Originally posted by rikriley
If such a New Free Country existed would you move and leave The United States Of America for that country if you could start all over in a country with no income tax and all the rights, freedoms suspended or taken away in the U.S. were given back to you in that new country?

You also would be given 100 acres of free land to help build and settle the country and the new country would have a similar Constitution as the U.S.

If such as place called (Freedom) existed and you were willing to relocate what would be your personal reason for leaving the U.S. and if not why not? Rik Riley

[edit on 11-5-2008 by rikriley]

What rights have you lost?

Besides the fact we have lost the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to worship freely ( as Christians) and the right to property ownership,
what right are we losing?

Already planning on it this place that you speak of to me is Amsterdam. Who doesnt want more rights and freedoms? The land thing isnt true I would imagine upon moving there, but free from some "crimes" as they call it in the old country.

The idea is solid, but putting it into practice is something else.

You'd first have to become stateless, denounce your original citizenship.
Once you get to this new free country, obtaining land should be the last thing on anyones mind.

You've mostly set out with that which made everything else corrupt, and that is the idea of personal wealth and property ownership.

If you want a free country, then everyone should be able to work the land freely. Possible profit gains from minerals and the like should not be a concept.

Any profit for the country should come from selling minerals/products to outside countries, but then you're relying on a monetary system to sustain everything.

Get over the money concept and focus on another method and you wont have to worry about wealth.
Those who can work help all the others who can work. Those who can't work, teach instead or look after the very old.

In time, you will all have done your bit for the greater good. You wil all have become multi skilled and have a level of education that would outstrip every other country.

In the UK, I've seen many jobs available that require experience. But how can you get the experience if you've never had the chance to learn that job before.
With a 'share all' system, you'll all have the experience and competition to get a good job for financial gain will become history. Of course there sill be those who become specialists in certain areas, but it is these specialists who will eventually become teachers as they grow too old to work.

And why would you want 100 acres? It will take you ages to get to the nearest shops and you're already making it far too reliant on mechanised transport.

If you all lived in one area, that would free up every square foot of the rest of the land for food, mining, factories etc.

And don't build in the middle of a forest where it looks nice and where nature is all around you...go find a desolate, barren area that can develop with the help of you.

With everyones help, that area will soon begin to grow plants, trees and the like.. dig out an area for water to promote insects and birds and the rest should take care of itself.

There will be so much to do, day in day out, that the idea of money wont be needed.

As for government, you'll have to establish a system where every ones voice counts.

If 49% of a population vote for one party, and 51% vote the other, then 49% of a population have to live under rules and regulations they do not agree with. That is not fair. It shouldn't be about a 'party' it should be about ideas and what's best for everyone.

You've also got to take into account those who don't vote.. they might not agree with either party yet are still forced to live the ways of the ruling party.

If a new idea comes up then put it to the vote. Don't put a party/person to the vote who has an agenda or a vision as to what they see best for everyone else. Vote seperately on laws, ideas, new products, rules and regulations (if any).

This way, the people have the power, not one group of people sitting above everyone else.

Just a few ideas thrown in for all of you.. hope it helps you think more on what you'd really want from a free country.

Depends on where it is, I'm not trading one problem for another.
No Antarctica
No Typhoon/Tsunami belt
no sides of volcanoes
no earthquake zones
ANd not on a boat

If a new "free" country were to come along, the US would just claim its a terrorist threat and invade. The last thing the people running the show want is a truly free country.

Originally posted by me262
Depends on where it is, I'm not trading one problem for another.
No Antarctica
No Typhoon/Tsunami belt
no sides of volcanoes
no earthquake zones
ANd not on a boat

It's a shame we can't just get together a few million people, get the funds up and running, put a helluva lot of work into terraforming, and get off this rock.

Then we can begin to actually claim space for humankind, and the age of exploration will finally continue.

Originally posted by Alethia
What you say is not strictly true. If you look at the early history of the US, you will see that on many occasions, there were "competitions" where the pilgrims and new arrivals could literally ride out and stake a claim to land, and this is certainly the case when people started to move out west, they literally picked a place they liked and claimed it. And that is what is being theorized in this thread, basically this land called "Freedom" would be the early history of the US.

Ok. If you put it that way then I'm in. But when this land freedom gets to many people living in it I'm afraid it's gonna go the same way. America is young and diverse and has it's problems but changes can happen and revolutions can still take place. We're living by trial and learning from our mistakes. The land of " Freedom " sounds so good, but I was born an American and will die an American. Maybe my children will see this land called freedom.

I'd move to this place if the climate were to my liking, the cost of living were reasonable and there was suitable entertainment and whatnot. I don't think I'd like living in some desert in the middle of nowhere if the only upside was total freedom.

All i can say is that i'd be there faster than butter melts outside in the summer.

but you know, all this talk about wanting to move to a new free country doesn't have to stay just talk. if everyone wants to move or change so badly, then why don't people act?

we don't need to move to a new country, all we have to do is fix THIS one.

Thanks everyone for the fantastic response to moving or not moving to a country called Freedom and why.

Many of you have great ideas and remember you can always be choosy who will be let into Freedom, the country. Everyone will have to pull their own load or weight when it comes to making the country work or function properly. Undesirables would not be welcome into Freedom, the country, but the settlers would have to get together and come up with a definition what undesirable would be.

(Thomas Jefferson was brilliant here are some more Quotes from him.)

[Quote] Books constitute capital. A library book lasts as long as a house, for hundreds of years. It is not, then, an article of mere consumption but fairly of capital, and often in the case of professional men, setting out in life, it is their only capital.

[Quote] As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also.

[Quote] An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes.

[Quote] An injured friend is the bitterest of foes.

[Quote] Be polite to all, but intimate with few.


Rik Riley

And please give senators and governors term limits so they won't become corrupt. Eight year limit or maybe four.

[edit on 5/12/2008 by Solarskye]

It would depend on the state of the U.S. when the new country comes about!

Yes I would, AND sign up in the military to protect it.

Right now I'm a veteran, with a little pension coming, free healthcare that doesn't compare to universal healthcare, and am on Food Assistance ecause I only make $800 a month. I'm classed below the poverty level in the US, UK, Canada, AND 20 other civilized countries. As my grandpa would say, I'm too poor to pay attention.

So yes I would go.