What happened to the sanctity of marriage?, page 1
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Topic started on 12-5-2008 @ 12:18 AM by Karlhungis
A new study shows that over 1/3 of married women in America have cheated on their husbands since having children. Almost half of the married women have thought about having an affair and an equal number suspect that their husbands are having one.

www.nypost.com...

With 1/3 of married couples not being faithful and 1/2 being suspicious of infidelity, I have to wonder what happened? Personally, I think the media is largely responsible. Networks like Fox celebrate the ratings they get by running shows that highlight infidelity (temptation island, the new show with the lie detector where people will throw away a marriage for the shot at winning 500k...etc). The "instant gratification" that people seek in other areas of life now roll into marriage as well. If things aren't working out at home, they find someone else. Sanctity of marriage be damned.

I am married and I PRAY that my wife is not one of these statistics. Who knows though, the odds are not really very good. Personally, loyalty and trust are two of the most important things in life. It is very depressing to see that people are so selfish and would rather lie and cheat on their spouses than work out the problem or end the marriage before moving on.


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:32 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by Karlhungis



1/3 of women cheated on their husbands?

Must have been with a gay guy since we all know that it's gays that are ruining the sanctity of marriage...


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:40 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Sublime620



Aye,

and shows like Will and Grace

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To the OP,

What's the current statistics of men cheating on women?



reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:03 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by ANOK



Being non-religious I have to disagree.

Monogamy is cleaner. Being faithful requires patience and discipline. Nothing wrong with that.

It would also be extremely hard on children.


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:12 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



You know I thought about that as I posted it. What makes it hard on children is that everyone else has a father and mother. That makes them feel like outcasts.

If it wasn't the "norm" to be monogamous, it probably wouldn't be hard on them at all.

*Edited to clarify what I was saying because it didn't make sense after re-reading.



[edit on 12-5-2008 by Sublime620]


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:20 AM by sc2099
I'm going to say something and most of you are probably not going to like it. I think that the biggest threat to the sanctity of marriage is pornography. I say this for several reasons.

1) Someone mentioned earlier the modern obsession with instant gratification...I think porn just feeds on this problem. For some porn can become a full blown addiction and the results aren't just that men aren't attracted to their wives anymore, but that they don't even bother to interact with them in other ways, like any other type of addict might.

2) Porn has seriously, seriously skewed our culture's view of what a woman is supposed to be. I'm not saying all men, but I am saying that I think men in the 18-30 age range who grew up with the internet and any kind of porn right at their fingertips, along with older men who have made up for lost time (lol) think that deep down inside all women are some kind of porn kitten. Maybe not consciously, but definitely unconsciously they think that women want to be sprayed in the face or some other thing that may not feel good but for some reason looks good on video. And this makes them fail not only to please their wives intimately, but also to connect with them in other intimate, nonsexual ways.

3) Men who deal with pornography on a regular basis have also forgotten what a woman is supposed to look like. (Most) Women who are not in the adult industry do not look like liposucked, collagen injected, fake boobed hookers. Most women have some dimples, or some wrinkles, or some freckles, or some other thing that according to the advertising/media bombardment is simply unacceptable. But if a man is becoming aroused on an increasingly frequent basis only by women who have more bodywork done than a low rider, then of course they aren't going to waste their time trying to cultivate a meaningful relationship with a normal looking woman.

4) Porn culture isn't just relegated to dirty movies and magazines. It's all over tv, movies, print, and advertisements in every medium. If a man is titilated by the (I'll say it nicely) Vampish sort of woman, and what man is not?, all he has to do is turn on cable, a recent hollywood movie, or open any sort of "men's" magazine with cars or fitness or whatever and he can see all the eye makeup and skin that the law will allow. And let's not leave out music videos, i.e. stripper training videos.

5)A long time ago in my grandparents' generation, before porn was available at the click of a mouse, and before it was even available in seedy theatres, people had a lot fewer sexual partners. No, not everyone was a virgin when they got married like some would have us believe. But, lots of people were, and the ones that weren't didn't go a-whoring with 30, 40, 50+ partners before they did tie the knot. And here's my biggest point: before porn was so readily available, there wasn't this crazy expectation for sex to be a mind blowing experience every time. Men didn't expect their wives to want to do all the things they've seen done in videos. There wasn't a constant comparison of your wife to Jenna Jameson in your mind. I think because of this comparison and expectation, men are always going to think that there is someone hotter who can rock their world better. A good friend of mine has told me he wishes he'd never seen a porn because no woman could ever live up to the height of the bar set in his mind by pornography, and I commend his honesty and introspection.

I think that this issue has to be examined on a macro level. I don't think that pornography is wrong per se, but it does have an effect on and in my opinion does cause problems in society. It may not ruin every marriage, but if it ruins enough then society suffers, much in the way that I don't disagree with an individual's right to choose to do drugs, but society is made up of individuals, and their drug use does have an effect on society.

I'm not laying every failed marriage at the foot of the husbands. I'm not some kind of feminazi who wants to blame men for all the problems. I think women are effected as well by a need for instant gratification and other marital issues. I'm only presenting one of the main reasons I think that over half of marriages fail and the other half seem to have lots of problems.

[edit on 12-5-2008 by sc2099]


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:27 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by ANOK



Fair enough. Seems like you have a valid point.



reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:30 AM by ANOK
reply to post by sc2099



That probably plays a part but I don't think it's down to just one thing.

I think a lot of people grow up thinking the normal thing to do is get married have kids, especially women. Men grow up homophobic and fall to peer pressure and do again what is considered 'normal' they get married.

But the pressure now is so great to be 'normal' people are marrying for the sake of it.

My sister married her first boyfriend, divorced 3 yrs later. Married her second boyfriend, divorced 2 yrs later. She's now married to her third boyfriend. No offense to her, but there's a pattern there that seems to me shows that marriage is more important than who she's marrying. I'd guess my sister is not unique?...


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:32 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by ANOK



Well The Mormons most definitely share your sisters pattern Anok!...

**edited to add: I mean the valuing marriage itself, and not who you are marrying aspect... not the re-marriage part

[edit on 013131p://12u07 by Lucid Lunacy]


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:35 AM by sc2099
reply to post by ANOK



What I would say to that is that I don't think people think it's normal to STAY married. It's normal to get married and have the kids, but to actually put the effort in to make it work? That stopped being normal way back when.

A lot of people probably do get married just because they think it's the thing to do. But I also think that a lot of people today think it's normal to not even bother. They just have a bunch of kids and by the time they even want to get married no one suitable wants them because they already have a lot of bastard offspring.


reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 01:39 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by sc2099



You know, marriage counselors often suggests pornography for married couples

Honestly, watching porn alone might be a problem?.. but watching porn together, in a healthy relationship, has only served to make my relationships more fun and intimate. If I ever get married... we will watch porn together, no doubt.

I don't see porn as a big culprit, and certainly not the biggest culprit...

First and foremost, as has already been mentioned, I feel the biggest reason is simply that it is our biological drive.
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