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Topic started on 12-5-2008 @ 07:34 AM by mikesingh
Benazir Bhutto, the then Prime Minister of Pakistan, had consistently denied any role of the Pakistani government in Korea’s nuclear ambitions. But
now, it has come to light that a CD containing vital nuclear data was carried by her personally to be handed over to her Korean counterpart as part of
a secret deal!
ATS Premium article by member MikeSingh
May 12th, 2008
Pakistan’s Nuclear Facilities
Map courtesy: Carnegie Endowment For International Peace
Pakistan’s Strategic Imperative
Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since the last 60 years and four wars have been fought by Pakistan in its unsuccessful bid to wrest it from India by force. Conventionally, they could never hope to match the Indian war machine. The biggest force leveler would be a viable nuclear deterrent against conventional force asymmetry. With a nuclear deterrent, an incursion into Kashmir would prevent an all out assault by India’s huge military juggernaut against Pakistan which lacked strategic depth.
Thus commenced a covert nuclear program and by the early 1990s Pakistan had acquired the capability to build nuclear weapons using highly enriched uranium cores. But it lacked the delivery systems. American made F-16s were not a viable option and missiles armed with nuclear warheads were a system of choice as they are not as vulnerable to air defense systems as are aircraft, and are also more cost effective.
But Pakistan did not possess the wherewithal to build a delivery system consisting of long range missiles which it was desperate to acquire, whatever the cost.
Pakistan’s Quest For Missile Delivery Systems
Since the Chinese were reluctant to provide Pakistan with the ‘M’ series of longer range missiles due to American pressure, Pakistan turned to North Korea to view their Nodong prototype. In 1995, the missile deal was consummated and in April 1998, Pakistan test fired the Nodong which was re-christened as Ghauri.
And there it rested. Nawaz Sharif’s word was taken as confirmation that there was no such trade going on. Or did it?
Was Washington Privy to The Pak-N Korea Nuclear Deal?
Why did the U.S follow a policy of appeasement where Pakistan was concerned? The answer is simple: Pakistan is an ally in the so called war against terror. With its contiguous borders with Afghanistan, Al Qaeda and the Taliban could use this ‘no man’s land’ as launch pads against NATO Forces under the U.S, and thus it was imperative that nothing short of a policy of appeasement could assure the advancement of American strategy in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq, by keeping the command and control set up of the militants in disarray.
For example, In late July last year, the Institute for Science and International Security issued a report revealing that Pakistan was building a heavy-water reactor capable of producing enough plutonium for 40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year. The Surprising response from Frederick Jones, a spokesman for the National Security Council, was astonishingly mild: “The reactor is expected to be substantially smaller and less capable than reported.”!
Pakistan's plutonium production reactor at Khushab.
Image Source: DigitalGlobe
Double standards and double speak is nothing new and are the hallmarks of the present dispensation in Washington. No one batted an eye lid when on September 6th last, Pakistan’s military dictatorship announced a peace treaty with militants in North Waziristan, al-Qaeda’s center of gravity. Vice President Cheney’s response was unabashed praise of President Pervez Musharraf as “a man who has demonstrated great courage under very difficult political circumstances and has been a great ally for the United States.”
Concerns about Pakistan’s nuclear links with North Korea go back to 1999 when proliferation analysts began to speculate about North Korea’s likely gains from the Nodong ballistic missile sales to Pakistan. Senior U.S. officials who were briefed on Pakistan’s nuclear cooperation with North Korea raised the issue at the highest levels of the Pakistani government. In Jun 2001, U.S. deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage drew attention to the role of retired Pakistani nuclear scientists in North Korea’s nuclear program. However, his public warnings weren’t paid heed to.
Then came the bomb shell in the form of a U.S. government source leak to the New York Times in Oct 2002 that Pakistan was the likely source of North Korea’s gas centrifuge uranium enrichment program.
This was confirmed tacitly by the then Secretary of State, Collin Powell, when replying to a question whether such cooperation had taken place in the past said, “ We didn’t talk about the past and I don’t want to get into who might have done what, when and at what point in history.”
The conspiracy: The Smoking Gun
U.S. intelligence officials claim that Pakistan was a key supplier of uranium enrichment technology to North Korea, and suggested that Pakistan had exchanged centrifuge enrichment technology for North Korean help in developing long range missiles, by transfer of vital technology and assembling missiles from semi knocked down kits surreptitiously transported from Korea, ironically in American made C-130 Hercules transport aircraft!
Benazir Bhutto, the then Prime Minister, had consistently denied any role of the Pakistani government in Korea’s nuclear ambitions. But now, it has come to light that a CD containing vital nuclear data was carried by her personally to be handed over to her Korean counterpart as part of a secret deal!
Epilogue
Pakistani long range nuclear-capable ballistic missile,
Shaheen II, or Hatf VI, (Nodong) missile being fired
during a test at an undisclosed location in Pakistan.
Can one put the genie back in the bottle? By tacitly allowing the interchange to take place to keep Pakistan amused in its so called war against terror, the U.S has helped make the world more insecure than it has ever been. So much for American policy of protecting its vital interests. It has done just the opposite.
Refs:
www.hindu.com...
www.inthesetimes.com...
cns.miis.edu...
suzieqq.wordpress.com...
www.spacewar.com...
CRS Report for Congress
[edit on 12-5-2008 by mikesingh]
As she was due to visit North Korea at the end of 1993, she was asked and readily agreed to carry critical nuclear data on her person and hand it over on arrival in Pyongyang…..The gist of what she told me was that before leaving Islamabad she shopped for an overcoat with the deepest possible pockets into which she transferred CDs containing the scientific data about uranium which the North Korean wanted.
The Great Nuclear Conspiracy: Bhutto Carried Nuke Secrets On CDs To North Korea.
ATS Premium article by member MikeSingh
May 12th, 2008
Pakistan’s Nuclear Facilities
Map courtesy: Carnegie Endowment For International Peace
Pakistan’s Strategic Imperative
Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since the last 60 years and four wars have been fought by Pakistan in its unsuccessful bid to wrest it from India by force. Conventionally, they could never hope to match the Indian war machine. The biggest force leveler would be a viable nuclear deterrent against conventional force asymmetry. With a nuclear deterrent, an incursion into Kashmir would prevent an all out assault by India’s huge military juggernaut against Pakistan which lacked strategic depth.
Thus commenced a covert nuclear program and by the early 1990s Pakistan had acquired the capability to build nuclear weapons using highly enriched uranium cores. But it lacked the delivery systems. American made F-16s were not a viable option and missiles armed with nuclear warheads were a system of choice as they are not as vulnerable to air defense systems as are aircraft, and are also more cost effective.
But Pakistan did not possess the wherewithal to build a delivery system consisting of long range missiles which it was desperate to acquire, whatever the cost.
Pakistan’s Quest For Missile Delivery Systems
Since the Chinese were reluctant to provide Pakistan with the ‘M’ series of longer range missiles due to American pressure, Pakistan turned to North Korea to view their Nodong prototype. In 1995, the missile deal was consummated and in April 1998, Pakistan test fired the Nodong which was re-christened as Ghauri.
Evidence for the missile-for-uranium enrichment technology trade probably emerged sometime in 1999. But when U.S. officials raised the subject with the Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, he denied any knowledge of it.
And there it rested. Nawaz Sharif’s word was taken as confirmation that there was no such trade going on. Or did it?
Was Washington Privy to The Pak-N Korea Nuclear Deal?
Why did the U.S follow a policy of appeasement where Pakistan was concerned? The answer is simple: Pakistan is an ally in the so called war against terror. With its contiguous borders with Afghanistan, Al Qaeda and the Taliban could use this ‘no man’s land’ as launch pads against NATO Forces under the U.S, and thus it was imperative that nothing short of a policy of appeasement could assure the advancement of American strategy in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq, by keeping the command and control set up of the militants in disarray.
For example, In late July last year, the Institute for Science and International Security issued a report revealing that Pakistan was building a heavy-water reactor capable of producing enough plutonium for 40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year. The Surprising response from Frederick Jones, a spokesman for the National Security Council, was astonishingly mild: “The reactor is expected to be substantially smaller and less capable than reported.”!
Pakistan's plutonium production reactor at Khushab.
Image Source: DigitalGlobe
Double standards and double speak is nothing new and are the hallmarks of the present dispensation in Washington. No one batted an eye lid when on September 6th last, Pakistan’s military dictatorship announced a peace treaty with militants in North Waziristan, al-Qaeda’s center of gravity. Vice President Cheney’s response was unabashed praise of President Pervez Musharraf as “a man who has demonstrated great courage under very difficult political circumstances and has been a great ally for the United States.”
Concerns about Pakistan’s nuclear links with North Korea go back to 1999 when proliferation analysts began to speculate about North Korea’s likely gains from the Nodong ballistic missile sales to Pakistan. Senior U.S. officials who were briefed on Pakistan’s nuclear cooperation with North Korea raised the issue at the highest levels of the Pakistani government. In Jun 2001, U.S. deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage drew attention to the role of retired Pakistani nuclear scientists in North Korea’s nuclear program. However, his public warnings weren’t paid heed to.
Then came the bomb shell in the form of a U.S. government source leak to the New York Times in Oct 2002 that Pakistan was the likely source of North Korea’s gas centrifuge uranium enrichment program.
The nuclear-for-missile barter trade between Islamabad and Pyongyang probably began in 1997 and continued at least until Jul 2002. During this period, Pakistan’s cooperation with North Korea involved the exchange of nuclear personnel, the sharing of technical knowledge, design information on gas centrifuges, machinery and possibly nuclear material.
This was confirmed tacitly by the then Secretary of State, Collin Powell, when replying to a question whether such cooperation had taken place in the past said, “ We didn’t talk about the past and I don’t want to get into who might have done what, when and at what point in history.”
The conspiracy: The Smoking Gun
U.S. intelligence officials claim that Pakistan was a key supplier of uranium enrichment technology to North Korea, and suggested that Pakistan had exchanged centrifuge enrichment technology for North Korean help in developing long range missiles, by transfer of vital technology and assembling missiles from semi knocked down kits surreptitiously transported from Korea, ironically in American made C-130 Hercules transport aircraft!
U.S. official statements leave little doubt that cooperation occurred, but there
are significant details missing on the scope of cooperation and the role of Pakistan’s
government. Further, both North Korea and Pakistan have denied that nuclear
technology was provided to North Korea.
Benazir Bhutto, the then Prime Minister, had consistently denied any role of the Pakistani government in Korea’s nuclear ambitions. But now, it has come to light that a CD containing vital nuclear data was carried by her personally to be handed over to her Korean counterpart as part of a secret deal!
Benazir Bhutto once played an active role in furthering Pakistan’s clandestine nuclear programme by personally taking CDs to and from North Korea on an official trip as Prime Minister, reveals a book by her Oxford college mate and journalist Shyam Bhatia who subsequently kept in regular touch with her.
It was in the 90’s that North Korea offered to provide long range missiles to Pakistan to offset the imbalance with India’s integrated guided missile development program then led by A. P. J. Abdul Kalam.
By 1993, Pakistan was under the spotlight as never before [on bartering enrichment technology for missiles], with Russia, India and western secret services monitoring every nuance of Pakistan’s military research.
As she was due to visit North Korea at the end of 1993, she was asked and readily agreed to carry critical nuclear data on her person and hand it over on arrival in Pyongyang…..The gist of what she told me was that before leaving Islamabad she shopped for an overcoat with the deepest possible pockets into which she transferred CDs containing the scientific data about uranium which the North Korean wanted.
Pakistani contacts later explained that Benazir returned with more than just CDs. The delighted North Koreans who had already sold missile technology to Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen insisted she carry back the disassembled parts of an entire missile so that Pakistani scientists could study it part by part.
Epilogue
Pakistan Gets A New Nuke Missile To Use On India!
The Associated Press.
April 2008.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: Pakistan said that a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead anywhere in India is ready for wartime use after troops launched it on Monday during a field exercise. Scientists and engineers had prepared the Hatf VI missile, also known as Shaheen II, for the exercise with a test-firing on Saturday.
Monday’s launch “validated the operational readiness of a strategic missile group equipped with the Shaheen II missile,” the Pakistani military said in a statement.
Pakistani long range nuclear-capable ballistic missile,
Shaheen II, or Hatf VI, (Nodong) missile being fired
during a test at an undisclosed location in Pakistan.
North Korea Could Make Nuclear Warhead For Missile Delivery
The North Korean nuclear
tipped medium-range Nodong
missile, seen here dressed in
Pakistani Ghauri
missile colors.
North Korea is capable of arming its medium-range Nodong missile with a nuclear warhead, two US experts said. The report by the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) also estimates that the communist state has separated enough plutonium to build about five to 12 nuclear weapons. It is also suspected to have obtained warhead designs from Pakistan's rogue nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.
Should war break out, "North Korea would be expected to use its nuclear weapons against military targets and population centres in South Korea or Japan."
Can one put the genie back in the bottle? By tacitly allowing the interchange to take place to keep Pakistan amused in its so called war against terror, the U.S has helped make the world more insecure than it has ever been. So much for American policy of protecting its vital interests. It has done just the opposite.
Refs:
www.hindu.com...
www.inthesetimes.com...
cns.miis.edu...
suzieqq.wordpress.com...
www.spacewar.com...
CRS Report for Congress
[edit on 12-5-2008 by mikesingh]
reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:20 PM by Anti-Tyrant
reply to post by Beefcake
I agree with you on this one beefcake, it would seem that Bhutto has been used the same way that a crime boss would use a carrier to deliver an important message concerning territorial disputes to his nearest rival.
Almost as if she was lead into this and then she had to be put down in case she talked...
I agree with you on this one beefcake, it would seem that Bhutto has been used the same way that a crime boss would use a carrier to deliver an important message concerning territorial disputes to his nearest rival.
Almost as if she was lead into this and then she had to be put down in case she talked...
reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 08:09 PM by mosseiran
I guess you guys have not read the articles by Chris Gourlay in The Sunday Times of London.
A good place to read about it is on The Muckraker Report in an article that sums Chris Gourlays work and with reference to the articles that deal with the issue.
The location on The Muckraker Report is the following
muckrakerreport.com...
The article is Titled "Sibel Edmonds - A Snap Shot that Speaks Volumes"
Best,
Maher Osseiran
www.mydemocracy.net
(Domain name correction)
[edit on 8-1-2008 by SkepticOverlord]
A good place to read about it is on The Muckraker Report in an article that sums Chris Gourlays work and with reference to the articles that deal with the issue.
The location on The Muckraker Report is the following
muckrakerreport.com...
The article is Titled "Sibel Edmonds - A Snap Shot that Speaks Volumes"
Best,
Maher Osseiran
www.mydemocracy.net
(Domain name correction)
[edit on 8-1-2008 by SkepticOverlord]
reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 12:14 AM by redeyeblue
reply to post by mikesingh
The American government has a long history of turning a blind eye to Pakistan's Nuclear ambitions, the man behind their Nuclear plants was Abdul Alqadeer Khan and he could have been stopped as early as 1978 when he worked for FDO in Holland.
The American government knew all about Khan and chose to ignore the threat, they were fighting a proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan at the time and needed the support of Pakistan in this fight. Even though they knew of Pakistan's ambitions of a nuclear weapon,they continued to supply arms to Pakistan including F16 fighters which could be adopted to carry a nuclear weapon.
Congress was lied to many times about the progress of Pakistan's potential threat, now today we are looking at these failed warnings and cover ups as a threat to world peace.
The American military and industrial complex is like a runaway train that needs to be derailed, only the people of America have the tools to derail this threat but first they need to awake to the threat from within.
[edit on 13-5-2008 by redeyeblue]
The American government has a long history of turning a blind eye to Pakistan's Nuclear ambitions, the man behind their Nuclear plants was Abdul Alqadeer Khan and he could have been stopped as early as 1978 when he worked for FDO in Holland.
The American government knew all about Khan and chose to ignore the threat, they were fighting a proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan at the time and needed the support of Pakistan in this fight. Even though they knew of Pakistan's ambitions of a nuclear weapon,they continued to supply arms to Pakistan including F16 fighters which could be adopted to carry a nuclear weapon.
Congress was lied to many times about the progress of Pakistan's potential threat, now today we are looking at these failed warnings and cover ups as a threat to world peace.
The American military and industrial complex is like a runaway train that needs to be derailed, only the people of America have the tools to derail this threat but first they need to awake to the threat from within.
[edit on 13-5-2008 by redeyeblue]
reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 03:26 AM by mikesingh
The US has promised to curb air strikes by drones against suspected militants in Pakistan, as part of a joint counter-terrorism strategy agreed with the new civilian government in Islamabad, the Guardian has learned. That strategy will be supported by an aid package potentially worth more than $7bn (£3.55bn), which is due to go before Congress for approval in the next few months.
Another $7 billion!! That makes a total of $17 billion!! Almost $5 billion more than one of the worlds largest contracts for the purchase of 120 top-of-the-line fighter jets by India! Wow! All for fighting a rag tag circus of militants? Unbelievable!
According to Pakistan’s information minister, Sherry Rehman:
Washington's previous emphasis on ties to Musharraf and the Pakistani military "hasn't provided the results that were supposed to happen on the ground".
Why? Since 2001, the US has pumped in aid worth more than $10 billion to Pakistan for the so called war against terror (sic). What exactly for? Take a look at this:
Three days before Ms Bhutto was assassinated, the New York Times revealed that officials in the US military and the Bush administration were admitting that there had been few checks and controls on Coalition Support Funds to Pakistan. Money which should have gone to fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda was found to have been spent by Pakistan on bolstering its defenses against India - a clear misappropriation of funds. Reimbursement claims from the Pakistani military for the expenses incurred in fighting the War on Terror appear to have been highly exaggerated.
More shockers here…
And what’s more, according to reliable reports, millions of dollars have been pocketed by the Pakistani Army generals! So much for the war against terror! So you think this war will ever stop? One would be naive to think so because there is too much at stake – the money to fund terrorist activities through Pakistan’s ISI will stop and the generals’ gravy train which is merrily chugging along with American aid would come to an abrupt halt! And that doesn’t make too much sense, does it?
So this sham of a war against ‘terror’ is too lucrative an enterprise for the Pakistani elite. As long as American money pours in, this charade will continue – forever!
And hey, if you’re an honest tax paying American, now you know where your hard earned dollars are going – to fund terrorists and fattening the pockets of the Pakistani Generals who are laughing all the way to the bank!
Have a nice day!
Cheers!
www.guardian.co.uk...
[edit on 13-5-2008 by mikesingh]
reply posted on 13-5-2008 @ 09:49 AM by mikesingh
Originally posted by LOYAL
Even though US Administration is a bunch of idiots yet i don't think they are too negligent to ignore where the money is going to ...
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
www.cbsnews.com...
Trillions of dollars unaccounted for! Where is the money? Where are the checks and balances? And this is happening in America. If the powers that be cannot account for the money in their own country, do you expect they can in some other country? How effective would they be in tracking the billions doled out to Pakistan, in Pakistan?
[edit on 13-5-2008 by mikesingh]
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