

I'm an Air Force Veteran and flyer.

Just to clear things up, a fighter using their speed brake does not make a perceptible sound on the ground for you to hear. Also, a larger aircraft using thrust reversers or spoilers in the air doesn't make a perceptible sound on the ground either. These are just things that help the airplane slow down and increase drag so that they can lose sufficient altitude to make the proper approach to the active runway. We call it, "Get down, slow down, gear down."

One thing that may actually produce an audible sound is called "torching". Torching is when a fighter dumps fuel from its dump mast and then lights its afterburners. This ignites the fuel immediately behind the airplane and may allow you to hear the sound from the ground. It sounds like a loud pop.

Airplanes sometimes have to dump fuel if they are about to land heavier than they want to. They sometimes have to dump fuel in order to comply with their maximum landing weight as described in the Dash-1 of that particular airplane.

You may find some cool photos of the F-111 torching its fuel if you Google it. It looks pretty neat.

This post is not meant to insult anyone. I'm new here and don't want to screw things up on my first time at bat. Copy?

Interesting to note that a lot of the regular posters have stopped posting on this thread due to the fact of many mixed facts and posts.

Thanks for your post Loadmaster and believe me when I say it would be great to have you on this forum and that a lot of the posters in the aviation thread that are regulars (of which many of these aren't) can be much more civil.

a lot of what you posted is true LM but I must disagree about noise creation of planes with air brakes/spoilers and so on. Many times have I heard a change in the tone/range to a much more for the lack of better term whooshing sound when these are deployed. Now if the OP is saying this plane was at altitude when this was heard I would agree with you that a brake couldn't be heard. But as others have said if this was a scrambling of the fighter or high speed exercise then it is highly likely that it could be the sound of the burners igniting.

Just my 2 cents and really due to the muddled nature of the posts all I can say.

Originally posted by KarmaIncarnate
For reference, there is a large contingent of ANG F-16s in Tulsa and in Oklahoma City. The F-16s in Tulsa scramble regularly in the afternoon and fly training missions. There is a bombing range in Kansas (north of Tulsa and northeast of Tulsa) which is used heavily by both the ANG units in Oklahoma. What you saw and heard could easily have been an ANG plane being ferried to Tulsa, or on its way to a training mission. No conspiracy here.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that there's a HUGE air base in OKC which is extremely active and is known for sending planes all over the place. Hearing military aircraft over OKC is like hearing sirens in New York City. Nothing to see here, move on.

Wow what a newb the air base in OKC (Tinker) Is not for fighters.
Try trolling some where else please. I saw a fighter do something completely weird, I was alerting other ATS members to that fact incase it had to do with any excesises(sp?) at the current moment. Your comment is not useful here.

Thank you to the other members that saw what I was trying to get at. I think you also see that if I said the craft was chasing a UFO none of the trolling would have happend. Im in OKC A LOT, I have never seen a fighter over OKC. Im sure they have flown over but none have ever grabbed my attention. If you cannot grasp that simple point please dont post. You are only trolling.

As to another post was a it a power failure? I cannot say, anyones guess is just as factual as mine. I was standing next to a man that used to deal with planes all day long on a carrier that called me outside because it freaked him out. He went into explaining about how dangerous it was to use that brake at that speed. Seeing how I pointed that out in the begining you guys should believe me.

Now we have other people on this very thread stating they saw fighters over their cities for the first time on the same day. This does not mean they were chasing UFOs. This simply means be aware of what we are saying. If it has nothing to do with anything, so what? You were aware. My point is to alert other ATS members in the case of having any wiff of a situationX, up and coming so that ATS can protect its family members and be prepared.

I can only hope other ATS members will do the same and not fear the scrutiny. I have other information to release when I can that doesnt have to do with this that is classified pertaining to the CIA. I will do my best to help the ATS community regardless of the trolls and I can only hope the mods will handle them.

You do not make people feel welcome by shooting them down.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by Memysabu]

Originally posted by toepick
reply to post by specialfarce

 

What does being delusional have to do with anything? I've grown up on or around bases my whole life; as such I am accustomed to the 'going ons' around it. But that doesn't mean I know what they are doing or if they are or are not responding to anything. The OP noticed something he thought was out of the ordinary and posted for input. I'm scratching my head like several others here wondering why all the evil forum trolls have come out.

AND I do not think the OP is out of place suggesting a link to a 'situation-x' conspiracy.

The other day leaving work (near fort drum) there was a huge army convoy headed south on the interstate. I've seen a few small ones, but not one that big before. It caught my attention. And I will openly admit that all kinds of ideas ran through my mind on the way home, and I was trying to inspect the vehicles as much as possible to see what was being moved. Was it a conspiracy, nope. Just an exercise I'm sure. But what if later I started hearing of more news, or read on hear about a whole bunch of stuff, other movements and such. Maybe it ALL would have added up to something, or at least give reason to be more alert for anything.

Anywho, if people want to flame people for posting, go flame the "I am the one ask me anything" threads.

Nothing but decent posts by alert members here..move along please

I must thank you for your post, you saw what I was trying to get at. I am expecting situationX any day now. Two people down someone flat out said the guy stating he was (airforce) was wrong about air brakes making noise. I mean damn I didnt come on here saying I was an expert and all these "experts" pop up that are clearly NOT experts jesus already.

You saw a convoy and you were stunned temporarily. Ive done the same. I would alert people to such if I was expecting situationX. I am glad you see the conspiracy angle and that this has nothing to do with a planet farting plutonium lol.

This forum is about conspiracies. I feel most people here believe in situationX and know its coming. Thank you for renewing my spirit sir.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by Memysabu]

Originally posted by CyberSEAL

Originally posted by UrsusMajor
I have been lurking here for a very long time. This is my first post. It will also be my last. The OP described the events as best he could, and asked for help in finding an explanation. Many people tried to help, but a large portion of responders attacked him for a variety of reasons. I have often thought of posting a question on this board. This is exactly why I never will.

The interwebs can be an infriendly place sometimes. You will need a much thicker skin to post on any message board I'm afraid. So what if someone disagrees or even worse...attacks your position on something? Does it *really* hurt that bad?

You are a troll cyberseal, hows that feel?

Originally posted by UrsusMajor
reply to post by HatTrick

 

I have been lurking here for a very long time. This is my first post. It will also be my last. The OP described the events as best he could, and asked for help in finding an explanation. Many people tried to help, but a large portion of responders attacked him for a variety of reasons. I have often thought of posting a question on this board. This is exactly why I never will. Why bother? If I am absolutely sure of something, I don't need to post and ask about it. If I am unsure about something, I will find a lot less caustic place then this to ask the question.

This place has become a cespool of inflated egos. It is too much to wade through anymore, and every thread is dragged down by this "middle-school clique" attitude.

This site used to be a very interesting visit, unfortunately, it has become an "old-boys-club" of arrogant, rude, know-it-alls, who feel the need to "police" the website.

Enjoy your one-upmanship, and your constant games of my dick is bigger then yours. I am out of here.

C'est le vie.

Bear

Please by all means you are always welcome to post questions on my threads. I am feeling your pain. If someone comes here not lying trying to give factual information they are scrutinized. I would however encourage you to speak up in the future. If we are going to survive situationX we need more like minded individuals such as yourself to talk.

If I can help in any way such as beating off the trolls please let me know.
Its a shame good honest people cant post the truth on these forums. I thought this forum was about getting to the truth.

[edit on 14-5-2008 by Memysabu]

Originally posted by Coshy

Originally posted by Two Worlds
Originally posted by Memysabu

By the way he was chasing an invisible UFO

Really ?

How do you know this ?

TW

Because he is trolling?

Just a guess though.

Perfect example of 2 people (coshy and two worlds) commenting on a thread when they havent even bothered to read the previous posts. If you HAD bothered to read, the invisible UFO was a joke

Okies. Lets cool down.

The key here is substance. Its what the original post needed because - and I don't want to offend anyone here at all - there simply wasn't that much to it initially.

Its something we can all learn from, and learning is a good thing. Theres no need for anyone to go off the deep end if you think about it

So we've established the OP thought there was something unusual going on when the fighter did what it did - as its panned out theres nothing we know of thats happened, so we can all chill out and enjoy the coming summer

As I like to say, "be a duck!!" lol

OP, I look forward to reading whatever information you might have about "situationX" or the CIA..I take it they are related??

LoadMaster, Welcome and I'm glad you posted!! I'm pretty new here as well, although I have been reading ATS for years..I finally decided to take the plunge and start posting.

While this might not be a 'smoking gun' thread...I like threads like this because it does give people a chance to post and I think some interesting discussions have ensued from this. And if it has pulled in some new people to start posting, thats awesome!!

To try and pull this back into the OT lane a little..have we tried to determine what kind of plane it was? Was it single or twin engine..small or medium sized..was the speed break on top or behind? I'm sure with a little information we could narrow it down to at least what it might have been.

The F-16's out of KSYR are always flying around doing stuff...but I remember on the day of 911, it was sooo eerie because at first the skies were completely quiet..then the only thing flying around was an F-16..I remember thinking...you know those aren't dummy missiles on that thing today.

(edited for some goofy spelling changes)

[edit on 5/14/2008 by toepick]

@ UrsusMajor: that would be "than" as opposed to "then".

So, every time a fighter flies, it's being scrambled? That is absolutely ludicrous.

the point i am trying to make is that, you guys see normal things and you assume that it must be a conspiracy or aliens flying in the sky. fighters are scrambled 24/7 that's how they keep you safe. i am not trying to belittle anyones post here. i am bringing truth and reality to the matter. as a soldier on fort sill. alot of crazy things go on here. we here artillery impacting all day. it sounds like we're in the center of baghdad sometimes. and some days i here louder then normal explosions. it's nothing special. you should all relax and look into reality. google airforce fighter manuevers and training ops. you will be surprised at how much goes on.

Hmm..I'm pretty sure on 911 the F-16 I saw was 'scrambled'

but yeah..your right, could have just been some routine maneuvers






(yes..I took a statement and made a reply about as out-of-context as most of the replies have been in this thread)


seriously tho..about 12 Blackhawks (probably from ft drum) flew over my house today at fairly high altitude 8 to 10k ft maybe)...I think they are spying on me because I have posted on ATS

I'm sorry...I'll stop now

toepick, the F-16 you saw on 911 was scrambled - to escort the private jet carrying the bin laden family out of the country!

My dog is whining as I read this thread.... Is that normal?