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They're not waiting anymore. Take a look around. What freedoms do we have? When our own President tells us that the Constitution is nothing but "a goddamn piece of paper," how much clearer does it have to be before you actually listen?



They do, every single day. Think this guy got the message?


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What I am asking is why the game? It's not the money it's the power right? One would think that a power junkie that had the country by the gonads would come out openly and rub it in our faces just for the power trip.

reply to post by daddyroo45

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The game is up.

And they are laughing at us. Every single time Bush opens his mouth.

reply to post by ChadAndrewATS

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Not much needs to be said regarding personal attacks.




So here is a little US history.



We are currently under a "state of emergency" as declared by the President of THE UNITED STATES. Please note that I didn't say The United States there is a difference. Further more I have not even gone into the UCC and its relation to us and the Constitution.

Further more I did not say "abolished" I said "suspended".

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Not exactly, the Nazis judged in Nuremberg were not the common soldiers or policemen, they were the ones in positions of power over the soldiers and policemen.

And I do know that even if it is legal at a specific time it could be wrong, although I was only 11 years old when the Portuguese fascist regime was overthrown I know what it was like, people could be arrested any time of day or night without knowing why, it was only needed an anonymous tip to get in jail, etc.

But I also know that the common law enforcement officers were just common people that would ignore some of the more restrictive orders to help people that they understood had done nothing wrong.

That was the reason my grandmother was allowed to see my father when he was arrested on the suspicion of reading forbidden books.

So, we never should judge the people that are under under in the same way of the people that issue the orders.

one more little point to consider regarding the Constitution and the courts.



If only the people had listened to Thomas Jefferson when he warned us to not allow the judges and lawyers to run the country because they would drive it to ruin. So far they have done a good job of doing just that.

Just what part of the Constitution can we bring up in court that they will determine it...sadly no part. Why, because we were placed under the UCC by being bankrupt in 1933 then declared again in 1950. Of course if your looking in your history book to tell you that, sorry it doesn't. Do the research on what happens to a country once it declares bankruptcy. You wont like what you find.

Yep,

I keep saying this on all sorts of conspiracy threads. There is no NWO, no global conspiracy. There is a good 25% of the population who are greedy and/or arrogant and/or incompetant. They wish to keep what they have by whatever means. This gives the impression of a cover-up, world order etc etc. Nothing of the sort, rich and powerful people love to have incompetants running the show cos they can control them with fear!

So when the 75% with brains and a moral sense rise up those 25% shudder.

Those incompetant cops are being protected by a power hungry superiors who are petrified of what an investigation would uncover.....far far more than this one incident for sure.

Start with a petition calling for an independant investigation.

So does every thread that has anything to do with any sort of State action, in this case, the "no knock", turn into a circle jerk of demogogery filled with crazy and ill informed poison?
I feel like I am in a Klan meeting and instead of white hoods, they are wearing tin foil hats and carrying M-16's with hand grenades hanging off their belts.
Please tell me, anyone of you, what are "you" doing to save our Country from the rule of facists? Is this it? spewing stuff on threads that are populated by like minded thinkers? or are you just gonna wait until someone else does it for you? Have you filed a lawsuit? Have you contacted your Rep? Do you make any type of contribution to your Country? Just waiting for that planet X thing ehh?

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I have not, but people with far better resources than I, have already had their suits dismissed.



Yes, and received a form letter reply.



Yes. Every single day.

This is bullspit. Whatever happened to privacy. If some stranger comes and knocks down your door, you would probably call the police. If the police start knocking down doors because they feel like it then we lose our privacy. We wont be able to call the police because they will come and knock down your door whenever we have a problem. Once they take our privacy then they will start taking more things from us.

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Technically you are correct. However, there were thousands of Germans who were considred to be war criminals, for following orders. Regular policemen and soldiers alike.

What you have to understand is that even though what the Nazis did was horrible, many who carried out the orders truly believed they were doing the right thing. The same goes for the police today who see nothing wrong with what has happened in this case, with the man being shot in his bed. It is for "the greater good" supposedly. "If it wasn't for these drug dealers, innocent people wouldn't be killed" is their logic, instead of paying for their crimes as the triggermen who got it wrong. Not just the wrong house, but the wrong moral basis and ideology at this point.

EDIT to add: Part of my family came from Germany after the war. They too see the rise of fascism in this nation, as it was done before in Germany. They tend to focus on the differences between then and now, but they admit what they see when pressed.



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Hate to say it but if anyone decides to intrude into my home in the dead of night without first announcing themselves I am not going take the time to find out whether or not their police officers before I start shooting. I am a law abiding citizen who has the right to defend his home from anyone intruding cops or no.

Hey bro no one asked you to get onto this site if you don't like it don't read it.


I write my representatives all the time guess what I get the same reply every time "your concerns are noted" nothing ever seems to come of it.



I make contributions to my country each and every day who are you to imply that any of us do not?

NO not only no H*** NO Thomas Jefferson himself said "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

John Locke one of the architects of the constitution said this " whenever the Legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience ... [Power then] devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty, and, by the Establishment of a new Legislative (such as they shall think fit) provide for their own Safety and Security, which is the end for which they are in Society."

I am pretty sure that sums it up their is nothing I repeat NOTHING anti American about calling for revolution. their are also many relevant quotes about revolution by some of the other founding fathers but I thought these two were enough.

This is why, in my home, I have installed a heavy steel security door at the foot of my basement stairs that opens into the lower family/living room. ( actually a second home unto itself)
All the basement windows are glass blocked in. There is a fire axe and a heavy hammer to use to knock them out, in event of an emergency.
There are beds down there, a full bathroom, kitchenette, phones, TV, free standing wood stove w/wood, computer room, huge food pantry that is well stocked, and the laundry room. This is where I keep all my weapons as well.

When they come calling at 2-3 am, I will be down there with the door locked and bolted. And Armed to the teeth!

Some world we are now living in ain't it?

I am entertaining the idea, of cutting through one of the basement walls that is next to the garage. Digging out a narrow escape hall under the garage floor, reinforced with iron beams, and out under the footing. The exterior of the garage wall where it would come out, is heavily covered by 10ft. tall ornamental bushes and flowering shrubs. Perfect cover! A lot of mess though. Wife isn't for it! So ,I don't know! Makes sense to me...

knock knock, its the police, weve come to search your home for drugs.

*flushing toilet sound heard*

sure officers, come in.. no drugs here.


while i think the no knock policy is risky and dangerous for all, if its being implemented on drug labs or bikie / gang HQ's then its understandable.
knocking gives time to dispose of or hide drugs before they enter.

BUT the problem is within the information given and its validity/accuracy of it when put before a judge for a no knock warrant.

i would have no probs with a no-knock warrant *IF* there was a way to guarantee their source as correct.

the problems occur when someone gives/gets bad info, barges into some poor chaps home and ransacks the place after sending him off to hospital with holes in him, or worse - in a black plastic zipper bag

just trying to point out there is validity to both the "for" and "against" of no-knock warrants, *assuming* the information given is correct.

the problem is that they dont really do enough research BEFORE bashing down someones home. if they staked out the house or used some other surveilance first to assure themselves the info is correct then there would be no problem with an NK warrant as they would always have the right house, everytime.

but it seems in this instance and a few others ive read that they just get info, and go charging down there all armoured up and packing heat.

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Revolution is anti-american? How stupid can you be?
Your 'so great nation' came from a revolution, you fascist! Pardon my french but it is unbelievable how extremely idiotic most americans have become. The whole thing about democracy is that THE PEOPLE DECIDE. If the people are no longer allowed to have their rights, it is the DUTY of the people to revolt.
Damnit, in nazi-germany the people were staying 'within the system' and we have seen where that lead them.
Nobody is waiting for a second 'third reich' that is -again- sponsored by the Bush-family. Shooting cops is a patriotic thing, if the cops are just the mindless robots that execute fascist laws. You guys in america havent got the experience with the nazi-takeover that we have experienced in Europe. We KNOW what you guys are sliding towards.

YOU CANT BREAK A DICTATORSHIP FROM WITHIN WITHOUT REVOLUTION!

When most of your rights are takenn away and the policeforce is growing and there are camps being built all over the nation and beyond; you know you approach the need for a revolution. Not to revolt is unpatriotic and definitely unamerican.

Ever stop to think where the enormous amounts of meth in the States come from? Ever noticed that most drugs inb the USA are distributed by CIA and FBI operatives?
Ever stop to think about the social wrongs that make people revert to hard and unpleasant drugs? Ever thought about the fact that to take away peoples chance of living a good life makes them despair and turn to bad drugs? Ever stop to think that people have the right to decide for themselves what they have in the mind? that it is YOUR freedom to decide in which state you wish to be mentally.
What are the rights of a government to decide what drugs are good and which arent?
Why is the whole nation wired on cafeine and destructive addictive prescription drugs, and the naturally-occuring and inspiring psychedelics are outside the law? Why is there heroin and cocaine and crack allover the poor-areas of the states, methamphetamine on every street-corner, but natural things like Ma-huang (Ephedra) are illegal?
This is just again the repressive policy of a government that is, bit by bit, taking away the perspective of a free state.
How come people are now the property of the corporations? Wasnt the state the protector of the rights of people instead of the jailor and the dictator of the people; the fighting force of the corporations?
To never doubt or oppose a fascist government means that you are no longer a free-human and should be shunned by people who wish to be free. In Nazi-germany, there were countless unthinking obedient people like you who called the free people 'un-german'
Revolution is American. Resistance is American. Freedom used to be American, until the people became too impressed with the importance of their leaders that they forgot to understand that THEY are the leaders.

Trying to stop a necessary revolution is UNAMERICAN!!

I hate to say it, but welcome to the New World Order way of doing things. Yeah, our rights are being stomped in to the ground. This happens all over the place and more often than we are told about. And then it is unfortunate cause it often gets covered up or explained away. It has become a your are guility society and shot first and if your lucky you can't really ask questions later. Just sick!