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Topic started on 11-5-2008 @ 11:50 AM by rikriley

If such a New Free Country existed would you move and leave The United States Of America for that country if you could start all over in a country with no income tax and all the rights, freedoms suspended or taken away in the U.S. were given back to you in that new country?

You also would be given 100 acres of free land to help build and settle the country and the new country would have a similar Constitution as the U.S.

If such as place called (Freedom) existed and you were willing to relocate what would be your personal reason for leaving the U.S. and if not why not? Rik Riley

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 01:40 PM by Sleuth

I'd leave in a red-hot minute. Life in this country is completely phony and the people in control are corrupt. Time to start over.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 01:56 PM by Alethia

Yes, I would move to the new land. The US was founded on the idea that the way Europe was bing governed was no longer the right way (and primarily the split between the Catholics and Protestants and the way religious groups wielded such power). We wanted to break from a society that over 1,000 years had become corrupted and deviated from what was the established philosophy as stated in the Bible. Furthermore, the reliance on the banks was not deemed a good thing.

What has happened is that the constitution, like the bible and 10 commandments before it, has been circumnavigated, re-phrased, re-imagined, used against the good of the people and twisted so that, as a template for our society today, it is no longer relevant. Furthermore, the establishment of the Federal Reserve has been against the ideas of the founding fathers, and crippled this country. So, just like Europe, the US started out with good intentions, but greed and corruption have twisted it into a state that is no longer recognizable from the one it set out to be. Like Europe, there are those who need the country to function as it currently does, who directly benefit from the corruption, and who have the power to continue the status quo. We need a clean slate, and as those in Europe at the time knew, Europe was not going to change, so they had to go the "new world". And that is the case now, not just with the US, but most other countries too.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 02:08 PM by rikriley

Here are some very wise Quotes by Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd President of The United States of America. His term was from 1801-1809 and he drafted the Declaration of Independence when he was 33 years old.

[Quote] A wise and frugal government, which shall leave man free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned- this is the sum of good government.

[Quote] All tyranny needs to gain a foot hold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

[Quote] Banking establishments are more dangerous then standing armies and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale.

[Quote] Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.

[Quote] Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government.

[Quote] Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it.

[Quote] It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing, than to believe what is wrong.

[Quote] It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Rik Riley

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 02:32 PM by rikriley

reply to post by Alethia

Alethia, you have great wisdom and are right on target and if you will look at some of the Quotes by Thomas Jefferson you are on his side of his beliefs. Do we ever need a Thomas Jefferson today. Do you realize that some of the Quotes by Thomas Jefferson back then compared to some beliefs today in my opinion he would be considered that of a terrorist by our government standards.

More Quotes by Thomas Jefferson.

[Quote] Liberty is to the collective body, what health is to every individual body. Without health no pleasure can be tasted by man; without liberty, no happiness can be enjoyed by society.

[Quote] My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

[Quote] Never spend money before you have earned it.

[Quote] One man with courage is majority.

[Quote] Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

[Quote] That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.

Rik Riley

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 02:54 PM by rikriley

reply to post by Sleuth

Hi Sleith, there are many U.S. citizens that feel the same way you do. We must have strong leadership to correct our meandering ship and it takes the right Captain and Mates to steer that ship correctively.

More Quotes from Thomas Jefferson

[Quote] The care of human life and happiness and not destruction, is the first and only object of good government.

[Quote] The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

[Quote] The most successful war seldom pays for its losses.

[Quote] We did not raise armies for glory or for conquest.

Rik Riley

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 03:29 PM by Chakotay

I`m already packed, Rik. Where we goin` to ?

Moon? Mars? Undersea?

FREEDOM

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 04:35 PM by theendisnear69

I love the quote "never spend money before you have earned it".

That is the whole reason for America's economic crises. Everyone has credit cards, and they take out outrageous student loans, so they spend what they don't have then they never pay it back and are in debt the rest of their lives.

And yes I would most certainly go to this new country. I doubt it will come into being anytime soon though.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 04:55 PM by ThichHeaded

There is no sucf thing as being a free society...

This people who corrupt are like roaches and then we sit back and take it like a good "SNIP" slave.

There is/will, or are never going to be any kinda free society, we have been warned by men who know a lot and yet we rather see Britney Spears "SNIP"on tv or something than worry about real issues that effect us like the points in my sig or the no warrant search...

GO back to sleep America you government is in control......... of thinking of ways to "SNIP"you even more.

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Sorry for the rant, and if there was ever such a place I would leave yesterday.

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 05:01 PM by jimbo999

Originally posted by rikriley
If such a New Free Country existed would you move and leave The United States Of America for that country if you could start all over in a country with no income tax and all the rights, freedoms suspended or taken away in the U.S. were given back to you in that new country?

You also would be given 100 acres of free land to help build and settle the country and the new country would have a similar Constitution as the U.S.

If such as place called (Freedom) existed and you were willing to relocate what would be your personal reason for leaving the U.S. and if not why not? Rik Riley

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Sorry pal - but no such country

1. Has existed.

2. Will exist.

Period.

No country in the known world allows a citizen to pay NO taxes. Simple as that. Taxes pay for these things:

1. Roads.

2. Hostpitals.

2.Emergency services.

4. Police (yeah...I know.. a double-edged sword)

5. Welfare (I know some of you hate it...but would you rather have your house broken into 4 times a week, and people starving in the streets?)

6. general infrastructure. read: power, comms, food etc.)

You are talking about a fantasy country that simply does NOT EXIST.

J.

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 08:18 PM by rikriley

reply to post by jimbo999

Thats the point jimbo a country as I speak of does not exist, but if it did would you move to that country or stay in the U.S. either way and why? Most countries are taken and they are either corrupt, bankrupt, a dictatorship, communist, Monarch, socialist, Totalitarian or military rule. Yes there are democracies, republics, representative democracies and any kind of government you can think of and they all have their problems. There are no perfect governments because humans are involved instead of robots. LOL Rik Riley

(Thomas Jefferson Quotes)

[Quote] The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

[Quote] To compel a man to subsidize with taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

[Quote] When the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 08:20 PM by Anti-Tyrant

100 acres of land to myself?

*salivates*

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 08:35 PM by rikriley

reply to post by Chakotay

Well Chakotay I have not found the mythical place called Freedom, but I am still in search of the land either on Earth or off of this planet.

(More Quotes from Thomas Jefferson)

[Quote] A bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.

[Quote] When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

[Quote] Whenever a man has a cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct.

[Quote] When we get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt a Europe.

Rik Riley

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 08:56 PM by stikkinikki

What is this some kind of pie in the sky welfare program? How about this: you mess with my country and I will haunt you even after I am dead? Some will take the bait rikriley, but more will fight to topple tyrants that would seek to do us under.

Don't tread on me.

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 08:59 PM by rikriley

reply to post by Anti-Tyrant

Hi Anti, wouldn't it be nice to be given 100 acres of land. It is not necessarily the 100 acres that is great, but it is what you do with that 100 acres of land. Do you plant crops for yourself or do you sell the extra crops for a profit?

Do you turn the timber if there is timber into shelter or do you use it for shade. Do you sell the excess timber to your neighbor for his or her shelter? Do you divide the 100 acres and sell it in parcels and with those profits open a new business?

If your land has water do you share it or sell it to others who have not? If rich minerals are found on your 100 acres given to you along with the mineral rights would you sell or lease the land to the highest bidder? You may decide this is your hide away and please people leave me alone. In other words with the 100 acres comes much responsibility and decisions. Rik Riley

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:10 PM by rikriley

reply to post by stikkinikki

In reality since no place exists called Freedom the open discussion is in reality to make what we have better within our own country, and this is a thought provoking or what if session and not a haunting session. Read the great wisdom our 3rd President Of The United States Of America, Thomas Jefferson, shares with us almost 200 years ago and his wisdom still stands the test of time and his futuristic reasoning of yesterday and of today. Oh by the way stikkinikki, this is my country too. Almost forgot to tell you I have one free get out of haunting pass. Rik Riley

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reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:15 PM by ElectricUncleSam

Originally posted by rikriley
If such a New Free Country existed would you move and leave The United States Of America for that country if you could start all over in a country with no income tax and all the rights, freedoms suspended or taken away in the U.S. were given back to you in that new country?

You also would be given 100 acres of free land to help build and settle the country and the new country would have a similar Constitution as the U.S.

If such as place called (Freedom) existed and you were willing to relocate what would be your personal reason for leaving the U.S. and if not why not? Rik Riley

[edit on 11-5-2008 by rikriley]

I'd consider it, but then I might just consider hiding out in the US because chances are the NWO wouldn't allow a country called Freedom to even exist... Sorry, but sometimes I have to be realistic... If there was no threat of being attacked for having the freedom then yes, of course, who wouldn't?

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:28 PM by rikriley

reply to post by ElectricUncleSam

Electric I am curious do you really think you would be attacked by having Freedom? I have read the mentioning of the NWO a couple of times on this thread and how much fear do you have of the NWO and your freedoms? Rik Riley

reply posted on 11-5-2008 @ 09:33 PM by stikkinikki