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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 10:40 AM by eltom

I'm not much in that UFO-thingy and I'm trying to find a reasonable explanation. But it was strange enough to search the Web...

Then I found this forum.

In Frankfurt the objects were glowing in an orange. They seemed to be more square like in shape. I think the balloon option is reasonable, but then: Why were they moving so fast with the same distance between them?

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 10:46 AM by deadcatsrule

blueray,bluepowder,eltom,HaDeZz, allnew members with in the last week.My .02 they all know each other and are trying to hoax every one .It's been done befor.My apologies if I'm wrong,but I don't buy it....dc

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:00 AM by nablator

Originally posted by flice
reply to post by AztecSpiritual

Good point... that they form the exact shapes, even during the streaking would logically mean one of three things

A. The objects are syncronized in their path of travel almost down to a tie.

B. The reason is camerashaking which would naturally create the same shape no matter what we see.

C. A mix of both...

A is not always true, but it is mostly true, it seems.

The squiggly path is the result of the addition of two motions, camera shake + UFO motion. In some pictures it seems some UFOs, not all, are synchronized. In some pictures the motion blur from camera shake on small lights on the buildings does not match at all the shape of the UFO, which means they have a complex motion of their own IMO.

Both aspects (synch / no synch and complex path / straight path) are hard to prove and require more analysis. The addition of a constant speed motion to camera shaking should generate an elongated shape, not entirely different from the shape of the motion blur of non-moving lights on buildings. How different can it be? Well, that's the problem. As the shaking motion is not uniform in speed, the shape can be distorted quite a lot, even with a constant speed moving UFO. I don't know how to prove conclusively whether the UFOs are moving in a straight path at constant speed or not. Deconvolution (Richardson-Lucy algorithm) is not good enough because it does not take into account the change in speed. If someone has any idea how to do this, I'm all ears. See my previous post for the picture numbers that are especially useful.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:01 AM by MastaG

reply to post by deadcatsrule

I've been suspecting this aswell. I bet if the Mods do a quick IP check they'll find same IP range if not same IPs.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:04 AM by flice

reply to post by deadcatsrule

Yep... I didn't want to be the one to say that, so thanks

I wrote to a mod the minute I saw Hadezz post after Eltoms asking him to IP check those accounts. They should look very different given the different countries.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:12 AM by TeslaandLyne

Photo evidence might enlarge the area of brightness.

Seeing a bright object in the sky is noticed but not the blob of
light caught by a photo.

There may be a optical equation between the brightnes and the subtended
area to the eye or camera.

In any case sparky high voltage craft from Tesla coils tend to light up
in fast flight. Coming to a gathering stop must have kept
their motors running and kept up the bright sparks of static.

Any electrical disturbances noted?

Going slow and sitting in hover you might just get a dark blob or
a lucky bright spot in th sky.

It is amazing how you see no craft and just a bright light or dark blob.
Surrounded by static charges from the air, like Tesla made millions of
volts AC, normal light rays can't take the heat.

The international Tesla craft fliers must have went out for an evening
spin.

Thats a story of sorts, no reflections, balloons, far away fireworks,
fire balloons, flares, lens flares, orbs of ether spots, controlled ball
lighting experiments...

Truman thought it was aliens.
Any saucer UFO Tesla theory most likely derived from Bill Lyne's research.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:23 AM by Macrotus

Hmmm... I knew someone would butt in and say it has something to do with Tesla...

So they saw this event on the 10th which is purpotedly something that would change their lives but SOMEHOW forgot to even mention even a sentence of it it in ATS between the 10th and 12 of May, even when they've been lurking in here for weeks? What happened to these guys between the 10th and 12 of May?

Missing time?

I second the IP check. Check also if they were using popular proxy server addresses, IP addresses that points to VPN proxies and the like.

If they use proxies then it is likely the same person...

This thread is getting fishier and fishier.

[edit on 12-5-2008 by Macrotus]

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:24 AM by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by deadcatsrule
blueray,bluepowder,eltom,HaDeZz, allnew members with in the last week.My .02 they all know each other and are trying to hoax every one .It's been done befor.My apologies if I'm wrong,but I don't buy it....dc

What about the debunker's, when did they arrive at ATS?

If all the people who saw something in europe and germany
around the same time wanted to find out more might all happen
upon ATS to find out answers.

Google must put ATS in the list of UFO information.

There may be entrenched put down artists around ATS for postings
just like this.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:29 AM by bluepowder

reply to post by flice

ok, i can see why you think that. i assure you, however, that i'm in no way connected to nor do i personally know any of the other posters who had similar sightings. it's true i registered with this board just recently, so that might add some suspicion. don't really know what to do about that, though. if it helps, and if the other people agree to do the same, i would be willing to reveal my name and adress to one of the mods (trusting that said data won't get passed on to 3rd partys), to maybe verify in some sort of way that we are in now way whatsoever connected to each other. i feel very sorry for the OP that my adding to his thread seems to shed a different kind of light on things for some people. in any case, i'll follow this one closely and will be very much interested in how things develop.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:29 AM by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by Macrotus
Hmmm... I knew someone would butt in and say it has something to do with Tesla...

I second the IP check. This thread is getting fishier and fishier. Check also if they were using popular proxy server addresses, IP addresses that points to VPN proxies and the like.

If they use proxies then it is likely the same person...

Mr 87 how about learning about Tesla for a change and quite you IP
hoaxing scheme?

People ignorant of UFO should not know of IPs.

How DO YOU know a persons IP?

What is your IP may I ask?

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:31 AM by sarcastic

DSL is taking half an hour to download this file. It better be good!

I'll take some screen shots and mess with them colorwise and see if I can infer anything.

It's nice to have supposedly raw data to work with.

Back later with some preliminary judgments. But I'll say right off, I'm not a debunker.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:31 AM by flice

reply to post by TeslaandLyne

Well... to answer your question when the debunkers arrived, you can just check our reg date like we checked the date of the pro orb guys here...
And there's no harm what so ever in checking those IP adresses. If we're wrong someone gets a little offended but hopefully they'll be able to sleep tonight and get over it eventually.

Anyways, I don't consider myself a debunker, I just require strong evidence and rational deduction rather than sheer faith.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:34 AM by nablator

deadcatsrule, flice, MastaG: you could at least have had the decency to wait until the mods reply before posting your accusations. It's not a nice thing to do when someone takes the trouble to make 250 MB of RAW pictures available for scrutiny.

I know everything can be faked, but why bother? Hoaxers don't have the skills (nor a strong incentive) to create fake RAW pictures.

[edit on 2008-5-12 by nablator]

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:51 AM by flice

reply to post by nablator

hey hey... I never said that they were fake. I believe them to be very real.
But I got the feeling that the method used is the good old "the more that say it the more true it becomes."
The truth in this case being that it was "orbs" rather than anything else...
because the new arrivals all were going:
"yes I saw it.. it was not balloons"
"yes I saw it.. it was not balloons"

I never made any conclusions what it might be. I just gave facts.

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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 11:52 AM by SonicInfinity

Originally posted by nablator
deadcatsruke by flice, MastaG: you could at least have had the decency to wait until the mods reply before posting your accusations. It's not a nice thing to do when someone takes the trouble to make 250 MB of RAW pictures available for scrutiny.

I know everything can be faked, but why bother? Hoaxers don't have the skills (nor a strong incentive) to create fake RAW pictures.

Better safe than sorry, I'd say. I was also surprised at the amount of new users in this topic, but I didn't want to say anything because it seemed to be just a coincidence. Nevertheless, until it is proven by an admin whether they are or are not the same, we should just take the pictures for what they are.

Unfortunately, these pictures alone will not prove the existence of UFOs, but if we can find other people that took more pictures or video, that'd be good. Also, if we could get proof of a filing report from the police, that'd prove automatically that, whether they were UFOs or not, the topic creator's story is indeed accurate from his perspective.

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reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:02 PM by sarcastic

Linda Moulton Howe has recorded similar sightings

www.earthfiles.com...

So has Haime Mausson, from Mexico.

www.abovetopsecret.com... and

www.youtube.com... part 4

www.youtube.com... part 5

where Haime's presentation has been cut up into ten parts.

Fragmentation is the official policy of the media ::: fragmentation and dispersion.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:05 PM by MastaG

reply to post by nablator

My apologies, blueray, bluepowder, eltom, HaDeZz. No offense meant.
It's simply all too strange and unbelievable: the aperture times, no autofocus, 4 new members...

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:05 PM by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by flice
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

Well... to answer your question when the debunkers arrived, you can just check our reg date like we checked the date of the pro orb guys here...
And there's no harm what so ever in checking those IP adresses. If we're wrong someone gets a little offended but hopefully they'll be able to sleep tonight and get over it eventually.

Anyways, I don't consider myself a debunker, I just require strong evidence and rational deduction rather than sheer faith.

Yes, a good and understanding reply.

But to see on the other hand an anti Tesla remark when that theory
may be good as any other join in with a newbie investigation with
backing authority to find a persons IP.

Got to find out why.

I did like the ATS listing at one time of all the government IPs on ATS,
now that was an eye opener.
Lunch time browsing was one Air Force officers reason for being
on a satellite companies stock board. He is now a government adviser
on satellites. All this info given freely by him.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:12 PM by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by MastaG
reply to post by nablator

My apologies, blueray, bluepowder, eltom, HaDeZz. No offense meant.
It's simply all too strange and unbelievable: the aperture times, no autofocus, 4 new members...

Perhaps you see a great amount of eager involvement on specifics.
You have better retention of posts than I do.

That might go hand in hand with ATS postings.
All in the fun of the UFO on the web.

reply posted on 12-5-2008 @ 12:19 PM by blueray

you can use acd see to view the raw files.

i live in cologne, which army base are you stationed? (wiesbaden pheraps) (Did you see multiple orbs later or only that one?)

Sorry if I forgot to answer any further questions.

I am not even taking any more time to react to accusations that i registerd under multiple user names or that i faked the pictures.

Just one thing: I invite any sceptic to my house and he can speak to my neighbours and my friends that were there. I will even take a lie detector test. Just write me a private message and I will give you my adress.

As soon as the police have finished filing the report I can give you guys the report id.

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